Trump 2.0: MAGAA

[GannonFan]

We say all of this, and the irony is, the chance that the Dems take back the House in 2026 is far greater, by several orders of magnitude, than it is that we don't have elections anymore. We will have elections this fall (local and state), we'll have federal elections next year, and we'll have a Presidential election in 2028. Kalm's thing about rigging election results is also baseless - we have 50 different states with 50 different elections. Half of those states are Democratic majority. We'll have issues here and there, but we've always had issues here and there. Despite our protestations to the contrary, voting and elections in this country have been somewhat messy since, well, forever. But they will still happen.

As for his attacks on freedoms - heck, I don't think his attacks on the press are any worse than the press being in lockstep with the previous administration. Our real issue with the press is journalistic integrity - hopefully we get that back sometime. How is freedom of assembly being threatened? Didn't we just have a nationwide "No Kings" protest that some on here were calling the biggest of all time? How can that happen if freedom of assembly is under threat? And the law firms can push back whenever theyt want - the ones that don't are just making business decisions, but those decisions can change with the wind and the next election.

Where we do have an issue is with the issue of due process and with a chaotic and unorganized attempt to curtail illegal immigration, and that's real and it's terrible for those involved, and even more so for the innocents that are caught up in it. That's where the attention should be and it's where Congress should be. We have a real problem with immigration and it's a problem that both parties have purposely avoided trying to solve because they like having it as an election issue every other year. The answer is clearly that we should have a pretty big, and a very legal way for people to immigrate into the US. Immigration helps us as a country and we're one of the main countries in the world where people do want to come. Once we have that, everything else is illegal and should be dealt with easily. Sure, we have to deal with the past 40 years of inadequate immigration policy, but we have to start somewhere.

Elections can be rigged in a variety of ways. Voter suppression, redistricting etc. As you acknowledged, “issues” occur every election and indeed it is messy. At what point do they become a more serious issue? What’s our tolerance for manipulation? Is the SAVE act no big deal or is it worthy of concern and legal challenge?

When we want to solve this issue with voting we can. We're one of the only industrialized nations out there that do not require voter ID to vote (let alone getting into mail in voting and voting being open for multiple weeks - most other countries do it in one day with in person voting). Europe almost entirely requires voter ID. It's funny when we can say other nations having national health care and us being the outlier means we need to change what we do, but when the same argument is used for voting we can't possibly fathom that we could do it better. The SAVE act is a step in the right direction, but as always with any voting measure, there are details that need to be worked out (married women with name changes for instance). Heck, we seem to be able to solve this for REAL ID's and for passports but with voting we just can't figure it out.

[GannonFan]

The biggest problem with immigration is not the policy. It’s ignoring the policy. Thank you Joe Biden.

30 years ago Bill Clinton was all about enforcing the border

Of course the policy is not gonna work when you have Democrats facilitating free stuff for the entire world and telling them the border is wide open

It goes both ways. We need to have significantly larger ways to legally immigrate into this country, and that's something the Republicans have generally been against for years. Heck, you have that group within Republicans now that even want to do away with birthplace citizenship. Yes, the borders need to be enforced - that's one of very many things the Biden administration flat out didn't get right. But the policies we have today do not account for the number of immigrants we should be legally welcoming into America. It's one of our best competitive advantages compared to other parts of the world - people want to come and live here. There's no line forming to get into China (not that they would take them, China's racism to others easily exceeds racism in America), there's no line forming to get into Russia. People do want to go and live in Europe, but America is the dream for most. Use that to our advantage. Allow more people in, but do it legally. That's the policy discussion we should be having, right after we have the border secure - which today, under Trump, it is. So let's move on to the policy discussion.

[UNI88]

The biggest problem with immigration is not the policy. It’s ignoring the policy. Thank you Joe Biden.

30 years ago Bill Clinton was all about enforcing the border

Of course the policy is not gonna work when you have Democrats facilitating free stuff for the entire world and telling them the border is wide open

It goes both ways. We need to have significantly larger ways to legally immigrate into this country, and that's something the Republicans have generally been against for years. Heck, you have that group within Republicans now that even want to do away with birthplace citizenship. Yes, the borders need to be enforced - that's one of very many things the Biden administration flat out didn't get right. But the policies we have today do not account for the number of immigrants we should be legally welcoming into America. It's one of our best competitive advantages compared to other parts of the world - people want to come and live here. There's no line forming to get into China (not that they would take them, China's racism to others easily exceeds racism in America), there's no line forming to get into Russia. People do want to go and live in Europe, but America is the dream for most. Use that to our advantage. Allow more people in, but do it legally. That's the policy discussion we should be having, right after we have the border secure - which today, under Trump, it is. So let's move on to the policy discussion.

[Bobcat]

It should be hard to get into the USA and I do not agree we need volumes of people. I've always been for legal immigration but lets not flood our country, we already have too many people for my liking. I might not ever go back to Illinois but even Alaska in the last 5 years has changed so much its no longer the place I moved to for solitude. Way too many people up here right now.

[BDKJMU]

Well, for question 1, of course he's a selfish narcissist - that's his defining feature and his guiding principle. With that said, all the "executive power he's establishing" isn't as broad as some would make it out to be. We just saw that a federal judge followed the playbook the SCOTUS laid out on how to still block, nationally, the birthright citizenship thing. Most of what the SCOTUS has allowed has mostly been on procedure and mostly on letting the lower courts do their review and rulings before it getting to SCOTUS. The argument from the majority on that principle of approaching the law was far more persuasive than Jackson's rant on not liking it.

And as for question #2, there is no way that there isn't an election in November of 2028 and a new President in January of 2029. Those things are going to happen and there's nothing Trump can do to stop that from happening. Sure, if there was even the slightest of chances it could happen that would be Republic endangering, but there's not even the slightest of chances. There's no overturning of the 12th and 22nd amendments in the next 3 years and no chance that SCOTUS does that behind the scenes either. The Republic will have an election in 2028, count on it.

Agree on 1.

I think there could be more to 2 then you do. Fomenting descent, sending the Marines to LA, etc. could be considered steps towards declaring an emergency so he can suspend posse comitatus. How will SCOTUS rule if he foments unrest to a boiling point?

I'm also concerned with his attacks on Constitutional principles that are a foundation for the freedom we enjoy - freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, due process, extortion/attacks on law firms, etc.

He is taking a wannabe banana republic dictator approach to governing. Hopefully you are right and our systems will withstand this assault but it is the greatest threat to our Republic that I can remember (I was too young to remember Nixon).

The FAKE NEWS lib MSM press deserves every bit of attacks they have received, and then some. I could give 100 examples like this of how you can’t hate the press enough.

Abrego Garcia the ‘Maryland Man’




Below were all reported by MSM as if were real:
-USC children being deported Hoax
-The "Bloodbath" Hoax
-National Abortion Ban Hoax
-Firing Squad At Liz Cheney Hoax
-Do What He Wants To Women Hoax
-Trump foubd guilty of rape Hoax
-Biden was mentally sharp Hoax.
-Jussie Smollett was a victim Hoax
-NASCAR “noose” Hoax
-Border agents whipped migrants Hoax
-ISIS leader was an austere religious scholar
-Covid shot prevented Covid
-Covid shot superior to natural immunity.
-Don’t Say Gay was in a Florida bill
-Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation
-2020 riots were mostly peaceful protests
-No big tech censorship of conservatives
-Suckers and losers hoax
-Kelly confirmed Trump said suckers and losers hoax.
-Very fine people hoax
-Drinking bleach hoax.
-Trump colluded with Russia
-Steele dossier was credible
-UVA rape Hoax
-Duke Lacrosse team “rape” hoax
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..

As far as freedoms of assembly, WTF are you talking about.

[BDKJMU]

Agree on 1.

I think there could be more to 2 then you do. Fomenting descent, sending the Marines to LA, etc. could be considered steps towards declaring an emergency so he can suspend posse comitatus. How will SCOTUS rule if he foments unrest to a boiling point?

I'm also concerned with his attacks on Constitutional principles that are a foundation for the freedom we enjoy - freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, due process, extortion/attacks on law firms, etc.

He is taking a wannabe banana republic dictator approach to governing. Hopefully you are right and our systems will withstand this assault but it is the greatest threat to our Republic that I can remember (I was too young to remember Nixon).

We say all of this, and the irony is, the chance that the Dems take back the House in 2026 is far greater, by several orders of magnitude, than it is that we don't have elections anymore. We will have elections this fall (local and state), we'll have federal elections next year, and we'll have a Presidential election in 2028. Kalm's thing about rigging election results is also baseless - we have 50 different states with 50 different elections. Half of those states are Democratic majority. We'll have issues here and there, but we've always had issues here and there. Despite our protestations to the contrary, voting and elections in this country have been somewhat messy since, well, forever. But they will still happen.

As for his attacks on freedoms - heck, I don't think his attacks on the press are any worse than the press being in lockstep with the previous administration. Our real issue with the press is journalistic integrity - hopefully we get that back sometime. How is freedom of assembly being threatened? Didn't we just have a nationwide "No Kings" protest that some on here were calling the biggest of all time? How can that happen if freedom of assembly is under threat? And the law firms can push back whenever theyt want - the ones that don't are just making business decisions, but those decisions can change with the wind and the next election.

Where we do have an issue is with the issue of due process and with a chaotic and unorganized attempt to curtail illegal immigration, and that's real and it's terrible for those involved, and even more so for the innocents that are caught up in it. That's where the attention should be and it's where Congress should be. We have a real problem with immigration and it's a problem that both parties have purposely avoided trying to solve because they like having it as an election issue every other year. The answer is clearly that we should have a pretty big, and a very legal way for people to immigrate into the US. Immigration helps us as a country and we're one of the main countries in the world where people do want to come. Once we have that, everything else is illegal and should be dealt with easily. Sure, we have to deal with the past 40 years of inadequate immigration policy, but we have to start somewhere.

Exactly.

[Caribbean Hen]

Agree on 1.

I think there could be more to 2 then you do. Fomenting descent, sending the Marines to LA, etc. could be considered steps towards declaring an emergency so he can suspend posse comitatus. How will SCOTUS rule if he foments unrest to a boiling point?

I'm also concerned with his attacks on Constitutional principles that are a foundation for the freedom we enjoy - freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, due process, extortion/attacks on law firms, etc.

He is taking a wannabe banana republic dictator approach to governing. Hopefully you are right and our systems will withstand this assault but it is the greatest threat to our Republic that I can remember (I was too young to remember Nixon).

The FAKE NEWS lib MSM press deserves every bit of attacks they have received, and then some. I could give 100 examples like this of how you can’t hate the press enough.

Abrego Garcia the ‘Maryland Man’




Below were all reported by MSM as if were real:
-USC children being deported Hoax
-The "Bloodbath" Hoax
-National Abortion Ban Hoax
-Firing Squad At Liz Cheney Hoax
-Do What He Wants To Women Hoax
-Trump foubd guilty of rape Hoax
-Biden was mentally sharp Hoax.
-Jussie Smollett was a victim Hoax
-NASCAR “noose” Hoax
-Border agents whipped migrants Hoax
-ISIS leader was an austere religious scholar
-Covid shot prevented Covid
-Covid shot superior to natural immunity.
-Don’t Say Gay was in a Florida bill
-Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation
-2020 riots were mostly peaceful protests
-No big tech censorship of conservatives
-Suckers and losers hoax
-Kelly confirmed Trump said suckers and losers hoax.
-Very fine people hoax
-Drinking bleach hoax.
-Trump colluded with Russia
-Steele dossier was credible
-UVA rape Hoax
-Duke Lacrosse team “rape” hoax
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..

As far as freedoms of assembly, WTF are you talking about.

But Fox News

It seems like the overwhelming majority of Americans have caught onto the media at this point however there are still silly people that believe the likes of the mother of TDS Rachel Maddow

My question has always been why has the media been so biased?

And why we’re only a few reporters asking questions about our basement dwelling evil clown president Joey the con Biden

[kalm]

Agree on 1.

I think there could be more to 2 then you do. Fomenting descent, sending the Marines to LA, etc. could be considered steps towards declaring an emergency so he can suspend posse comitatus. How will SCOTUS rule if he foments unrest to a boiling point?

I'm also concerned with his attacks on Constitutional principles that are a foundation for the freedom we enjoy - freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, due process, extortion/attacks on law firms, etc.

He is taking a wannabe banana republic dictator approach to governing. Hopefully you are right and our systems will withstand this assault but it is the greatest threat to our Republic that I can remember (I was too young to remember Nixon).

The FAKE NEWS lib MSM press deserves every bit of attacks they have received, and then some. I could give 100 examples like this of how you can’t hate the press enough.

Abrego Garcia the ‘Maryland Man’




Below were all reported by MSM as if were real:
-USC children being deported Hoax
-The "Bloodbath" Hoax
-National Abortion Ban Hoax
-Firing Squad At Liz Cheney Hoax
-Do What He Wants To Women Hoax
-Trump foubd guilty of rape Hoax
-Biden was mentally sharp Hoax.
-Jussie Smollett was a victim Hoax
-NASCAR “noose” Hoax
-Border agents whipped migrants Hoax
-ISIS leader was an austere religious scholar
-Covid shot prevented Covid
-Covid shot superior to natural immunity.
-Don’t Say Gay was in a Florida bill
-Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation
-2020 riots were mostly peaceful protests
-No big tech censorship of conservatives
-Suckers and losers hoax
-Kelly confirmed Trump said suckers and losers hoax.
-Very fine people hoax
-Drinking bleach hoax.
-Trump colluded with Russia
-Steele dossier was credible
-UVA rape Hoax
-Duke Lacrosse team “rape” hoax
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..

As far as freedoms of assembly, WTF are you talking about.

Good lord. Let’s criticize the msm by using libsoftiktok and endwokeness as sources?

As mentioned ad nauseum all sources get stories wrong including the corporate owned and often conservative leaning msm. This is like complaining that Democratic politicians lie…end of story.

And you can put “hoax” after as many stories as you’d like. That doesn’t mean they are hoaxes. There are many examples to work off of on that list.

[kalm]

The words of an innocent man, justified by many things.

[BDKJMU]

The FAKE NEWS lib MSM press deserves every bit of attacks they have received, and then some. I could give 100 examples like this of how you can’t hate the press enough.

Abrego Garcia the ‘Maryland Man’




Below were all reported by MSM as if were real:
-USC children being deported Hoax
-The "Bloodbath" Hoax
-National Abortion Ban Hoax
-Firing Squad At Liz Cheney Hoax
-Do What He Wants To Women Hoax
-Trump foubd guilty of rape Hoax
-Biden was mentally sharp Hoax.
-Jussie Smollett was a victim Hoax
-NASCAR “noose” Hoax
-Border agents whipped migrants Hoax
-ISIS leader was an austere religious scholar
-Covid shot prevented Covid
-Covid shot superior to natural immunity.
-Don’t Say Gay was in a Florida bill
-Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation
-2020 riots were mostly peaceful protests
-No big tech censorship of conservatives
-Suckers and losers hoax
-Kelly confirmed Trump said suckers and losers hoax.
-Very fine people hoax
-Drinking bleach hoax.
-Trump colluded with Russia
-Steele dossier was credible
-UVA rape Hoax
-Duke Lacrosse team “rape” hoax
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..

As far as freedoms of assembly, WTF are you talking about.

Good lord. Let’s criticize the msm by using libsoftiktok and endwokeness as sources?

As mentioned ad nauseum all sources get stories wrong including the corporate owned and often conservative leaning msm. This is like complaining that Democratic politicians lie…end of story.

And you can put “hoax” after as many stories as you’d like. That doesn’t mean they are hoaxes. There are many examples to work off of on that list.

Yet years of evidence of Biden’s mental decline that the MSM at best refused to cover, and at worst, covered up. IF the MSM was doing its job, we wouldn’t have had to go to LibsOfTikTok, End Wokeness, et al to see it. Mid 2000 until the gig was finally up mid 2024, that was the biggest hoax of all I listed, probably of our lifetimes, that the MSM has tried to pull on the American people. Now ask yourself why the MSM did that?

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

[Caribbean Hen]

Good lord. Let’s criticize the msm by using libsoftiktok and endwokeness as sources?

As mentioned ad nauseum all sources get stories wrong including the corporate owned and often conservative leaning msm. This is like complaining that Democratic politicians lie…end of story.

And you can put “hoax” after as many stories as you’d like. That doesn’t mean they are hoaxes. There are many examples to work off of on that list.

Yet years of evidence of Biden’s mental decline that the MSM at best refused to cover, and at worst, covered up. IF the MSM was doing its job, we wouldn’t have had to go to LibsOfTikTok, End Wokeness, et al to see it. Mid 2000 until the gig was finally up mid 2024, that was the biggest hoax of all I listed, probably of our lifetimes, that the MSM has tried to pull on the American people. Now ask yourself why the MSM did that?

Exactly!

I have asked, but certainly not expecting any answers from any of our crowds on demand type posters that seem to be paid for being on here to post dumb stuff

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

https://doge.gov/savings

[BDKJMU]

So much winning…

[BDKJMU]

lol Fake News lib TDS donk stupidity on full display. Year over year is 100% irrelevant. It’s since 1/20/25 that matters. Jennings is 100% correct.

[BDKJMU]

[kalm]

Good lord. Let’s criticize the msm by using libsoftiktok and endwokeness as sources?

As mentioned ad nauseum all sources get stories wrong including the corporate owned and often conservative leaning msm. This is like complaining that Democratic politicians lie…end of story.

And you can put “hoax” after as many stories as you’d like. That doesn’t mean they are hoaxes. There are many examples to work off of on that list.

Yet years of evidence of Biden’s mental decline that the MSM at best refused to cover, and at worst, covered up. IF the MSM was doing its job, we wouldn’t have had to go to LibsOfTikTok, End Wokeness, et al to see it. Mid 2000 until the gig was finally up mid 2024, that was the biggest hoax of all I listed, probably of our lifetimes, that the MSM has tried to pull on the American people. Now ask yourself why the MSM did that?

Because the msm has a corporatist agenda which protects the power elite.

[kalm]

Oh my gosh! A whole $33 million to develop indigenous agricultural projects, and conservation efforts which help to improve a sustainable environment and fair trade, keeping potential asylum seekers and immigrants in their own country?

Short sighted hypocrisy.

[BDKJMU]

Yet years of evidence of Biden’s mental decline that the MSM at best refused to cover, and at worst, covered up. IF the MSM was doing its job, we wouldn’t have had to go to LibsOfTikTok, End Wokeness, et al to see it. Mid 2000 until the gig was finally up mid 2024, that was the biggest hoax of all I listed, probably of our lifetimes, that the MSM has tried to pull on the American people. Now ask yourself why the MSM did that?

Because the msm has a corporatist agenda which protects lib democrats and doesn’t want to do anything that could help Trump.

FIFY

[kalm]

Because the msm has a corporatist agenda which protects lib democrats and doesn’t want to do anything that could help Trump.

FIFY

Oh wah. Cry me a fucking river. The msm protects both sides.

In an oligarchy like ours with legalized corruption in the form of political contributions, the establishment is the deep state. It shields wealth and corrupt power at the expense of the people.

[kalm]

Strange type of populism and ending government waste going on here. But hey! We cut $33 million in Guatemala!

[Caribbean Hen]

FIFY

Oh wah. Cry me a fucking river. The msm protects both sides.

In an oligarchy like ours with legalized corruption in the form of political contributions, the establishment is the deep state. It shields wealth and corrupt power at the expense of the people.

Yeah, you were crying a river when Musk was going after the corruption in our government like NGOs and USAID