Trump 2.0: MAGAA

[BDKJMU]

Yep. They deported back to El Salvador.
-illegal immigrant from El Salvador,
-member of a terrorist organization (MS-13)
-that immigration courts twice had prior ordered deported
The district court judge can pound sand.

The thing is, no one has proven, or even tried to show in court to prove it, that he's a member of MS-13. There's been zero evidence produced to even try to prove that. That's the thing that had to happen to supersede the withholding of removal order and make it allowable to send him back to El Salvador. The government is just wrong here and should be held accountable. Whether this guy in question is a good guy or not, the government should've followed the law and due process before shipping him off, and they didn't do that.

[kalm]

The thing is, no one has proven, or even tried to show in court to prove it, that he's a member of MS-13. There's been zero evidence produced to even try to prove that. That's the thing that had to happen to supersede the withholding of removal order and make it allowable to send him back to El Salvador. The government is just wrong here and should be held accountable. Whether this guy in question is a good guy or not, the government should've followed the law and due process before shipping him off, and they didn't do that.

You’re still not getting this.

[Caribbean Hen]

It’s disengenuous by your side to lump the people who have obeyed our laws, waited in line, came here legally, with those who have ignored our laws and come/remained here illegally.

And yes we have laws.
-You are suppose to request asylum in the 1st country you are eligible. For most of these folks that means NOT the US.
-If you want to claim asylum are suppose to do it at a POE, not after crossing the border illegally.
-The only right the asylum seekers has is the credible fear interview before an immigration officer (not a court/judge).
-If you‘re subject to expedited removal, you don‘t get a hearing.

Just because Biden let them in en masse doesn't mean they can‘t be removed en masse. Most Americans are for mass deportations of illegal immigrants, and this is a winning issue for Trump.

Blah blah blah. They still have a right to due process.

And whose side is ‘88’s side?

Why don’t you host a few dozen of these choir boys on your farm for a few years

[Baldy]

There are plenty of examples that have been highlighted by the media so I should just tell you to do your own research but you would likely use that as an excuse to believe they don't exist.

I've got a couple of things going on tonight and will try to respond later.

But I'm not going to limit my examples to legal immigrants being deported. The trump regime's disregard for due process and the Constitution applies to arrests and detentions as well as to people who are seeking legal asylum or here on student/work visas.

Here are some examples. They might not be angels but are they the “worst of the worst”? Should Americans feel threatened by their presence? Should they have an opportunity to contest the charges against them?

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez – US citizen arrested by Florida Highway Patrol and held for ICE

Suguru Onda - student visa revoked because he was “identified in criminal records check.

Juan Francisco Méndez – Guatemalan immigrant arrested without a warrant. Was not the man ICE officers were looking for. Has been in the country for two years with no criminal record, is undocumented and awaiting documentation that would solidify his asylum status.

“We hear the Trump administration say that they’re prioritizing convicted criminals. I’ll be the first to say I want criminals removed from the streets of New Bedford,” Mitchell told the Light. “But it should matter to everybody if these people are not criminals and they’re being detained because their identity is mistaken, that they are still adjudicating their immigration status and are waiting for a hearing.”

Merwil Gutiérrez, 19 y/o detained and deported by ICE despite him not being the person they were looking for.

"The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway,'" Wilmer told Documented, "an independent, nonprofit newsroom dedicated to reporting for immigrant communities in New York City."

Mahmoud Khalil

Mohsen Mahdawi

Rumeysa Ozturk – Tufts student arrested and detained because she wrote an op-ed calling for Tufts to divest from Israel over the war in Gaza.

Kseniia Petrova, a Russian scientist working at Harvard Medical School. She screwed up by failing to declare frog embryos upon returning to Boston from France but should she face deportation to Russia, where she would likely face immediate arrest over her opposition to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?

Doğukan Günaydin – is a DUI enough justification to revoke his visa and detain him?

Protesting in support of Palestinians by itself is NOT proof of antisemitism and support for hamas. Trying to make it so is a chilling attack on free speech.

So that'd be zero.

You do realize that detention and deportation are two wildly different things?

[Baldy]

Enough of the strawmen.

Please, name one legal immigrant whose been deported. Name one who has been deported who doesn't have a removal order already in place.

I'll be waiting.

SCOTUS and every constitutional scholar in the country disagrees with you.

Except for Pam Bondi.

So you can't name one either...

[kalm]

SCOTUS and every constitutional scholar in the country disagrees with you.

Except for Pam Bondi.

So you can't name one either...

Oh. You were serious?

Merwil Gutiérrez - Applied for asylum. ICE has admitted they detained the wrong person.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia - another admitted mistake or “administrative errror.

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez - thankfully not deported but arrested and jailed overnight. He is a U.S. citizen who was born in Georgia.

Trump publicly stated he’s in favor of deporting legal citizens.

Regardless, due process is a right to non-citizens regardless of their immigration status. It’s one of the cornerstones of our entire constitution - the part you guys seem to be struggling with.

Christ, our founders were non-citizens.

[Caribbean Hen]

So you can't name one either...

Oh. You were serious?

Merwil Gutiérrez - Applied for asylum. ICE has admitted they detained the wrong person.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia - another admitted mistake or “administrative errror.

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez - thankfully not deported but arrested and jailed overnight. He is a U.S. citizen who was born in Georgia.

Trump publicly stated he’s in favor of deporting legal citizens.

Regardless, due process is a right to non-citizens regardless of their immigration status. It’s one of the cornerstones of our entire constitution - the part you guys seem to be struggling with.

Christ, our founders were non-citizens.

how much due process did legit US citizens get from the past pathetic administration known as JoBozo Bidens bad news bears? They orchestrated illegal flights bringing thousands of foreigners into this country and I won't even mention leaving the door open on the border

They settled them all over the place with a focus on winning future elections

and now the idiot Dems, who just got routed in the 24 elections are doubling down on their losing strategy by making a hero out of a gangbanger MS13 wife beating thug pretending to be concerned about the constitution.

hope that punk rots in El Salvador

[kalm]

Oh. You were serious?

Merwil Gutiérrez - Applied for asylum. ICE has admitted they detained the wrong person.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia - another admitted mistake or “administrative errror.

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez - thankfully not deported but arrested and jailed overnight. He is a U.S. citizen who was born in Georgia.

Trump publicly stated he’s in favor of deporting legal citizens.

Regardless, due process is a right to non-citizens regardless of their immigration status. It’s one of the cornerstones of our entire constitution - the part you guys seem to be struggling with.

Christ, our founders were non-citizens.

how much due process did legit US citizens get from the past pathetic administration known as JoBozo Bidens bad news bears? They orchestrated illegal flights bringing thousands of foreigners into this country and I won't even mention leaving the door open on the border

They settled them all over the place with a focus on winning future elections

and now the idiot Dems, who just got routed in the 24 elections are doubling down on their losing strategy by making a hero out of a gangbanger MS13 wife beating thug pretending to be concerned about the constitution.

hope that punk rots in El Salvador

Your ignorance and gullibility slip is showing.

[UNI88]

Here are some examples. They might not be angels but are they the “worst of the worst”? Should Americans feel threatened by their presence? Should they have an opportunity to contest the charges against them?

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez – US citizen arrested by Florida Highway Patrol and held for ICE

Suguru Onda - student visa revoked because he was “identified in criminal records check.

Juan Francisco Méndez – Guatemalan immigrant arrested without a warrant. Was not the man ICE officers were looking for. Has been in the country for two years with no criminal record, is undocumented and awaiting documentation that would solidify his asylum status.

Merwil Gutiérrez, 19 y/o detained and deported by ICE despite him not being the person they were looking for.

Mahmoud Khalil

Mohsen Mahdawi

Rumeysa Ozturk – Tufts student arrested and detained because she wrote an op-ed calling for Tufts to divest from Israel over the war in Gaza.

Kseniia Petrova, a Russian scientist working at Harvard Medical School. She screwed up by failing to declare frog embryos upon returning to Boston from France but should she face deportation to Russia, where she would likely face immediate arrest over her opposition to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?

Doğukan Günaydin – is a DUI enough justification to revoke his visa and detain him?

Protesting in support of Palestinians by itself is NOT proof of antisemitism and support for hamas. Trying to make it so is a chilling attack on free speech.

So that'd be zero.

You do realize that detention and deportation are two wildly different things?

You do realize that I said before I provided some examples that I wasn't going to play your game of limiting the debate to deportations. If that's the game you want to play then you can play with yourself.

But I'm not going to limit my examples to legal immigrants being deported. The trump regime's disregard for due process and the Constitution applies to arrests and detentions as well as to people who are seeking legal asylum or here on student/work visas.

[Caribbean Hen]

how much due process did legit US citizens get from the past pathetic administration known as JoBozo Bidens bad news bears? They orchestrated illegal flights bringing thousands of foreigners into this country and I won't even mention leaving the door open on the border

They settled them all over the place with a focus on winning future elections

and now the idiot Dems, who just got routed in the 24 elections are doubling down on their losing strategy by making a hero out of a gangbanger MS13 wife beating thug pretending to be concerned about the constitution.

hope that punk rots in El Salvador

Your ignorance and gullibility slip is showing.

oh mercy me, somebody disagreed with Klam and his bad takes

[UNI88]

Immigration is currently a winning issue for trump but that could very well change if he pushes it too far with jackbooted arrests, detentions, and deportments of otherwise peaceful and hardworking immigrants and students.

My side is the side that believes in freedom for all, respects the Constitution in its entirety, and believes in America! The other side believes in freedom as they define it, respects the Constitution when it's convenient and believes that what trump wants is more important than America.

No immigrants are being deported, only illegals. The focus is on the felons, but collateral that gets caught in the same net doesn‘t get cut loose to stay, as they have no right to be here.

Your side on this issue is the TDS left. Trump is on the side of the Constitution and 70% of the electorate.

Illegal immigrants are immigrants.

Whatever percentage of the electorate is MAQA yahoo is on trump's side on this. The swing voters are good with sending illegal immigrants home. Will they be they good with sending people whose only crime is coming to the USA for a better life to a 3rd world prison? Will they be good with denying them the opportunity make the case for why they should be allowed to stay? Will they be good with trump using the AEA to send people with tenuous to nonexistent gang ties to a 3rd world prison? WIll they be good with denying the free speech rights of students who protested for Palestinian rights? Will they be good with the trump regime thumbing their nose at the judiciary?

If they're good with using the immigration crisis as justification for denying due process to illegal immigrants what's to say they won't be good with using school shootings to deny 2nd amendment rights to gun owners?

trump needs immigration to be front and center in people's minds because the rest of his administration has been an abject disaster. He's singlehandedly destroyed trillions in American investments and retirement savings. Will his legacy end up being more like Buchanan's or Hoover's?

[UNI88]

The thing is, no one has proven, or even tried to show in court to prove it, that he's a member of MS-13. There's been zero evidence produced to even try to prove that. That's the thing that had to happen to supersede the withholding of removal order and make it allowable to send him back to El Salvador. The government is just wrong here and should be held accountable. Whether this guy in question is a good guy or not, the government should've followed the law and due process before shipping him off, and they didn't do that.

I'm not seeing those tattoos on his left hand in this photo with Senator Van Hollen.


Are trump, ngo, etc. spreading more FAKE NEWS?

When will they do something about hegseth's gang tattoos?

[kalm]

Prepare to house mom and dad at your place and provide around the clock care giving. Good luck keeping your job while you do it.

[DSUrocks07]

Van Hollen just wanted to travel to El Salvador on the taxpayers dime.

I wonder how much this little excursion cost?

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[DSUrocks07]

I'm not seeing those tattoos on his left hand in this photo with Senator Van Hollen.


Are trump, ngo, etc. spreading more FAKE NEWS?

When will they do something about hegseth's gang tattoos?

It's definitely the look of a man suffering in an El Savadorian prison camp. This is the modern-day Auschwitz, right?

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[UNI88]

Van Hollen just wanted to travel to El Salvador on the taxpayers dime.

I wonder how much this little excursion cost?

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Probably less than 1 of trump's many golf trips.

When is doge going to take a hard look at presidential leisure travel costs.

[kalm]

Van Hollen just wanted to travel to El Salvador on the taxpayers dime.

I wonder how much this little excursion cost?

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Probably less than 1 of trump's many golf trips.

When is doge going to take a hard look at presidential leisure travel costs.

Are his courses still charging the Secret Service for criminal amounts of golf car rentals?

It’s a win-win.

[UNI88]

Probably less than 1 of trump's many golf trips.

When is doge going to take a hard look at presidential leisure travel costs.

Are his courses still charging the Secret Service for criminal amounts of golf car rentals?

It’s a win-win.

And rack rates to stay at trump resorts.

[SeattleGriz]

Are his courses still charging the Secret Service for criminal amounts of golf car rentals?

It’s a win-win.

And rack rates to stay at trump resorts.

Can you give us some sort of "proof" of this egregious gouging of the same government you defended for not being able to tell anyone of the five things they accomplished the previous week.

[UNI88]

I'm not seeing those tattoos on his left hand in this photo with Senator Van Hollen.


Are trump, ngo, etc. spreading more FAKE NEWS?

When will they do something about hegseth's gang tattoos?

It's definitely the look of a man suffering in an El Savadorian prison camp. This is the modern-day Auschwitz, right?

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Do you really think that president bukkake didn't instruct prison guards to get him a shower and clean clothes before a photo opp with a US Senator?

[UNI88]

And rack rates to stay at trump resorts.

Can you give us some sort of "proof" of this egregious gouging of the same government you defended for not being able to tell anyone of the five things they accomplished the previous week.

Do your own research you lazy slug. Just google "does the secret service pay rack rates at trump properties" and you'll get a bunch of articles that you will proceed to dismiss by attacking the source rather than addressing the data.

Are all Boeing employees as lazy as MAQA yahoos claim government workers are?

[SeattleGriz]

Can you give us some sort of "proof" of this egregious gouging of the same government you defended for not being able to tell anyone of the five things they accomplished the previous week.

Do your own research you lazy slug. Just google "does the secret service pay rack rates at trump properties" and you'll get a bunch of articles that you will proceed to dismiss by attacking the source rather than addressing the data.

Are all Boeing employees as lazy as MAQA yahoos claim government workers are?

So you are gubmint.

You think Trump filling out the forms to charge the government the standard rate for rooms is proof of grift?

I do not think you understand that word.

[UNI88]

Do your own research you lazy slug. Just google "does the secret service pay rack rates at trump properties" and you'll get a bunch of articles that you will proceed to dismiss by attacking the source rather than addressing the data.

Are all Boeing employees as lazy as MAQA yahoos claim government workers are?

So you are gubmint.

You think Trump filling out the forms to charge the government the standard rate for rooms is proof of grift?

I do not think you understand that word.

No, I'm not government.

Who pays rack rates? The government negotiates rates with a variety of properties. The Secret Service and other government employees should never pay more then the government rate.

You looked at the search parameters I provided and jumped to conclusions rather than doing the search and actually reading something. Thank you for proving that you are a lazy slug.

Trump charged Secret Service ‘exorbitant’ rates at his hotels, records show

Former president Donald Trump’s company charged the Secret Service as much as five times more than the government rate for agents to stay overnight at Trump hotels while protecting him and his family, according to expense records newly obtained by Congress.

The records show that in 40 cases the Trump Organization billed the Secret Service far higher amounts than the approved government rate — in one case charging agents $1,185 a night to stay at the Trump International Hotel in D.C. The new billing documents, according to a congressional committee’s review, show that U.S. taxpayers paid the president’s company at least $1.4 million for Secret Service agents’ stays at Trump properties for his and his family’s protection.

Now it's your turn to attempt to deflect attention by disparaging the source rather than addressing the actual information.

[SeattleGriz]

So you are gubmint.

You think Trump filling out the forms to charge the government the standard rate for rooms is proof of grift?

I do not think you understand that word.

No, I'm not government.

Who pays rack rates? The government negotiates rates with a variety of properties. The Secret Service and other government employees should never pay more then the government rate.

You looked at the search parameters I provided and jumped to conclusions rather than doing the search and actually reading something. Thank you for proving that you are a lazy slug.

Trump charged Secret Service ‘exorbitant’ rates at his hotels, records show

Former president Donald Trump’s company charged the Secret Service as much as five times more than the government rate for agents to stay overnight at Trump hotels while protecting him and his family, according to expense records newly obtained by Congress.

The records show that in 40 cases the Trump Organization billed the Secret Service far higher amounts than the approved government rate — in one case charging agents $1,185 a night to stay at the Trump International Hotel in D.C. The new billing documents, according to a congressional committee’s review, show that U.S. taxpayers paid the president’s company at least $1.4 million for Secret Service agents’ stays at Trump properties for his and his family’s protection.

Now it's your turn to attempt to deflect attention by disparaging the source rather than addressing the actual information.

First, this has been put to rest by those officials tasked with investigating this, and secondly, what were the rooms like they stayed in? Who gives a shit about rack rate, when there are thousands upon thousands of rooms above that rate. You don't think that rate is surpassed when needed?

Why should Trump lower his prices to "rack rate" when he doesn't have to? Who else charged above that rate?

We need facts junior. Not some dipshit stance that can't be defended.

[kalm]

And rack rates to stay at trump resorts.

Can you give us some sort of "proof" of this egregious gouging of the same government you defended for not being able to tell anyone of the five things they accomplished the previous week.

Hey idget. There were news stories about this when it was first discovered back in term 1. I posted about it then, because let’s say I know a little about golf car fleet management, pricing, bringing in additional rental carts from an outside vendor.

And no I won’t help you out a second time. Research it yourself and I’ll help you with the math.