Didn't you read the thread, screaming eag's point was, this was Jones' first game as a running back & he did very well... Pay attention fudge-packer.packerbacker wrote:
Your "guy" really didn't do all that much if you take out his one big run. It seems that the CSUS and the UM guys seem to be a little more consistent.
First off, welcome to CS.packerbacker wrote:First off, this is not a bad football message board you all have here.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Jones-EWU: 122 yds on 12 carries, 2 TDs, long of 87, 10.2 yds avg.
Dailey-CSUS: 101 yds on 19 carries, 0 TDs, long of 14, 5.3 yds avg.
Reynolds-UM: 100 yds on 18 carries, 1 TD, long of 20, 5.6 yds avg.
Smith-WSU: 97 yds on 14 carries, 0 TDs, long of 49, 6.9 yds avg.
My point. Usually one takes the long and short run and tosses them out, it just gets rid of the anomoles.
EWU: 3.18ypc down from 10.2ypc
CSUS: 4.83ypc down from 5.3ypc
UM: 4.70ypc down from 5.6ypc
WSU: 3.69ypc down from 6.9ypc
Your "guy" really didn't do all that much if you take out his one big run. It seems that the CSUS and the UM guys seem to be a little more consistant.
I think you're misreading what's being said. I can't argue with you that the long run is part of the game, no doubt that it is a game changer and he has serious ability (even if it was against a d2) there were most likely a lot of guys that he had to beat to make that play. What is being said is that if you take out the anomaly runs then you have something to look at as his ability to get you first down in a 3rd down situation and get you to some maneageable 3rd downs in the first place. At this point (too soon to tell) he is not normally getting you 10 yds./carry, he is more likely to get you much less than that (somewhere in the 3 yds./carry range) due to what he has done so far. I think as a coach you are going to want to know how he performs when you take away the "got lucky" or "got unlucky" type of factors. The fact that it was the first play of the game also gives a little indication that the other team got caught off guard a little bit by a guy they had never seen before. I think that's worth looking at more than a yards/carry avg. that has only a few carries.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:First off, welcome to CS.packerbacker wrote:
First off, this is not a bad football message board you all have here.
My point. Usually one takes the long and short run and tosses them out, it just gets rid of the anomoles.
EWU: 3.18ypc down from 10.2ypc
CSUS: 4.83ypc down from 5.3ypc
UM: 4.70ypc down from 5.6ypc
WSU: 3.69ypc down from 6.9ypc
Your "guy" really didn't do all that much if you take out his one big run. It seems that the CSUS and the UM guys seem to be a little more consistant.
Second, I understand your thinking, but that's only relevant to the average yards per carry. What matters is what the player does, throughout the entire game. Big plays are a part of that; granted it was against a D-II defense, but anytime your runningback (especially one without any experience at the position at that level) busts a 50, 60, or heaven forbid an 87 yard run for a TD... it's a game-changing play. It's fucking moronic to think that such a play, coupled with his other runs and TD "didn't do all that much."
For FSM's sake, give the kid a chance to play more than one game in college at HB to see what he can do before belittling his overall talent and effectiveness as a runningback. If after 3 or 4 games he still averages 3 yards per carry, then I'll reason to believe he's just an average running back.
I understand all that, hence why he needs to play a couple more games, especially against FCS competition before that evaluation can be made.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:I think you're misreading what's being said. I can't argue with you that the long run is part of the game, no doubt that it is a game changer and he has serious ability (even if it was against a d2) there were most likely a lot of guys that he had to beat to make that play. What is being said is that if you take out the anomaly runs then you have something to look at as his ability to get you first down in a 3rd down situation and get you to some maneageable 3rd downs in the first place. At this point (too soon to tell) he is not normally getting you 10 yds./carry, he is more likely to get you much less than that (somewhere in the 3 yds./carry range) due to what he has done so far. I think as a coach you are going to want to know how he performs when you take away the "got lucky" or "got unlucky" type of factors. The fact that it was the first play of the game also gives a little indication that the other team got caught off guard a little bit by a guy they had never seen before. I think that's worth looking at more than a yards/carry avg. that has only a few carries.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
First off, welcome to CS.
Second, I understand your thinking, but that's only relevant to the average yards per carry. What matters is what the player does, throughout the entire game. Big plays are a part of that; granted it was against a D-II defense, but anytime your runningback (especially one without any experience at the position at that level) busts a 50, 60, or heaven forbid an 87 yard run for a TD... it's a game-changing play. It's fucking moronic to think that such a play, coupled with his other runs and TD "didn't do all that much."
For FSM's sake, give the kid a chance to play more than one game in college at HB to see what he can do before belittling his overall talent and effectiveness as a runningback. If after 3 or 4 games he still averages 3 yards per carry, then I'll reason to believe he's just an average running back.
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: I think you're misreading what's being said. I can't argue with you that the long run is part of the game, no doubt that it is a game changer and he has serious ability (even if it was against a d2) there were most likely a lot of guys that he had to beat to make that play. What is being said is that if you take out the anomaly runs then you have something to look at as his ability to get you first down in a 3rd down situation and get you to some maneageable 3rd downs in the first place. At this point (too soon to tell) he is not normally getting you 10 yds./carry, he is more likely to get you much less than that (somewhere in the 3 yds./carry range) due to what he has done so far. I think as a coach you are going to want to know how he performs when you take away the "got lucky" or "got unlucky" type of factors. The fact that it was the first play of the game also gives a little indication that the other team got caught off guard a little bit by a guy they had never seen before. I think that's worth looking at more than a yards/carry avg. that has only a few carries.
No, of course not. I'm not trying to take it away from anyone or disparage the performance. I'm just sayin' that what you can normally count on a guy for is more accurately displayed when you take out the best/worst and so forth. As has been said already by SE174 it is very early in the guys career so it's tough to tell but he had a very dynamic run, but the 10.2 is skewed way upward with that one run. He may very well be the kind of guy that can get those 3rd down conversions but it's tough to tell at this point. The fact that he hasn't played a lot probably has a lot to do with the short gainers as well because I assume he may have been dancing around instead of heading N-S but I didn't get to watch him so I don't know for sure. Once he gets that part of his game figured out he'll be even more dangerous.BlackFalkin wrote:Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: I think you're misreading what's being said. I can't argue with you that the long run is part of the game, no doubt that it is a game changer and he has serious ability (even if it was against a d2) there were most likely a lot of guys that he had to beat to make that play. What is being said is that if you take out the anomaly runs then you have something to look at as his ability to get you first down in a 3rd down situation and get you to some maneageable 3rd downs in the first place. At this point (too soon to tell) he is not normally getting you 10 yds./carry, he is more likely to get you much less than that (somewhere in the 3 yds./carry range) due to what he has done so far. I think as a coach you are going to want to know how he performs when you take away the "got lucky" or "got unlucky" type of factors. The fact that it was the first play of the game also gives a little indication that the other team got caught off guard a little bit by a guy they had never seen before. I think that's worth looking at more than a yards/carry avg. that has only a few carries.
Ursus, you have a good point, however. normally Rb's have about 4 plays where they gain less than 1 yard in every game. then, if its a good back, he will have a few plays over 7 yards, and probably 1 BIG gain. ex 25 yards or so...
having said that, is it REALLY a fair assesment to take away his best and worst to get the "average"? after all hes going to have about 4 or 5 "worst" plays.
Well maybe you shouldn't be the one touting that 'your guy' is all 10 ypc every play. I did not belittle him. I just pointed out that if some guy breaks a big run and gets stuffed on the next 8 plays, his ypc will still be inflated.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:First off, welcome to CS.packerbacker wrote:
First off, this is not a bad football message board you all have here.
My point. Usually one takes the long and short run and tosses them out, it just gets rid of the anomoles.
EWU: 3.18ypc down from 10.2ypc
CSUS: 4.83ypc down from 5.3ypc
UM: 4.70ypc down from 5.6ypc
WSU: 3.69ypc down from 6.9ypc
Your "guy" really didn't do all that much if you take out his one big run. It seems that the CSUS and the UM guys seem to be a little more consistant.
Second, I understand your thinking, but that's only relevant to the average yards per carry. What matters is what the player does, throughout the entire game. Big plays are a part of that; granted it was against a D-II defense, but anytime your runningback (especially one without any experience at the position at that level) busts a 50, 60, or heaven forbid an 87 yard run for a TD... it's a game-changing play. It's **** moronic to think that such a play, coupled with his other runs and TD "didn't do all that much."
For FSM's sake, give the kid a chance to play more than one game in college at HB to see what he can do before belittling his overall talent and effectiveness as a runningback. If after 3 or 4 games he still averages 3 yards per carry, then I'll reason to believe he's just an average running back.
Way to misinterpret plain text. I never said that he gets 10ypc every play you fuckin' moron. Yes, that was his average for the game, and yes it's inflated due to the big run. All I said was that this kid has some serious talent and potential, evidenced by his performance in that game. Even against lesser competition 87 yard runs for TD's aren't an easy task.packerbacker wrote:
Well maybe you shouldn't be the one touting that 'your guy' is all 10 ypc every play. I did not belittle him. I just pointed out that if some guy breaks a big run and gets stuffed on the next 8 plays, his ypc will still be inflated.
It is a message board. Relax.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:Way to misinterpret plain text. I never said that he gets 10ypc every play you ****' moron. Yes, that was his average for the game, and yes it's inflated due to the big run. All I said was that this kid has some serious talent and potential, evidenced by his performance in that game. Even against lesser competition 87 yard runs for TD's aren't an easy task.packerbacker wrote:
Well maybe you shouldn't be the one touting that 'your guy' is all 10 ypc every play. I did not belittle him. I just pointed out that if some guy breaks a big run and gets stuffed on the next 8 plays, his ypc will still be inflated.
Who are you a fan of anyway? Do you even affiliate yourself with an FCS team, or do you just have a hard-on for the Favre legacy in Greenbay?
Farve legacy is now in Minnesota. Hard for Packer fans to have a hard-on for anything in Minnesota.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:Way to misinterpret plain text. I never said that he gets 10ypc every play you ****' moron. Yes, that was his average for the game, and yes it's inflated due to the big run. All I said was that this kid has some serious talent and potential, evidenced by his performance in that game. Even against lesser competition 87 yard runs for TD's aren't an easy task.packerbacker wrote:
Well maybe you shouldn't be the one touting that 'your guy' is all 10 ypc every play. I did not belittle him. I just pointed out that if some guy breaks a big run and gets stuffed on the next 8 plays, his ypc will still be inflated.
Who are you a fan of anyway? Do you even affiliate yourself with an FCS team, or do you just have a hard-on for the Favre legacy in Greenbay?
Favre is in Minnesota, his legacy is still in Green Bay. And it's about as used up and tarnished as Paris Hilton's vagina at a party with alcohol.JALMOND wrote:Farve legacy is now in Minnesota. Hard for Packer fans to have a hard-on for anything in Minnesota.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Way to misinterpret plain text. I never said that he gets 10ypc every play you ****' moron. Yes, that was his average for the game, and yes it's inflated due to the big run. All I said was that this kid has some serious talent and potential, evidenced by his performance in that game. Even against lesser competition 87 yard runs for TD's aren't an easy task.
Who are you a fan of anyway? Do you even affiliate yourself with an FCS team, or do you just have a hard-on for the Favre legacy in Greenbay?
I will stop now at the risk of sounding ignorant. You may have better knowledge of this that I doScreamin_Eagle174 wrote:Favre is in Minnesota, his legacy is still in Green Bay. And it's about as used up and tarnished as Paris Hilton's vagina at a party with alcohol.JALMOND wrote:
Farve legacy is now in Minnesota. Hard for Packer fans to have a hard-on for anything in Minnesota.
I love your pathetic attempts to get under my skin. I know you're just butt hurt because the bobkitties suck yet again, almost losing to Dixie State. It's okay, I'd be embarrassed too if we only put up 23 points against a bottom dweller D-II team and our "vaunted D" allowed 417 yards and three touchdown passes.GOKATS wrote:2 for 2 in a 59-7 loss. Yep Taiwan is the guy............................
