When does Biden drop out of the race?

[Caribbean Hen]

I’m telling you, if the special delivery Jojo Biden robot from Disney Worlds Hall of Presidents would of arrived on time for the debate, none of this would even be happening

The big lie would of just continued

And we still haven’t heard a logical explanation from Karin Jean-Goebels about the 8 visits to the WH from July 2023-March 2024, and whether he has visited since then.

She has a tough job description

Voice of the scam
Protect our National Clown
Lie like the devil

[kalm]

Yes idealists can be like that but I know WAY more MAGA’s than self righteous progressives.

Out of curiosity, which would you rather vote for with no other options? Would you rather live in Hungary or Norway?

Here’s just one example of polling paid family leave broken down by who they think should pay for it. I suppose you parse it out further as you’re already trying to do by including budgetary decisions like would you prefer to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it? Or would you prefer to see a cut in military spending to pay for family leave?

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... -policies/

You live in greater Idaho, of course you know more MAQAts. Cross the Cascades and you'll find plenty of self-righteous progressives.

That's an example of something that sounds great but the devil's in the details (or nuances):
- If a seasonal employee's spouse was ill and they needed to take July off, should your course pay for it?
- I work with a limited budget and 1 other employee. We can't pay someone who isn't there and a temporary hire to fill in the gap.
- For union jobs, it's up to the union to negotiate paid leave. It would probably impact pay so they might not want to do it.
- There are countless other small businesses who would struggle with a mandate and some of those would go under if required to pay for leave.

Where is the money coming from if the governments going to pay for it? What would the tax brackets be if we implemented the progressive wish list? How much can you tax the rich before they stay fvck it, why bother?

The progressive view on taxation is similar to MMT, they think the government has unlimited ability to tax without adverse consequences. It's an ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous view of government being greater than the economy, the market and individual choice.

Most of my family and my wife’s live in Western Wa and Vancouver. I spent every summer until I was 18 over there. We have a cabin on Puget Sound. Spokane and Cheney are solidly blue these days. The farmers and retired military I know are balanced out by the educators around Cheney.

Agree with you on small business concerns I literally lived it for 30 years with my direct competitor being 7 city and county owned courses with unlimited budgets and a bit of a monopoly on the local industry. But there are work arounds. There are still small businesses in countries that have family leave. Exceptions based on number of employees and net profits. One can also make the case (I don’t agree with this) that if a business can’t afford basic benefits like sick leave or family leave for their employees, they probably shouldn’t be in business. However, we’ve seen what the cost of healthcare here has done to that type of idea.

RE: taxes. Have higher taxes forced an overwhelming amount of the wealthy and corporations out of business before? Im not even talking about the high rates of the 50’s and 60’s which we somehow survived. If Nick Hanauer makes 1000 times the income of someone on subsistence wages, does he buy 1000 more pairs of jeans?

We’re currently helping a young man who was high school friends with my sons. His dad (a vet) died suddenly of a heart attack recently. He had to quit his job to be the sole caregiver for his disabled mom (stroke victim). We’re dodging foreclosure on their home, critical medical supply costs for the mom, keeping at least one old beater car running, utility bills, etc. I think we can do better as a country through either reallocation of how we spend tax dollars and/or moderate tax rates on those who can afford it.

But careful…tax them at rates a teacher or firefighter is paying and they may just take their ball and go home.

[Caribbean Hen]

You live in greater Idaho, of course you know more MAQAts. Cross the Cascades and you'll find plenty of self-righteous progressives.

That's an example of something that sounds great but the devil's in the details (or nuances):
- If a seasonal employee's spouse was ill and they needed to take July off, should your course pay for it?
- I work with a limited budget and 1 other employee. We can't pay someone who isn't there and a temporary hire to fill in the gap.
- For union jobs, it's up to the union to negotiate paid leave. It would probably impact pay so they might not want to do it.
- There are countless other small businesses who would struggle with a mandate and some of those would go under if required to pay for leave.

Where is the money coming from if the governments going to pay for it? What would the tax brackets be if we implemented the progressive wish list? How much can you tax the rich before they stay fvck it, why bother?

The progressive view on taxation is similar to MMT, they think the government has unlimited ability to tax without adverse consequences. It's an ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous view of government being greater than the economy, the market and individual choice.

Most of my family and my wife’s live in Western Wa and Vancouver. I spent every summer until I was 18 over there. We have a cabin on Puget Sound. Spokane and Cheney are solidly blue these days. The farmers and retired military I know are balanced out by the educators around Cheney.

Agree with you on small business concerns I literally lived it for 30 years with my direct competitor being 7 city and county owned courses with unlimited budgets and a bit of a monopoly on the local industry. But there are work arounds. There are still small businesses in countries that have family leave. Exceptions based on number of employees and net profits. One can also make the case (I don’t agree with this) that if a business can’t afford basic benefits like sick leave or family leave for their employees, they probably shouldn’t be in business. However, we’ve seen what the cost of healthcare here has done to that type of idea.

RE: taxes. Have higher taxes forced an overwhelming amount of the wealthy and corporations out of business before? Im not even talking about the high rates of the 50’s and 60’s which we somehow survived. If Nick Hanauer makes 1000 times the income of someone on subsistence wages, does he buy 1000 more pairs of jeans?

We’re currently helping a young man who was high school friends with my sons. His dad (a vet) died suddenly of a heart attack recently. He had to quit his job to be the sole caregiver for his disabled mom (stroke victim). We’re dodging foreclosure on their home, critical medical supply costs for the mom, keeping at least one old beater car running, utility bills, etc. I think we can do better as a country through either reallocation of how we spend tax dollars and/or moderate tax rates on those who can afford it.

But careful…tax them at rates a teacher or firefighter is paying and they may just take their ball and go home.

Are you sure you don’t live in Utah

[kalm]

Most of my family and my wife’s live in Western Wa and Vancouver. I spent every summer until I was 18 over there. We have a cabin on Puget Sound. Spokane and Cheney are solidly blue these days. The farmers and retired military I know are balanced out by the educators around Cheney.

Agree with you on small business concerns I literally lived it for 30 years with my direct competitor being 7 city and county owned courses with unlimited budgets and a bit of a monopoly on the local industry. But there are work arounds. There are still small businesses in countries that have family leave. Exceptions based on number of employees and net profits. One can also make the case (I don’t agree with this) that if a business can’t afford basic benefits like sick leave or family leave for their employees, they probably shouldn’t be in business. However, we’ve seen what the cost of healthcare here has done to that type of idea.

RE: taxes. Have higher taxes forced an overwhelming amount of the wealthy and corporations out of business before? Im not even talking about the high rates of the 50’s and 60’s which we somehow survived. If Nick Hanauer makes 1000 times the income of someone on subsistence wages, does he buy 1000 more pairs of jeans?

We’re currently helping a young man who was high school friends with my sons. His dad (a vet) died suddenly of a heart attack recently. He had to quit his job to be the sole caregiver for his disabled mom (stroke victim). We’re dodging foreclosure on their home, critical medical supply costs for the mom, keeping at least one old beater car running, utility bills, etc. I think we can do better as a country through either reallocation of how we spend tax dollars and/or moderate tax rates on those who can afford it.

But careful…tax them at rates a teacher or firefighter is paying and they may just take their ball and go home.

Are you sure you don’t live in Utah

Huh?

[UNI88]

You live in greater Idaho, of course you know more MAQAts. Cross the Cascades and you'll find plenty of self-righteous progressives.

That's an example of something that sounds great but the devil's in the details (or nuances):
- If a seasonal employee's spouse was ill and they needed to take July off, should your course pay for it?
- I work with a limited budget and 1 other employee. We can't pay someone who isn't there and a temporary hire to fill in the gap.
- For union jobs, it's up to the union to negotiate paid leave. It would probably impact pay so they might not want to do it.
- There are countless other small businesses who would struggle with a mandate and some of those would go under if required to pay for leave.

Where is the money coming from if the governments going to pay for it? What would the tax brackets be if we implemented the progressive wish list? How much can you tax the rich before they stay fvck it, why bother?

The progressive view on taxation is similar to MMT, they think the government has unlimited ability to tax without adverse consequences. It's an ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous view of government being greater than the economy, the market and individual choice.

Most of my family and my wife’s live in Western Wa and Vancouver. I spent every summer until I was 18 over there. We have a cabin on Puget Sound. Spokane and Cheney are solidly blue these days. The farmers and retired military I know are balanced out by the educators around Cheney.

Agree with you on small business concerns I literally lived it for 30 years with my direct competitor being 7 city and county owned courses with unlimited budgets and a bit of a monopoly on the local industry. But there are work arounds. There are still small businesses in countries that have family leave. Exceptions based on number of employees and net profits. One can also make the case (I don’t agree with this) that if a business can’t afford basic benefits like sick leave or family leave for their employees, they probably shouldn’t be in business. However, we’ve seen what the cost of healthcare here has done to that type of idea.

RE: taxes. Have higher taxes forced an overwhelming amount of the wealthy and corporations out of business before? Im not even talking about the high rates of the 50’s and 60’s which we somehow survived. If Nick Hanauer makes 1000 times the income of someone on subsistence wages, does he buy 1000 more pairs of jeans?

We’re currently helping a young man who was high school friends with my sons. His dad (a vet) died suddenly of a heart attack recently. He had to quit his job to be the sole caregiver for his disabled mom (stroke victim). We’re dodging foreclosure on their home, critical medical supply costs for the mom, keeping at least one old beater car running, utility bills, etc. I think we can do better as a country through either reallocation of how we spend tax dollars and/or moderate tax rates on those who can afford it.

But careful…tax them at rates a teacher or firefighter is paying and they may just take their ball and go home.

1) Our systems aren't perfect. There are improvements, especially in healthcare that should be made.

2) I support closing loopholes used by the wealthy to avoid taxes. I like the tax brackets at the pre-trump levels and capital gains tax as is. They encourage individuals to invest and build a nest egg for retirement. I also don't support taxing unrealized capital gains or the value of savings/investments themselves. These biden proposals disincentive savings and investment and will make individuals more reliant on the government (which I believe is the biden administration's insidious goal).

3) Our healthcare system is broken. Obamacare was an improvement but the concessions made to the healthcare industry have prevented it from being as good as it could have been. I don't think we should just adopt a European style UHC approach. Americans aren't Europeans, despite progressives wanting us to be more like them. There are cultural differences that should be accounted for in how we provide healthcare. I consider myself a consumer of healthcare and tell my doctor no if I think something is unnecessary (example, he wanted to see me every 6 months but I have a HDHP that only covers 1 physical/year so I told him that as long as I feel healthy he would see me once/year). Our system discourages consumers from taking responsibility for their own healthcare decisions and costs. There are many things that increase our costs: legal expenses and risks, unnecessary consumer advertising, etc.

4) I would love for Congress and a presidential administration to have meaningful conversations about how tax dollars are allocated.

[Bobcat]

After Biden’s disasterous NATO and Big Boy press conferences, more donks publicly calling for Biden to drop out. The rats are deserting the sinking ship..

They voted for him (as did I) sleep in the bed we made. We deserve it

[kalm]

Most of my family and my wife’s live in Western Wa and Vancouver. I spent every summer until I was 18 over there. We have a cabin on Puget Sound. Spokane and Cheney are solidly blue these days. The farmers and retired military I know are balanced out by the educators around Cheney.

Agree with you on small business concerns I literally lived it for 30 years with my direct competitor being 7 city and county owned courses with unlimited budgets and a bit of a monopoly on the local industry. But there are work arounds. There are still small businesses in countries that have family leave. Exceptions based on number of employees and net profits. One can also make the case (I don’t agree with this) that if a business can’t afford basic benefits like sick leave or family leave for their employees, they probably shouldn’t be in business. However, we’ve seen what the cost of healthcare here has done to that type of idea.

RE: taxes. Have higher taxes forced an overwhelming amount of the wealthy and corporations out of business before? Im not even talking about the high rates of the 50’s and 60’s which we somehow survived. If Nick Hanauer makes 1000 times the income of someone on subsistence wages, does he buy 1000 more pairs of jeans?

We’re currently helping a young man who was high school friends with my sons. His dad (a vet) died suddenly of a heart attack recently. He had to quit his job to be the sole caregiver for his disabled mom (stroke victim). We’re dodging foreclosure on their home, critical medical supply costs for the mom, keeping at least one old beater car running, utility bills, etc. I think we can do better as a country through either reallocation of how we spend tax dollars and/or moderate tax rates on those who can afford it.

But careful…tax them at rates a teacher or firefighter is paying and they may just take their ball and go home.

1) Our systems aren't perfect. There are improvements, especially in healthcare that should be made.

2) I support closing loopholes used by the wealthy to avoid taxes. I like the tax brackets at the pre-trump levels and capital gains tax as is. They encourage individuals to invest and build a nest egg for retirement. I also don't support taxing unrealized capital gains or the value of savings/investments themselves. These biden proposals disincentive savings and investment and will make individuals more reliant on the government (which I believe is the biden administration's insidious goal).

3) Our healthcare system is broken. Obamacare was an improvement but the concessions made to the healthcare industry have prevented it from being as good as it could have been. I don't think we should just adopt a European style UHC approach. Americans aren't Europeans, despite progressives wanting us to be more like them. There are cultural differences that should be accounted for in how we provide healthcare. I consider myself a consumer of healthcare and tell my doctor no if I think something is unnecessary (example, he wanted to see me every 6 months but I have a HDHP that only covers 1 physical/year so I told him that as long as I feel healthy he would see me once/year). Our system discourages consumers from taking responsibility for their own healthcare decisions and costs. There are many things that increase our costs: legal expenses and risks, unnecessary consumer advertising, etc.

4) I would love for Congress and a presidential administration to have meaningful conversations about how tax dollars are allocated.

Bravo! I could have written this myself.

I would add that most people truly don’t appreciate how rat-skull-fucked the system really is. Until you’ve had to navigate it for yourself or a loved one. Aside from the massive fraud, corruption, and obscene profits, the inefficiency is truly startling.

[Caribbean Hen]

Are you sure you don’t live in Utah

Huh?

Slow down and try and read the bolded part you

[kalm]

Huh?

Slow down and try and read the bolded part you

Is it a Mormon joke or something? Care to explain your funny.

[Bobcat]

I could be wrong but you are acting like other peoples money should be taken and given to you and your friends kid. Nope, not in this country nor should it be.

If people want to help out fine but taking tax money and giving it to others is criminal

[UNI88]

I could be wrong but you are acting like other peoples money should be taken and given to you and your friends kid. Nope, not in this country nor should it be.

If people want to help out fine but taking tax money and giving it to others is criminal

That will cut the federal deficit and debt in no time. We'd have a volunteer and volunteer funded military. The government would charge market price for use of federal lands. SBA assistance would cease. And so much more.

Or do you want to continue the crime of taking tax money and giving it to the military and their suppliers?

Do I need this?

[Bobcat]

I could be wrong but you are acting like other peoples money should be taken and given to you and your friends kid. Nope, not in this country nor should it be.

If people want to help out fine but taking tax money and giving it to others is criminal

That will cut the federal deficit and debt in no time. We'd have a volunteer and volunteer funded military. The government would charge market price for use of federal lands. SBA assistance would cease. And so much more.

Good, when do you think this will happen. I'm throwing a party

[kalm]

I could be wrong but you are acting like other peoples money should be taken and given to you and your friends kid. Nope, not in this country nor should it be.

If people want to help out fine but taking tax money and giving it to others is criminal

I have never been given someone else’s tax payment. Can you tell me how this works? I’d like to get in on it.

[SeattleGriz]

Slow down and try and read the bolded part you

Is it a Mormon joke or something? Care to explain your funny.

[UNI88]

That will cut the federal deficit and debt in no time. We'd have a volunteer and volunteer funded military. The government would charge market price for use of federal lands. SBA assistance would cease. And so much more.

Good, when do you think this will happen. I'm throwing a party

Maybe I could save you the waiting time and get you a one-way flight to Mogadishu. That's probably a reasonable proximity of what life would be like without government bodies using tax dollars to fund programs like fire, police, schools, water quality, zoning, etc.

[kalm]

Is it a Mormon joke or something? Care to explain your funny.

Still waiting for an explanation. Have one?

[Bobcat]

Good, when do you think this will happen. I'm throwing a party

Maybe I could save you the waiting time and get you a one-way flight to Mogadishu. That's probably a reasonable proximity of what life would be like without government bodies using tax dollars to fund programs like fire, police, schools, water quality, zoning, etc.

If only they funded them, in the USA nope we fund shit all over the world and its wrong, its theft and I don't want to give you the vapors as to what should happen to anyone that participates in theft as far as politicians go.

[UNI88]

Maybe I could save you the waiting time and get you a one-way flight to Mogadishu. That's probably a reasonable proximity of what life would be like without government bodies using tax dollars to fund programs like fire, police, schools, water quality, zoning, etc.

If only they funded them, in the USA nope we fund shit all over the world and its wrong, its theft and I don't want to give you the vapors as to what should happen to anyone that participates in theft as far as politicians go.

You think it's wrong to use tax dollars to fund certain things, others think its wrong to use tax dollars to fund other things. Neither you or I gets to pick where our tax dollars go.
- Is it theft if a pacifist's tax dollars go to the military?
- Is it theft if a childless person's tax dollars go to local schools (and could improve home values)?

We have a representative democracy where we elect representatives to decide on where funds will come from and where they will go. You don't have to like it but it isn't going to change. You are free to leave if it bothers you too much.

[Bobcat]

If only they funded them, in the USA nope we fund shit all over the world and its wrong, its theft and I don't want to give you the vapors as to what should happen to anyone that participates in theft as far as politicians go.

You think it's wrong to use tax dollars to fund certain things, others think its wrong to use tax dollars to fund other things. Neither you or I gets to pick where our tax dollars go.
- Is it theft if a pacifist's tax dollars go to the military?
- Is it theft if a childless person's tax dollars go to local schools (and could improve home values)?

We have a representative democracy where we elect representatives to decide on where funds will come from and where they will go. You don't have to like it but it isn't going to change. You are free to leave if it bothers you too much.

We have a representative REPUBLIC.

I'm just pointing out its wrong I don't care because I quit years ago and will not contribute until it changes. No sweat off my sack

[UNI88]

You think it's wrong to use tax dollars to fund certain things, others think its wrong to use tax dollars to fund other things. Neither you or I gets to pick where our tax dollars go.
- Is it theft if a pacifist's tax dollars go to the military?
- Is it theft if a childless person's tax dollars go to local schools (and could improve home values)?

We have a representative democracy where we elect representatives to decide on where funds will come from and where they will go. You don't have to like it but it isn't going to change. You are free to leave if it bothers you too much.

We have a representative REPUBLIC.

I'm just pointing out its wrong I don't care because I quit years ago and will not contribute until it changes. No sweat off my sack

Or we have a constitutional representative democracy which in practice could probably also be described as a representative democracy or a democratic republic. We are not a direct democracy.

[Bobcat]

Is the president elected by popular vote?

Of course not nor should he be

If you don't like that or disagree then take it up with Google

By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution, and a democracy is a government that is ruled according to the will of the majority.

Just so you know, we have a constitution so see above.

[UNI88]

Is the president elected by popular vote?

Of course not nor should he be

If you don't like that or disagree then take it up with Google

By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution, and a democracy is a government that is ruled according to the will of the majority.

Just so you know, we have a constitution so see above.

Who said I don't like that the President isn't elected by popular vote. I'm a supporter of the electoral college and our Constitution.

I disagree with your definitions. Please provide links to where they came from.

[SeattleGriz]

Still waiting for an explanation. Have one?

Yes, it was a polygamy joke. Your grammar was correct, but the fact you couldn't see CH was making a play on your statement...

[kalm]

Still waiting for an explanation. Have one?

Yes, it was a polygamy joke. Your grammar was correct, but the fact you couldn't see CH was making a play on your statement...

I thought it was a lame attempt at a joke.

Why do you always take two Mormons to go fishing?

[Caribbean Hen]

Yes, it was a polygamy joke. Your grammar was correct, but the fact you couldn't see CH was making a play on your statement...

I thought it was a lame attempt at a joke.

Why do you always take two Mormons to go fishing?

Seattle Griz lays it out clear as the view down to Mount Rainer while Kalm is blinded by his bong smoke