The Ukraine Crisis

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:51 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 1:12 pm
Cry more.
I'm not crying. I'm skeptical but I do hope it works out. Not trusting or believing in him doesn't mean that I want him to fail.

Like I said earlier, if trump gets a long-term peace deal (and doesn't screw it up by invading Mexico or some other nonsense) then he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
Big risk politically for Trump, jumping into the middle of these two corrupt countries is something that could backfire on him

He doesn’t care about political risks, he really wants to broker a peace deal and he’s the only guy in the world that can get this one done. You sycophants that hate Trump better hope he is successful

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:39 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:51 pm

I'm not crying. I'm skeptical but I do hope it works out. Not trusting or believing in him doesn't mean that I want him to fail.

Like I said earlier, if trump gets a long-term peace deal (and doesn't screw it up by invading Mexico or some other nonsense) then he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
Big risk politically for Trump, jumping into the middle of these two corrupt countries is something that could backfire on him

He doesn’t care about political risks, he really wants to broker a peace deal and he’s the only guy in the world that can get this one done. You sycophants that hate Trump better hope he is successful

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I hope he can help broker a deal too…that’s amenable to both sides and secures a lasting security component for Ukraine and allows them to keep their land. It would also be nice to have the reported 20,000 kidnapped Ukrainian children to their homes.
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kalm wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:48 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:39 am

Big risk politically for Trump, jumping into the middle of these two corrupt countries is something that could backfire on him

He doesn’t care about political risks, he really wants to broker a peace deal and he’s the only guy in the world that can get this one done. You sycophants that hate Trump better hope he is successful

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I hope he can help broker a deal too…that’s amenable to both sides and secures a lasting security component for Ukraine and allows them to keep their land. It would also be nice to have the reported 20,000 kidnapped Ukrainian children to their homes.
A good leader needs boss like qualities or he too will drown in the rip current
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Reminder…

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A well written piece.
Russia faces two serious military dilemmas. One is its own inability to advance. In some technical sense, momentum is on Russia’s side, as it takes square miles of Ukrainian territory, but this momentum is going nowhere. For months, Russia has tried and failed to take the Ukrainian town of Pokrovsk. Its failure has been accompanied by enormous losses: an estimated 790,000 killed or injured since the beginning of the war (plus 48,000 missing), including more than 100,000 casualties this year alone. By the end of 2025, at this rate, Russia will have over a million casualties, and its strategic situation will not be any better than it was in 2022. Putin has no easy way to alter a trajectory that translates (if unaltered) into stalemate. Mostly war zones, the territories that Russia controls in Ukraine are of no material benefit to Russia.



Russia has ways to gain advantage in a long war of attrition. It could facilitate a U.S. withdrawal from the war, which would have a severe effect on Ukrainians’ morale, limit the day-to-day capabilities of the Ukrainian military and send a strong signal globally that Ukraine was unable to sustain its most important bi-lateral relationship. Were the United States to opt out, Russia could then try to pick off individual European states, pushing them either toward neutrality or toward active support for Russia in the war. By driving a wedge between the United States and Europe, Russia could do more than improve its position in Ukraine. It could move closer to its dream of a Russian sphere of influence in Europe and of a transatlantic alliance in utter disarray.

But Russia has mismanaged its diplomacy with the West. It squandered the opportunities presented by an avowedly pro-Russian Trump administration in February, March, and April, bombing its way past multiple cease-fires. This has pushed Trump toward Ukraine and Europe, and Moscow has found no way to separate Europe from Ukraine. Germany’s newly elected chancellor, Friedrich Merz, who has excellent relations with the United Kingdom, France, and Poland, is staunchly pro-Ukraine, and he has committed Germany to some half a trillion dollars in defense spending. Russian diplomacy cannot engineer a friendly or neutral West, not least because of the way Russia fights in Ukraine. Putin also prevents Russian diplomats from exploring the compromises that might save Russia from the wartime nightmare he has fashioned for his country.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/05/19/ru ... to-europe/
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About half of me believe this thing is gonna blow up meaning Trump is gonna learn that both of these psychos want to continue the war….
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Exactly but if it does succeed every member of the foreign envoy will get credit for its success but not Trump he will be minimized by the US media.

Headlines will read Zelensky and Macron make historical deal to stop war
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Bobcat wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:08 am Exactly but if it does succeed every member of the foreign envoy will get credit for its success but not Trump he will be minimized by the US media.

Headlines will read Zelensky and Macron make historical deal to stop war
Perhaps because he keeps saying stupid things.

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See what I mean, Trump is right and half the country says "But Trump" says stupid things derp derp derp and stuff
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Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm

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Waiting for the headlines from CNN

"Trump Fails to bring about peace in Ukraine Russian war"

There could have been peace but once again Zelensky and weak Europe don't really want it to end. It's the equivalent of 2 real men in a bar fight and the girlfriend of one of them tries to break it up and gets her boyfriends ass kicked because of it.
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There seems to be some confusion. Zalensky requires security guarantees (rightfully so) and several European countries are willing to commit troops and weapons but Putin seems to not be on board.

Zelenskyy gets promises of long-term U.S. support in White House talks with Trump
In a deal outlined today, Ukraine's ability to guarantee its security will rely on European troops sent into Ukraine, as well as European weapons and Europe's purchasing American weapons to be dispatched to Ukraine.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/zelen ... with-trump

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Not tracking the conversation very well. :?

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Who wants to tell him?

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kalm wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:28 am Who wants to tell him?

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:45 am
kalm wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:28 am Who wants to tell him?

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
trump is a bully and it helps to see things from his perspective. If a bully has to punch a kid because he wouldn't give him his lunch money, it's the kid's fault not the bully's. If Ukraine wouldn't give russia Donetsk and Luhansk when russia wanted them then it's Ukraine's fault that russia invaded to take them.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:50 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:45 am

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
trump is a bully and it helps to see things from his perspective. If a bully has to punch a kid because he wouldn't give him his lunch money, it's the kid's fault not the bully's. If Ukraine wouldn't give russia Donetsk and Luhansk when russia wanted them then it's Ukraine's fault that russia invaded to take them.
You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:50 am
trump is a bully and it helps to see things from his perspective. If a bully has to punch a kid because he wouldn't give him his lunch money, it's the kid's fault not the bully's. If Ukraine wouldn't give russia Donetsk and Luhansk when russia wanted them then it's Ukraine's fault that russia invaded to take them.
You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
It's probably something defending/deflecting for trump.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:45 am
kalm wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:28 am Who wants to tell him?

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
Biden was the biggest failure in US history its so embarrassing. Our country may never recover from his administration
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:50 am

trump is a bully and it helps to see things from his perspective. If a bully has to punch a kid because he wouldn't give him his lunch money, it's the kid's fault not the bully's. If Ukraine wouldn't give russia Donetsk and Luhansk when russia wanted them then it's Ukraine's fault that russia invaded to take them.
You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
I for one, would not be. Im probably thinking the same thing
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Bobcat wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:52 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:55 am

You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
I for one, would not be. Im probably thinking the same thing
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Bobcat wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:51 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:45 am

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
Biden was the biggest failure in US history its so embarrassing. Our country may never recover from his administration
He never got dogwalked by Putin in front of the whole entire planet. TWICE :ohno:


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Bobcat wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:52 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:55 am

You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
I for one, would not be. Im probably thinking the same thing
Don’t hold back. Both of you should put it on the table.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:45 am
kalm wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:28 am Who wants to tell him?

He’s telling you that Biden totally ignored it minus the unaccounted for billions of course
Say what? :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:28 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:55 am

You would be shocked if I posted what I’m thinking right now
It's probably something defending/deflecting for trump.
Why would that be shocking?
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