The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Swell guys. Joey Rotten and Zelensky allowed an American citizen to be killed in a Ukrainian jail simply because they were being criticized.

[houndawg]

We're:
- weakening a global rival
- defending the freedom and existence of Ukraine as a nation and a people
- attempting to keep Europe's breadbasket from falling into a dictator's hands

All without sacrificing American lives.

NeoCon88 ...

How exactly are we weakening Russia? Looking for metrics here to back up your claims, not speculation.

Their military has been exposed, they've had to resort to filling their ranks from prisons, morale is in the toilet, their talent is fleeing the country by the tens of thousands- the cream of which is certain to be picked up by western business and gubmint, they're now beholden to China and North Korea and Iran to keep up their invasion- forced to buy back high-dud-rate surplus ammo they'd dumped on NK years ago at a premium with money borrowed from the Chinese.... all this shit instead of the US abandoning NATO and leaving Europe for the asking....all proof that nobody touches the shit-soaked tar-baby that is Trump and comes away undiminished

[SeattleGriz]

How exactly are we weakening Russia? Looking for metrics here to back up your claims, not speculation.

Their military has been exposed, they've had to resort to filling their ranks from prisons, morale is in the toilet, their talent is fleeing the country by the tens of thousands- the cream of which is certain to be picked up by western business and gubmint, they're now beholden to China and North Korea and Iran to keep up their invasion- forced to buy back high-dud-rate surplus ammo they'd dumped on NK years ago at a premium with money borrowed from the Chinese.... all this shit instead of the US abandoning NATO and leaving Europe for the asking....all proof that nobody touches the shit-soaked tar-baby that is Trump and comes away undiminished

Thank you for trying.

[Caribbean Hen]

Pfft. The Pentagon can’t account for a missing $1.9 trillion in their 2023 audit. They passed 7 out of 29 sub-audits.

I stopped wondering where it went a few years ago when I watched a satellite make a 90 degree turn and accelerate

1998
The JFK Jr search ?

[houndawg]

I stopped wondering where it went a few years ago when I watched a satellite make a 90 degree turn and accelerate

1998
The JFK Jr search ?

closer to 2018, during the time of the big planetary event.

[BDKJMU]

Right up there with the crowd that took seriously a comment about an island tipping over....

You don't know Hank Johnson...he was serious.

And nearly 2 years later Densesawg is still stuck on stupid..

[Caribbean Hen]

More money to The Ukraine guarantees

Thousands more dead on each side

More destruction for the rebuild

For a conflict the Ukraine can’t win on their own

How long will it continue until the inevitable is reached?

and that is NATO and the US has to go into the Ukraine to fight the Russians….

It should’ve been negotiated from the start but obviously there’s too much profit to be made

[kalm]

More money to The Ukraine guarantees

Thousands more dead on each side

More destruction for the rebuild

For a conflict the Ukraine can’t win on their own

How long will it continue until the inevitable is reached?

and that is NATO and the US has to go into the Ukraine to fight the Russians….

It should’ve been negotiated from the start but obviously there’s too much profit to be made

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

[Caribbean Hen]

More money to The Ukraine guarantees

Thousands more dead on each side

More destruction for the rebuild

For a conflict the Ukraine can’t win on their own

How long will it continue until the inevitable is reached?

and that is NATO and the US has to go into the Ukraine to fight the Russians….

It should’ve been negotiated from the start but obviously there’s too much profit to be made

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Of course you negotiate, giving a little now can save American lives later. If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

The red herring is we will inherit the financial burden of the entire Ukraine population for the next century .. Puerto Krania

How many decades will it take to weaken Russia? The Ukraine will run out of men before that happens

Biden’s proxy war is crushing the Ukraine minus the handful who are profiting Big with your tax dollars

[kalm]

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Of course you negotiate, giving a little now can save American lives later. If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

The red herring is we will inherit the financial burden of the entire Ukraine population for the next century .. Puerto Krania

How many decades will it take to weaken Russia? The Ukraine will run out of men before that happens

Biden’s proxy war is crushing the Ukraine minus the handful who are profiting Big with your tax dollars

Did Biden invade Russia? Are treaties worthless?

[Skjellyfetti]

If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain
from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that
none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine
except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with
the Charter of the United Nations.

https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/fil ... 1645824948

[Caribbean Hen]

Of course you negotiate, giving a little now can save American lives later. If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

The red herring is we will inherit the financial burden of the entire Ukraine population for the next century .. Puerto Krania

How many decades will it take to weaken Russia? The Ukraine will run out of men before that happens

Biden’s proxy war is crushing the Ukraine minus the handful who are profiting Big with your tax dollars

Did Biden invade Russia? Are treaties worthless?

Treaties are pretty much worthless but you would need one in place to be able to rightfully kick Russian ass if they violated it

“Did Biden invade Russia?” Why do you ask ?

[kalm]

Did Biden invade Russia? Are treaties worthless?

Treaties are pretty much worthless but you would need one in place to be able to rightfully kick Russian ass if they violated it

“Did Biden invade Russia?” Why do you ask ?

Because you named it Biden’s proxy war. No one wanted Russia to invade Ukraine except Putin sympathizers within Russia. Before and once it happened, certain US politicians and political operatives supported it.

Russia instigated this, full stop.

[Caribbean Hen]

Treaties are pretty much worthless but you would need one in place to be able to rightfully kick Russian ass if they violated it

“Did Biden invade Russia?” Why do you ask ?

Because you named it Biden’s proxy war. No one wanted Russia to invade Ukraine except Putin sympathizers within Russia. Before and once it happened, certain US politicians and political operatives supported it.

Russia instigated this, full stop.

What was the NATO response in 2014?

What was Obamas response? He gave Ukraine some money?

So you’re saying it’s not Biden’s proxy war against Russia being financed by the U.S. and Ukraine lives? I ask because I’m not sure what you’re saying

I just don’t see any of this working to defeat Russia and if that is really the goal, we will have to do it by getting our hands dirty… not good

This conflict needs to end

[houndawg]

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Of course you negotiate, giving a little now can save American lives later. If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

The red herring is we will inherit the financial burden of the entire Ukraine population for the next century .. Puerto Krania

How many decades will it take to weaken Russia? The Ukraine will run out of men before that happens

Biden’s proxy war is crushing the Ukraine minus the handful who are profiting Big with your tax dollars

What a halfwit... Neville ChamberHen


For a guy who by his admission is bigly street-wise you don't seem to know much about the results of appeasing bullies

[houndawg]

Because you named it Biden’s proxy war. No one wanted Russia to invade Ukraine except Putin sympathizers within Russia. Before and once it happened, certain US politicians and political operatives supported it.

Russia instigated this, full stop.

What was the NATO response in 2014?

What was Obamas response? He gave Ukraine some money?

So you’re saying it’s not Biden’s proxy war against Russia being financed by the U.S. and Ukraine lives? I ask because I’m not sure what you’re saying

I just don’t see any of this working to defeat Russia and if that is really the goal, we will have to do it by getting our hands dirty… not good

This conflict needs to end

You have to be playing dumb on purpose. I hope.

It's like this, son: when someone invades your country, you fight.

Don't make it more complicated than it is

[Caribbean Hen]

Of course you negotiate, giving a little now can save American lives later. If Putin shows any hint of not honoring a treaty on the Ukraine then you crush Russia.

The red herring is we will inherit the financial burden of the entire Ukraine population for the next century .. Puerto Krania

How many decades will it take to weaken Russia? The Ukraine will run out of men before that happens

Biden’s proxy war is crushing the Ukraine minus the handful who are profiting Big with your tax dollars

What a halfwit... Neville ChamberHen


For a guy who by his admission is bigly street-wise you don't seem to know much about the results of appeasing bullies

You offered nothing

What’s the end game

[SeattleGriz]

Treaties are pretty much worthless but you would need one in place to be able to rightfully kick Russian ass if they violated it

“Did Biden invade Russia?” Why do you ask ?

Because you named it Biden’s proxy war. No one wanted Russia to invade Ukraine except Putin sympathizers within Russia. Before and once it happened, certain US politicians and political operatives supported it.

Russia instigated this, full stop.

Holy shit. You need to go back to school. The Biden administration admitted their whole goal in implementing the Minsk agreement was to build up and attack Russia.

The US fucked around and unfortunately Ukraine found out.

If this war wasn't wanted, why did the US scuttle the multiple peace agreements and plans?

Double full stop.

[Caribbean Hen]

What was the NATO response in 2014?

What was Obamas response? He gave Ukraine some money?

So you’re saying it’s not Biden’s proxy war against Russia being financed by the U.S. and Ukraine lives? I ask because I’m not sure what you’re saying

I just don’t see any of this working to defeat Russia and if that is really the goal, we will have to do it by getting our hands dirty… not good

This conflict needs to end

You have to be playing dumb on purpose. I hope.

It's like this, son: when someone invades your country, you fight.

Don't make it more complicated than it is

What the heck are you even talking about… you sound like Biden at his yearly press conference…. Dazed and confused

First of all, nobody has invaded the US since when? Never

Do you think this younger generation is going to fight?

Do you believe the military is stronger now then it was 30 years ago? It’s not

The Ukraine is not gonna defeat Russia the way we’re trying to go about it now, so what do you think is going to ultimately happen?

[SeattleGriz]

More money to The Ukraine guarantees

Thousands more dead on each side

More destruction for the rebuild

For a conflict the Ukraine can’t win on their own

How long will it continue until the inevitable is reached?

and that is NATO and the US has to go into the Ukraine to fight the Russians….

It should’ve been negotiated from the start but obviously there’s too much profit to be made

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Only guys who've never served and have no skin in the game are alright with sending hundreds of thousands young men to their death to sharpen a country's military and industry.

Klam Romney.

[UNI88]

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Only guys who've never served and have no skin in the game are alright with sending hundreds of thousands young men to their death to sharpen a country's military and industry.

Klam Romney.

You're assuming that these men won't fight and die if US aid is stopped. It's entirely possible that they see this as a fight for Ukraine's very existence and that they'll server their country and fight anyway.

More could die without US assistance than with it.

[kalm]

You don’t negotiate with authoritarian aggressors. Much less compliment or encourage them.

The expense is a red herring. It’s cost us comparatively little in aid to seriously diminish Russia’s military capability.

Only Russian loving, democracy hating, sheep see otherwise.

Only guys who've never served and have no skin in the game are alright with sending hundreds of thousands young men to their death to sharpen a country's military and industry.

Klam Romney.

Had to post twice about this, Slappy?

Only a Russian troll would want to deny UKR the aid theyre asking for.

Seattlegrizopov.

[SeattleGriz]

Only guys who've never served and have no skin in the game are alright with sending hundreds of thousands young men to their death to sharpen a country's military and industry.

Klam Romney.

Had to post twice about this, Slappy?

Only a Russian troll would want to deny UKR the aid theyre asking for.

Seattlegrizopov.

If it means so much to you, how about you offer up your kids to go fight?

[Caribbean Hen]

Only guys who've never served and have no skin in the game are alright with sending hundreds of thousands young men to their death to sharpen a country's military and industry.

Klam Romney.

You're assuming that these men won't fight and die if US aid is stopped. It's entirely possible that they see this as a fight for Ukraine's very existence and that they'll server their country and fight anyway.

More could die without US assistance than with it.

Sounds like you agree with me that the US approach is not going to work

[Caribbean Hen]

Had to post twice about this, Slappy?

Only a Russian troll would want to deny UKR the aid theyre asking for.

Seattlegrizopov.

If it means so much to you, how about you offer up your kids to go fight?

Exactly