When does Biden drop out of the race?

[kalm]

Flooding the zone with smarmy long winded responses is a polite means of arguing in bad faith.

You won’t watch the video because you know it’s going accurately describe the possibilities to its intended audience which is precisely you.

Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t diminish the attempt and your claim of 350 million Americans not siding with them is exactly what I’m talking about.

But keep telling us Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip is not really a threat.

It's a discussion - if you can't bother to read a post in the discussion because it's, in your opinion, too long, that has nothing to do with bad faith on the author's part, rather more so on your part. And really, it's a couple of paragraphs, when did you become so lazy that you can't read a well thought out argument because it uses too many words? Be better than that.

I don't need to see the video - I've read a lot of what that group puts out and frankly, I think they're wrong. And it's ironic that you have so much faith in them. They're pretty much establishment people that you rail against all the time who are upset they aren't in power any longer. Normally you would laugh off those folks as hacks, but because they fit your hyperbole you pass along their opinions as gospel. Again, be better than that.

And as for smarmy, heck, that's a prerequisite on this site, I'm pretty sure we founded this board with that in mind.

The irony of your admonishment while refusing to watch the video……

Of course the LP are establishment hacks. They happen to be right here. They’re wrong in protecting Biden’s senility.

See? That was easy. Might want to try it sometime…

[UNI88]

Flooding the zone with smarmy long winded responses is a polite means of arguing in bad faith.

You won’t watch the video because you know it’s going accurately describe the possibilities to its intended audience which is precisely you.

Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t diminish the attempt and your claim of 350 million Americans not siding with them is exactly what I’m talking about.

But keep telling us Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip is not really a threat.

It's a discussion - if you can't bother to read a post in the discussion because it's, in your opinion, too long, that has nothing to do with bad faith on the author's part, rather more so on your part. And really, it's a couple of paragraphs, when did you become so lazy that you can't read a well thought out argument because it uses too many words? Be better than that.

I don't need to see the video - I've read a lot of what that group puts out and frankly, I think they're wrong. And it's ironic that you have so much faith in them. They're pretty much establishment people that you rail against all the time who are upset they aren't in power any longer. Normally you would laugh off those folks as hacks, but because they fit your hyperbole you pass along their opinions as gospel. Again, be better than that.

And as for smarmy, heck, that's a prerequisite on this site, I'm pretty sure we founded this board with that in mind.

I think the threat is greater than you do Ganny but I also think it isn't nearly as grave as kalm and all of the other chicken littles want to make it out to be.

[GannonFan]

It's a discussion - if you can't bother to read a post in the discussion because it's, in your opinion, too long, that has nothing to do with bad faith on the author's part, rather more so on your part. And really, it's a couple of paragraphs, when did you become so lazy that you can't read a well thought out argument because it uses too many words? Be better than that.

I don't need to see the video - I've read a lot of what that group puts out and frankly, I think they're wrong. And it's ironic that you have so much faith in them. They're pretty much establishment people that you rail against all the time who are upset they aren't in power any longer. Normally you would laugh off those folks as hacks, but because they fit your hyperbole you pass along their opinions as gospel. Again, be better than that.

And as for smarmy, heck, that's a prerequisite on this site, I'm pretty sure we founded this board with that in mind.

The irony of your admonishment while refusing to watch the video……

Of course the LP are establishment hacks. They happen to be right here. They’re wrong in protecting Biden’s senility.

See? That was easy. Might want to try it sometime…

And you still haven't read my post because it's too long. Irony indeed.

[GannonFan]

It's a discussion - if you can't bother to read a post in the discussion because it's, in your opinion, too long, that has nothing to do with bad faith on the author's part, rather more so on your part. And really, it's a couple of paragraphs, when did you become so lazy that you can't read a well thought out argument because it uses too many words? Be better than that.

I don't need to see the video - I've read a lot of what that group puts out and frankly, I think they're wrong. And it's ironic that you have so much faith in them. They're pretty much establishment people that you rail against all the time who are upset they aren't in power any longer. Normally you would laugh off those folks as hacks, but because they fit your hyperbole you pass along their opinions as gospel. Again, be better than that.

And as for smarmy, heck, that's a prerequisite on this site, I'm pretty sure we founded this board with that in mind.

I think the threat is greater than you do Ganny but I also think it isn't nearly as grave as kalm and all of the other chicken littles want to make it out to be.

Sure, that's a valid position. I'm decidedly optimistic on the American nation and the model of government we have. Of course there will be more pessimistic people in that regard. I didn't realize they'd be so pessimistic that they'd stop reading things altogether though.

[kalm]

The irony of your admonishment while refusing to watch the video……

Of course the LP are establishment hacks. They happen to be right here. They’re wrong in protecting Biden’s senility.

See? That was easy. Might want to try it sometime…

And you still haven't read my post because it's too long. Irony indeed.

I skimmed your post. The fact you don’t recognize this indicates you didn’t really read mine at all.

You won’t even skim the LP video that’s been made specifically for you.

[houndawg]

spot on description, nicely done

Oh stop, you can't read more than two sentences an hour, that's your only complaint. We'll have a day when everyone just posts in pictograms so that you can part of the discussion again. We'll keep you posted.

BD has already cornered that market

[houndawg]

We’ve already lost a bit of our democratic republic thanks to recent SCOTUS rulings.

Jan 6th and the fake electors scheme showed a willingness by far too many to subvert the rule of law and the constitution.

Project 2025 takes us further away.

Not just Trump but who he’d pick to administer his desires would increase the threat. And it would be about HIS desires rather than the constitution or will of the people.

The far right has insisted we are not a democracy for years. To them, we are constitutional republic. That’s what Hungary is. People still vote there but the results are baked in through various laws, the courts, and media control. This is literally and transparently the Republican’s very public agenda.

If, as you stated, “policies and the direction for the country are always impacted by the Presidents in charge” those can chip away at the foundations of our democratic republic. I sincerely hope you’re right and that our system of checks and balances holds up but it’s all a little too close for comfort me. And it’s already started in many quarters.

Now you're slipping into hyperbole.

First of all, we haven't lost any of our democratic republic through recent SCOTUS rulings. You can make an argument about Citizen's if you want, but that was 14 years ago now and we're still hanging in there. Chevron was a problematic ruling when it itself overturned even longer precedent and it's been chipped away at almost since it came down. And Chevron was only needed, or thought to be needed, because Congress has been negligent for decades now when it comes to actually legislating and passing/modifying laws. And Roe and abortion are going to be issues no one will agree on until we have a technological breakthrough and can make artificial wombs that can accept fetuses at conception or soon after. So basically, no time soon.

But what this country is, a free democratic republic, hasn't changed and will not change with four years of a lame-duck Trump presidency. There's no time to do that, and he wouldn't have the means to do that, even if he brings in every sycophant he can find. Courts, like they did in Trump's first round and they've done to Biden as well, will tie up a lot of things. Trump couldn't do a fraction of what he wanted to do on immigration thanks to multiple injunctions, just like Biden hasn't been able to eradicate student debt with a flick of his pen. And if anything, the most current SCOTUS rulings further emphasize that - the Executive branch can't do the work of other branches, most especially the legislative branch. If Congress wants something done they need to pass laws to get those things done. The system of checks and balances are very much in place.

So if the laws and the courts aren't rigged and baking the results of elections, as you contend, then the last thing on your list is media control. No one anywhere could possibly contend that Trump has any control of the media. Fox is one media outlet, and it's always been right of center, and even they weren't lockstep with everything Trump did in his first term. But the wide swath of other media is nowhere close to being able to be controlled by Trump. Heck, given the current controversy with a compliant media hiding much of Biden's infirmities for the past two years, if not longer, all in the hope of keeping him a strong enough candidate to beat Trump in the next election, I would be far more worried about a left-wing takeover of the media than anything Trump could do.

Come 2028, we'll have an election that won't involve Trump or Biden, and we'll have that election, and then one after it every four years, and the democratic republic we have now will endure for years to come. Sometimes Democrats will win, sometimes Republicans will win, and the country will continue. It's fine to be vigilant and protective about our country and its foundations, as long as that doesn't slip into hyperbolic paranoia.

No. What you call it hasn't changed.

The way its done has changed. A lot. With the intent of imposing minority rule.

You must be very young to have not seen it happening over the past 45 years.

[houndawg]

spot on description, nicely done

Oh stop, you can't read more than two sentences an hour, that's your only complaint. We'll have a day when everyone just posts in pictograms so that you can part of the discussion again. We'll keep you posted.

Your uncharacteristic brevity suggests that Monsieur Le kalm scored

[UNI88]

I think the threat is greater than you do Ganny but I also think it isn't nearly as grave as kalm and all of the other chicken littles want to make it out to be.

Sure, that's a valid position. I'm decidedly optimistic on the American nation and the model of government we have. Of course there will be more pessimistic people in that regard. I didn't realize they'd be so pessimistic that they'd stop reading things altogether though.

I think we'll survive a 2nd trump term but there will be significant damage that will take time to overcome. The extent of that damage will depend on trump's ability to gut the bureaucracy and replace key staffers with sycophants as well as how t

kalm also overlooks or approves the negative impacts of the insidious changes that biden has made and proposed that continue to grow the power and size of the government and most importantly, dependence on it.

[Pwns]

This Daily Show segment is epic.

[UNI88]

Oh stop, you can't read more than two sentences an hour, that's your only complaint. We'll have a day when everyone just posts in pictograms so that you can part of the discussion again. We'll keep you posted.

Your uncharacteristic brevity suggests that Monsieur Le kalm scored

Glad you have friends Houndy ...

[UNI88]

This Daily Show segment is epic.

“‘Get On Board Or Shut The Fuck Up’ is not a particularly compelling pro-democracy bumper sticker,” he said.

But Stewart really doesn’t have time for one argument: that it’s too late to change candidates since there are only four months until the election.

• “Four months is for-fucking-ever,” he said and put that timeframe into perspective.
• “Britain just held an election in two months,” he said. “France had two in one month, defeated fascism, and still had time to have an affair with Denmark.”
• “Are you telling me ― you sons of bitches ― are you coming to my house and saying to my face that the United States of Bruce Springsteen’s America can’t hold an election better than the fucking French?” he said. “Is that what you’re telling me? It’s four months. Four months!”

He said he’s not calling Biden to drop out but wants the nation to “stress test” the situation to see what options emerge.

“Do you have any idea how thirsty Americans are for any hint of inspiration or leadership and a release from this choice of a megalomaniac and a suffocating gerontocracy,” he said. “It is crushing our fucking spirits.”

Jon Stewart Shuts Down 1 Of The Biggest Arguments Against Replacing Biden

[GannonFan]

This Daily Show segment is epic.

“‘Get On Board Or Shut The Fuck Up’ is not a particularly compelling pro-democracy bumper sticker,” he said.

But Stewart really doesn’t have time for one argument: that it’s too late to change candidates since there are only four months until the election.

• “Four months is for-fucking-ever,” he said and put that timeframe into perspective.
• “Britain just held an election in two months,” he said. “France had two in one month, defeated fascism, and still had time to have an affair with Denmark.”
• “Are you telling me ― you sons of bitches ― are you coming to my house and saying to my face that the United States of Bruce Springsteen’s America can’t hold an election better than the fucking French?” he said. “Is that what you’re telling me? It’s four months. Four months!”

He said he’s not calling Biden to drop out but wants the nation to “stress test” the situation to see what options emerge.

“Do you have any idea how thirsty Americans are for any hint of inspiration or leadership and a release from this choice of a megalomaniac and a suffocating gerontocracy,” he said. “It is crushing our fucking spirits.”

Jon Stewart Shuts Down 1 Of The Biggest Arguments Against Replacing Biden

I'd vote for Stewart if he ran.

[UNI88]

Jon Stewart Shuts Down 1 Of The Biggest Arguments Against Replacing Biden

I'd vote for Stewart if he ran.

Maher / Stewart ...

[houndawg]

This Daily Show segment is epic.

“‘Get On Board Or Shut The Fuck Up’ is not a particularly compelling pro-democracy bumper sticker,” he said.

But Stewart really doesn’t have time for one argument: that it’s too late to change candidates since there are only four months until the election.

• “Four months is for-fucking-ever,” he said and put that timeframe into perspective.
• “Britain just held an election in two months,” he said. “France had two in one month, defeated fascism, and still had time to have an affair with Denmark.”
• “Are you telling me ― you sons of bitches ― are you coming to my house and saying to my face that the United States of Bruce Springsteen’s America can’t hold an election better than the fucking French?” he said. “Is that what you’re telling me? It’s four months. Four months!”

He said he’s not calling Biden to drop out but wants the nation to “stress test” the situation to see what options emerge.

“Do you have any idea how thirsty Americans are for any hint of inspiration or leadership and a release from this choice of a megalomaniac and a suffocating gerontocracy,” he said. “It is crushing our fucking spirits.”

Jon Stewart Shuts Down 1 Of The Biggest Arguments Against Replacing Biden

I would suggest Harris/Whitmer under the banner "Now Who's Too Old?"

An all-female ticket would send the incels over the edge, and boost female turnout.

Although they could put roadkill on the ticket and I'd vote for it if it were running against trump

[Pwns]

Never Trumpers: Democrats need to pick someone else.
Pogressives: Democrats need to pick someone else.
MAGAs: HAHAHA! You're really going to run Biden?
Foreign Dignitaries: Here's some examples of Biden not paying attention to meetings.

MSM and Washington Democrats: Yeah but we don't want to lose access to the president or hurt our careers by going after Biden!

[kalm]

Never Trumpers: Democrats need to pick someone else.
Pogressives: Democrats need to pick someone else.
MAGAs: HAHAHA! You're really going to run Biden?
Foreign Dignitaries: Here's some examples of Biden not paying attention to meetings.

MSM and Washington Democrats: Yeah but we don't want to lose access to the president or hurt our careers by going after Biden!

Most of the Never Trumpers I’ve seen are protecting Biden. Then again they also mostly MSM and DC.

[kalm]

[UNI88]

Jon Stewart Shuts Down 1 Of The Biggest Arguments Against Replacing Biden

I would suggest Harris/Whitmer under the banner "Now Who's Too Old?"

An all-female ticket would send the incels over the edge, and boost female turnout.

Although they could put roadkill on the ticket and I'd vote for it if it were running against trump

If they keep biden on the ticket you will be.

[BDKJMU]

Lol Biden is every bit the narcissist as Trump. How many of his mostly made up stories the last 4 years he’s told have been all about ‘me’ amd ‘I’. 20, 40, 60+ years ago ‘I did this’, ‘I was that’…

But he isn't a convicted felon or a rapist or a perpetrator of fraud who operates phony charities for veterans and kids with cancer and pockets the donations, so there's that. And he doesn't kowtow to Putin on worldwide TV, that's nice

But Trump is no more of a rapist than Biden. And he doesn’t operate a pay to play influencing enrichment scheme with foreign entities so, there’s that. And he doesn’t bend the knee to China, that’s nice.

[BDKJMU]

I was thinking bigger than that - we're constantly told democracy is at stake in this election, and past ones. Sure, policies and the direction for the country are always impacted by the Presidents in charge. Trump's large tax cut out last time out will surely be with us for awhile along with the debt that it caused. Likewise, Biden's disastrous spending spree caused inflation that will be with us for years to come. Both are bad and both negatively impact our economic future. But no matter who's elected, America will still be a democratic republic 4 years from now and the nation, in that regard, will be unchanged. Neither of these two old guys are going to destroy America in that regard.

We’ve already lost a bit of our democratic republic thanks to recent SCOTUS rulings.

Jan 6th and the fake electors scheme showed a willingness by far too many to subvert the rule of law and the constitution.

Project 2025 takes us further away.

Not just Trump but who he’d pick to administer his desires would increase the threat. And it would be about HIS desires rather than the constitution or will of the people.

The far right has insisted we are not a democracy for years. To them, we are constitutional republic. That’s what Hungary is. People still vote there but the results are baked in through various laws, the courts, and media control. This is literally and transparently the Republican’s very public agenda.

If, as you stated, “policies and the direction for the country are always impacted by the Presidents in charge” those can chip away at the foundations of our democratic republic. I sincerely hope you’re right and that our system of checks and balances holds up but it’s all a little too close for comfort me. And it’s already started in many quarters.

We aren’t a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.

[UNI88]

But he isn't a convicted felon or a rapist or a perpetrator of fraud who operates phony charities for veterans and kids with cancer and pockets the donations, so there's that. And he doesn't kowtow to Putin on worldwide TV, that's nice

But Trump is no more of a rapist than Biden. And he doesn’t operate a pay to play influencing enrichment scheme with foreign entities so, there’s that. And he doesn’t bend the knee to China, that’s nice.

They both sound pretty despicable. What kind of putz could actively support either one?

[kalm]

We’ve already lost a bit of our democratic republic thanks to recent SCOTUS rulings.

Jan 6th and the fake electors scheme showed a willingness by far too many to subvert the rule of law and the constitution.

Project 2025 takes us further away.

Not just Trump but who he’d pick to administer his desires would increase the threat. And it would be about HIS desires rather than the constitution or will of the people.

The far right has insisted we are not a democracy for years. To them, we are constitutional republic. That’s what Hungary is. People still vote there but the results are baked in through various laws, the courts, and media control. This is literally and transparently the Republican’s very public agenda.

If, as you stated, “policies and the direction for the country are always impacted by the Presidents in charge” those can chip away at the foundations of our democratic republic. I sincerely hope you’re right and that our system of checks and balances holds up but it’s all a little too close for comfort me. And it’s already started in many quarters.

We aren’t a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.

Wrong. ( )

We both. Or if you’d prefer, a constitutionally limited democratic republic.

It’s ok, I know you don’t like democracy.

[kalm]

But Trump is no more of a rapist than Biden. And he doesn’t operate a pay to play influencing enrichment scheme with foreign entities so, there’s that. And he doesn’t bend the knee to China, that’s nice.

They both sound pretty despicable. What kind of putz could actively support either one?

One is verifiably worse with zero convictions.

[Caribbean Hen]

They both sound pretty despicable. What kind of putz could actively support either one?

One is verifiably worse with zero convictions.

So Trump is your guy