When does Biden drop out of the race?

[UNI88]

Any man that votes for a woman should cut his own junk off because hes not being represented anymore. A waste of a vote

Tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel.

[GannonFan]

Whoa there, did you just not realize what you were typing or did you purposely try to squeeze that in to an otherwise good post? Absolutely, for most of his career, especially the 70's and the 80's, Biden was surely center right (my Dad always tells it that the Senators who really took him in and made him feel accepted into the Senate as a young Senator who just lost most of his family were the Southern senators, hence why Biden sided with them for most civil rights debates in that time). And Biden, through his Obama years and since, has drifted much more to the center left, if not the left altogether. But there's no way you could ever describe his macro economic principles (i.e. Modern Monetary Theory) and his healthcare views (pro Obamacare, pro price controls, and even towards a full-on NHS-style healthcare system) as "right wing". Those are almost the antithesis of right wing thinking for those topics.

1) Do we have a NHS type system? Is that similar or closer to the system the entire rest of 1st uses than it is our own barbaric system? What exactly defines the center here in your mind?

2). MMT is your version of CH’s 4th estate. There’s some truth behind your issues with it but our economic policies as a whole remain top down. Low taxes on the wealthy and corporations, regulatory capture by industries, and massive corruption. To equate it to being left is silly.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here - you said Biden was "right wing" when it came to economics and healthcare. That's all I was speaking towards. How could Biden be considered "right wing" in those two areas? For economics, how many times does he need to say bottom up and middle out for his economic plan? That doesn't sound top down to me. And the massive spending that he signed at the start of his administration that was MMT in nature and caused the initial soaring inflation could never be considered top down either.

As for healthcare, how is Biden right wing? Is Obamacare right wing?

Like I said, you seemed to go too far in talking up Biden's centrist tendencies that you even called him right wing in economics and health care. If you have actual proof to back that up because I'm sure most of us here don't have access to such hidden information.

[kalm]

1) Do we have a NHS type system? Is that similar or closer to the system the entire rest of 1st uses than it is our own barbaric system? What exactly defines the center here in your mind?

2). MMT is your version of CH’s 4th estate. There’s some truth behind your issues with it but our economic policies as a whole remain top down. Low taxes on the wealthy and corporations, regulatory capture by industries, and massive corruption. To equate it to being left is silly.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here - you said Biden was "right wing" when it came to economics and healthcare. That's all I was speaking towards. How could Biden be considered "right wing" in those two areas? For economics, how many times does he need to say bottom up and middle out for his economic plan? That doesn't sound top down to me. And the massive spending that he signed at the start of his administration that was MMT in nature and caused the initial soaring inflation could never be considered top down either.

As for healthcare, how is Biden right wing? Is Obamacare right wing?

Like I said, you seemed to go too far in talking up Biden's centrist tendencies that you even called him right wing in economics and health care. If you have actual proof to back that up because I'm sure most of us here don't have access to such hidden information.

My apologies. You’re right I too quickly exchanged center right for right wing. My original point (which was originally fitrcted at BDK not you) is that Biden is closer to a Beshear and Manchin than he is AOC.

Accept my correction? Still friends?

[UNI88]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here - you said Biden was "right wing" when it came to economics and healthcare. That's all I was speaking towards. How could Biden be considered "right wing" in those two areas? For economics, how many times does he need to say bottom up and middle out for his economic plan? That doesn't sound top down to me. And the massive spending that he signed at the start of his administration that was MMT in nature and caused the initial soaring inflation could never be considered top down either.

As for healthcare, how is Biden right wing? Is Obamacare right wing?

Like I said, you seemed to go too far in talking up Biden's centrist tendencies that you even called him right wing in economics and health care. If you have actual proof to back that up because I'm sure most of us here don't have access to such hidden information.

My apologies. You’re right I too quickly exchanged center right for right wing. My original point (which was originally fitrcted at BDK not you) is that Biden is closer to a Beshear and Manchin than he is AOC.

Accept my correction? Still friends?

Senator biden was closer to Beshear and Manchin than AOC. Vice President and especially President biden, not so much.

The tragedy of Joe Biden is that people see his age, his frailty and his ailing poll numbers and they miss the bigger story. Which is that his has been a truly consequential presidency, even a transformational one. In less than three years, he has built a record that should unify US progressives, including those on the radical left, and devised an economic model to inspire social democratic parties the world over, including here in Britain.

Take another look at Joe Biden. His is the presidency progressives have been waiting for

It’s “the most progressive platform of any Democratic nominee in the modern history of the party,” Waleed Shahid, communications director for Justice Democrats, a group famous (or infamous) for backing left-wing challengers to incumbent congressional Democrats, tells me.

Progressives don’t love Joe Biden, but they’re learning to love his agenda

[BDKJMU]

Whoa there, did you just not realize what you were typing or did you purposely try to squeeze that in to an otherwise good post? Absolutely, for most of his career, especially the 70's and the 80's, Biden was surely center right (my Dad always tells it that the Senators who really took him in and made him feel accepted into the Senate as a young Senator who just lost most of his family were the Southern senators, hence why Biden sided with them for most civil rights debates in that time). And Biden, through his Obama years and since, has drifted much more to the center left, if not the left altogether. But there's no way you could ever describe his macro economic principles (i.e. Modern Monetary Theory) and his healthcare views (pro Obamacare, pro price controls, and even towards a full-on NHS-style healthcare system) as "right wing". Those are almost the antithesis of right wing thinking for those topics.

1) Do we have a NHS type system? Is that similar or closer to the system the entire rest of 1st uses than it is our own barbaric system? What exactly defines the center here in your mind?

2). MMT is your version of CH’s 4th estate. There’s some truth behind your issues with it but our economic policies as a whole remain top down. Low taxes on the wealthy and corporations, regulatory capture by industries, and massive corruption. To equate it to being left is silly.

Such nonsensical hyperbole.
92% had coverage 2022. Exclude non citizens even higher %.
https://www.census.gov/library/publicat ... 0-281.html

[kalm]

My apologies. You’re right I too quickly exchanged center right for right wing. My original point (which was originally fitrcted at BDK not you) is that Biden is closer to a Beshear and Manchin than he is AOC.

Accept my correction? Still friends?

Senator biden was closer to Beshear and Manchin than AOC. Vice President and especially President biden, not so much.

The tragedy of Joe Biden is that people see his age, his frailty and his ailing poll numbers and they miss the bigger story. Which is that his has been a truly consequential presidency, even a transformational one. In less than three years, he has built a record that should unify US progressives, including those on the radical left, and devised an economic model to inspire social democratic parties the world over, including here in Britain.

Take another look at Joe Biden. His is the presidency progressives have been waiting for

It’s “the most progressive platform of any Democratic nominee in the modern history of the party,” Waleed Shahid, communications director for Justice Democrats, a group famous (or infamous) for backing left-wing challengers to incumbent congressional Democrats, tells me.

Progressives don’t love Joe Biden, but they’re learning to love his agenda

Those are two opinions at a time where people are choosing whether Biden should be the nominee or if a late change and uncharted territory is needed. The left is divided with strong opinions. The progressives living under my disagree strongly and they’re not old enough to appreciate centrist Joe. They’re going strictly off of accomplishments and competency as President. Progressive pundits like TYT (among many others) share that opinion.

[BDKJMU]

Lol no they aren’t.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... p-vs-biden

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... t-vs-stein

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... /national/

And those national polls really don’t matter. Go to the 7 battleground state polls and its even way worse for Biden.

Wait, nevermind the above nonsense. Biden is in a dead heat with Trump. He needs to stay in the race.

[BDKJMU]

Well, I was wrong by being 1 of 2 voting for ‘Within a week, by July 11th’. I guessing by GF’s OP he was the other one.

Looks like the majority is split between
‘Right before or at the convention (Aug 19th)’
and
‘He doesn't leave the race and runs in November’

See, I can admit when I am wrong.

[UNI88]

Senator biden was closer to Beshear and Manchin than AOC. Vice President and especially President biden, not so much.

Take another look at Joe Biden. His is the presidency progressives have been waiting for

Progressives don’t love Joe Biden, but they’re learning to love his agenda

Those are two opinions at a time where people are choosing whether Biden should be the nominee or if a late change and uncharted territory is needed. The left is divided with strong opinions. The progressives living under my disagree strongly and they’re not old enough to appreciate centrist Joe. They’re going strictly off of accomplishments and competency as President. Progressive pundits like TYT (among many others) share that opinion.

Tell me you didn't look at the articles without telling me you didn't look at the articles. One was dated 9/8/23 and the other 7/18/20.

Just because progressives don't accept biden doesn't mean that his Presidential platform and policies haven't been significantly more progressive than centrist.

[BDKJMU]

I think Whitmer and Beshear's numbers would increase over time with campaigning and increased name recognition.

MAQA yahoos if Michelle Obama is selected to replace biden ...


She might do worse with the under 30 crowd than expected. They blame her for ruining school lunches.

Harris/Whitmer flips the script on age and increases female turnout.

Who’s the VP doesn’t move the needle that much in terms of votes.

If Harris could beat Trump the donks would already have pulled Biden and replace him with Harris.

The donks have 2 candidates on their ticket- one with dementia, and 1 a DEI pick. The fact that they’re sticking with their dementia candidate over their DEI pick tells you all you need to know about Harris.

[UNI88]

Harris/Whitmer flips the script on age and increases female turnout.

Who’s the VP doesn’t move the needle that much in terms of votes.

If Harris could beat Trump the donks would already have pulled Biden and replace him with Harris.

The donks have 2 candidates on their ticket- one with dementia, and 1 a DEI pick. The fact that they’re sticking with their dementia candidate over their DEI pick tells you all you need to know about Harris.

Tell me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence without telling me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence.

As Rep. Jasmine Crockett said to Rep. Chip Roy when he said the same thing:

“Number one, you can obviously see that he’s ignorant as all get out,” she continued. “And number two, you can see that he wishes he had half the competency of Vice President Kamala Harris.”

[BDKJMU]

‘You’re worried if he knows which direction he’s going’: Nervous world leaders greet Biden at NATO

The contrast couldn’t be starker: President Joe Biden, physically and politically frail, presiding over what could be his final NATO Summit at a moment when the alliance has never been so strong.

That tension is not lost on NATO officials from multiple European nations who say they are alarmed by Biden’s apparent decline and increasingly concerned at the prospect of seeing an ardent champion of the alliance replaced in November by a hostile Donald Trump.

NATO officials are both saddened at how Biden’s fortunes have turned and frustrated that the storyline has distracted from what was to be a celebratory summit. They are also increasingly resigned to his defeat this November, which they fear could halt or reverse the 32-member alliance’s recent momentum, threatening Ukraine’s ability to fend off Russia’s onslaught and the broader stability that has been the bedrock of the organization since its Cold War creation.

“It’s a very weird feeling to be in Europe listening to the president of the United States, and you’re more stressed about whether he will go off script than being excited to listen to the leader of the free world,” a senior European diplomat said. “You’re worried if he knows which direction he’s going or whether he’s going to fall or what he’s going to forget or if he’ll say ‘North Korea’ when he meant ‘South Korea.’ It’s just a weird experience.”…

… “He didn’t look good,” said a Washington-based diplomat from one of those countries.…

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/1 ... n-00167424

[BDKJMU]

Who’s the VP doesn’t move the needle that much in terms of votes.

If Harris could beat Trump the donks would already have pulled Biden and replace him with Harris.

The donks have 2 candidates on their ticket- one with dementia, and 1 a DEI pick. The fact that they’re sticking with their dementia candidate over their DEI pick tells you all you need to know about Harris.

Tell me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence without telling me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence.

As Rep. Jasmine Crockett said to Rep. Chip Roy when he said the same thing:

“Number one, you can obviously see that he’s ignorant as all get out,” she continued. “And number two, you can see that he wishes he had half the competency of Vice President Kamala Harris.”

Lol how cute you think that Harris isn’t a DEI pick.. And I could care less about whatever a ‘woman of color’ is. I hope if its not Biden its Harris.

Lol at Crockett calling someone ignorant. If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone who thinks that Harris is competent clearly isn’t too bright, including ghetto speak Crockett.

[BDKJMU]

Quotes from democrats. Some on record, some not.

White House guests recount concerns after seeing Biden weeks before debate: 'What we witnessed was troubling'
https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-g ... itter_abcn

[UNI88]

Tell me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence without telling me your intimidated by women of color in positions of power & influence.

As Rep. Jasmine Crockett said to Rep. Chip Roy when he said the same thing:

Lol how cute you think that Harris isn’t a DEI pick.. And I could care less about whatever a ‘woman of color’ is. I hope if its not Biden its Harris.

Lol at Crockett calling someone ignorant. If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone who thinks that Harris is competent clearly isn’t too bright, including ghetto speak Crockett.

Crockett has demonstrated that she has more intelligence and common sense than the klingon (gaetz), marge and beetlejuice combined.

Calling people DEI picks/hires is a backdoor way to say "colored" with what the yahoos using it think is plausible deniability for their bigotry.

[BDKJMU]

Lol how cute you think that Harris isn’t a DEI pick.. And I could care less about whatever a ‘woman of color’ is. I hope if its not Biden its Harris.

Lol at Crockett calling someone ignorant. If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone who thinks that Harris is competent clearly isn’t too bright, including ghetto speak Crockett.

Crockett has demonstrated that she has more intelligence and common sense than the klingon (gaetz), marge and beetlejuice combined.

Yeah um…ok..

[BDKJMU]

Lol how cute you think that Harris isn’t a DEI pick.. And I could care less about whatever a ‘woman of color’ is. I hope if its not Biden its Harris.

Lol at Crockett calling someone ignorant. If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone who thinks that Harris is competent clearly isn’t too bright, including ghetto speak Crockett.

Calling people DEI picks/hires is a way to say picked primarily for their race/sex/anything other than straight white male, over their actual qualifications/experience/ability.

FIFY

[UNI88]

Crockett has demonstrated that she has more intelligence and common sense than the klingon (gaetz), marge and beetlejuice combined.

Yeah um…ok..

Have you heard what they're doing with the Ten Commandments, teaching the bible, etc. in states like Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc? I thought you were against indoctrination.

Regardless, what she said there doesn't hold a candle to the dumbass sh!t that gaetz, marge and beetlejuice have said/tweeted.

[kalm]

Those are two opinions at a time where people are choosing whether Biden should be the nominee or if a late change and uncharted territory is needed. The left is divided with strong opinions. The progressives living under my disagree strongly and they’re not old enough to appreciate centrist Joe. They’re going strictly off of accomplishments and competency as President. Progressive pundits like TYT (among many others) share that opinion.

Tell me you didn't look at the articles without telling me you didn't look at the articles. One was dated 9/8/23 and the other 7/18/20.

Just because progressives don't accept biden doesn't mean that his Presidential platform and policies haven't been significantly more progressive than centrist.

Guilty.

I know and have made the case that Biden pivoted left. I’m talking about progressives who still don’t think it’s enough.

But it’s still centrist compared to public opinion polling on many policy issues. Our current system for financing elections requires it to be so.

[UNI88]

Tell me you didn't look at the articles without telling me you didn't look at the articles. One was dated 9/8/23 and the other 7/18/20.

Just because progressives don't accept biden doesn't mean that his Presidential platform and policies haven't been significantly more progressive than centrist.

Guilty.

I know and have made the case that Biden pivoted left. I’m talking about progressives who still don’t think it’s enough.

But it’s still centrist compared to public opinion polling on many policy issues. Our current system for financing elections requires it to be so.

Progressives that don't think what biden has done has been enough are like MAQA yahoos who think we need God in our classrooms, court houses and city halls. They're self-righteous twats who think their way isn't just the right way, it's the only way.

Show me the polling. Did the pollsters ask if people liked progressive concepts or did they ask if they'd be willing to pay for progressive concepts? There would be a big difference in the results if people understand that their taxes will go up to pay for progressive concepts.

[kalm]

Guilty.

I know and have made the case that Biden pivoted left. I’m talking about progressives who still don’t think it’s enough.

But it’s still centrist compared to public opinion polling on many policy issues. Our current system for financing elections requires it to be so.

Progressives that don't think what biden has done has been enough are like MAQA yahoos who think we need God in our classrooms, court houses and city halls. They're self-righteous twats who think their way isn't just the right way, it's the only way.

Show me the polling. Did the pollsters ask if people liked progressive concepts or did they ask if they'd be willing to pay for progressive concepts? There would be a big difference in the results if people understand that their taxes will go up to pay for progressive concepts.

Yes idealists can be like that but I know WAY more MAGA’s than self righteous progressives.

Out of curiosity, which would you rather vote for with no other options? Would you rather live in Hungary or Norway?

Here’s just one example of polling paid family leave broken down by who they think should pay for it. I suppose you parse it out further as you’re already trying to do by including budgetary decisions like would you prefer to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it? Or would you prefer to see a cut in military spending to pay for family leave?

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... -policies/

[BDKJMU]

After Biden’s disasterous NATO and Big Boy press conferences, more donks publicly calling for Biden to drop out. The rats are deserting the sinking ship..

[UNI88]

Progressives that don't think what biden has done has been enough are like MAQA yahoos who think we need God in our classrooms, court houses and city halls. They're self-righteous twats who think their way isn't just the right way, it's the only way.

Show me the polling. Did the pollsters ask if people liked progressive concepts or did they ask if they'd be willing to pay for progressive concepts? There would be a big difference in the results if people understand that their taxes will go up to pay for progressive concepts.

Yes idealists can be like that but I know WAY more MAGA’s than self righteous progressives.

Out of curiosity, which would you rather vote for with no other options? Would you rather live in Hungary or Norway?

Here’s just one example of polling paid family leave broken down by who they think should pay for it. I suppose you parse it out further as you’re already trying to do by including budgetary decisions like would you prefer to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it? Or would you prefer to see a cut in military spending to pay for family leave?

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... -policies/

You live in greater Idaho, of course you know more MAQAts. Cross the Cascades and you'll find plenty of self-righteous progressives.

That's an example of something that sounds great but the devil's in the details (or nuances):
- If a seasonal employee's spouse was ill and they needed to take July off, should your course pay for it?
- I work with a limited budget and 1 other employee. We can't pay someone who isn't there and a temporary hire to fill in the gap.
- For union jobs, it's up to the union to negotiate paid leave. It would probably impact pay so they might not want to do it.
- There are countless other small businesses who would struggle with a mandate and some of those would go under if required to pay for leave.

Where is the money coming from if the governments going to pay for it? What would the tax brackets be if we implemented the progressive wish list? How much can you tax the rich before they stay fvck it, why bother?

The progressive view on taxation is similar to MMT, they think the government has unlimited ability to tax without adverse consequences. It's an ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous view of government being greater than the economy, the market and individual choice.

[Caribbean Hen]

After Biden’s disasterous NATO and Big Boy press conferences, more donks publicly calling for Biden to drop out. The rats are deserting the sinking ship..

I’m telling you, if the special delivery Jojo Biden robot from Disney Worlds Hall of Presidents would of arrived on time for the debate, none of this would even be happening

The big lie would of just continued

[BDKJMU]

After Biden’s disasterous NATO and Big Boy press conferences, more donks publicly calling for Biden to drop out. The rats are deserting the sinking ship..

I’m telling you, if the special delivery Jojo Biden robot from Disney Worlds Hall of Presidents would of arrived on time for the debate, none of this would even be happening

The big lie would of just continued

And we still haven’t heard a logical explanation from Karin Jean-Goebels about the 8 visits to the WH from July 2023-March 2024, and whether he has visited since then.