2022 Elections Thread

[houndawg]

And you can only have faith in the process if you win

Indeed. The Dems have been decrying the process for years now - 2000, 2004, 2016 - all years where the process failed (and coincidentally they lost). Electoral college, the Constitution, etc, all things that to those folks, especially those who voted in Congress to void the election results, think are part of a failed process. No one likes to lose apparently.

Some man up when it happens. Others are Republicans.

[GannonFan]

Indeed. The Dems have been decrying the process for years now - 2000, 2004, 2016 - all years where the process failed (and coincidentally they lost). Electoral college, the Constitution, etc, all things that to those folks, especially those who voted in Congress to void the election results, think are part of a failed process. No one likes to lose apparently.

Some man up when it happens. Others are Republicans.

I'm pretty sure Gore was the Democratic candidate. As was Stacey Abrams. As were really most of the players in the Russian collusion hoax initiative. Granted, maybe these folks were secret Republicans, I'm just going by what they publicly said and associated themselves with.

[UNI88]

Indeed. The Dems have been decrying the process for years now - 2000, 2004, 2016 - all years where the process failed (and coincidentally they lost). Electoral college, the Constitution, etc, all things that to those folks, especially those who voted in Congress to void the election results, think are part of a failed process. No one likes to lose apparently.

Some man up when it happens. Others are Republicans.

I didn't realize that Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were Republicans.

[houndawg]

Some man up when it happens. Others are Republicans.

I didn't realize that Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were Republicans.

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

[houndawg]

Some man up when it happens. Others are Republicans.

I'm pretty sure Gore was the Democratic candidate. As was Stacey Abrams. As were really most of the players in the Russian collusion hoax initiative. Granted, maybe these folks were secret Republicans, I'm just going by what they publicly said and associated themselves with.

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

[UNI88]

I didn't realize that Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were Republicans.

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

I'm pretty sure Gore was the Democratic candidate. As was Stacey Abrams. As were really most of the players in the Russian collusion hoax initiative. Granted, maybe these folks were secret Republicans, I'm just going by what they publicly said and associated themselves with.

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

[kalm]

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

I’m guessing nearly all close elections have sore losers regardless of party.

[GannonFan]

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

I’m guessing nearly all close elections have sore losers regardless of party.

Or even elections that weren't all that close like with Trump in 2020. I mean, Gore only had to flip Florida to get that election to go his way, hence why he started cherry picking counties in Florida to recount to "find" those votes. Trump, even if he found the votes in Georgia, still would've needed a few other states. But yes, close elections make the losers all of a sudden think of crazy things to make themselves feel better about the loss.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm pretty sure Gore was the Democratic candidate. As was Stacey Abrams. As were really most of the players in the Russian collusion hoax initiative. Granted, maybe these folks were secret Republicans, I'm just going by what they publicly said and associated themselves with.

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

Hillary Clinton never shut up about her stolen election for four straight years.

[houndawg]

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

Weak af.

huge difference between being sore over stopping the count early and hanging Mike Pence.

[houndawg]

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

Hillary Clinton never shut up about her stolen election for four straight years.

but she never attempted a coup, and besides, the karma was so beautiful - her getting hosed in exactly the same manner in the general as Bernie got hosed in the primary....

[houndawg]

I rest my case. "principled". "a conservative's conservative". She's perfectly fine with lying to people. just don't call her dad mean names.

JSO's response right after yours made me

I don't believe that Cheney is "somehow altruistic" or a "principled savior". She's a neocon and I trust her about as far as I could throw trump. She has however sacrificed her political career in going after trump. She doesn't stand a chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination or of winning as an independent/3rd party candidate in 2024. She might get a cushy job on K Street or similar though.

Why did she have a vendetta? What mean thing did trump say about her dad that would have caused this? I see that trotted out as a reason for her "vendetta" but no links to actual statements. Is it really the cause or a trumpian deflection?

That isn't her definition of success - her definition of success is Trump not returning to power. And, imo, her running as an Independent would get the largest third-party voter share since Ross Perot - most all of it from Never Trumpers and Bernie Bros and enough for both Parties to worry.

[UNI88]

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

Weak af.

huge difference between being sore over stopping the count early and hanging Mike Pence.

Here we go again with the "they're a lot worse than us" rationalization for poor behavior.

The extreme right and extreme left share a penchant for nitpicking and deflecting. Why don't you try to condemn both sides for their bad behavior rather than trying to rationalize why your side's isn't as bad as the opposing side's?

[JohnStOnge]

I think that he is indeed a fascist if you go with this definition of facism from https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism:



I think that is definitely what Trump wants, with him as the dictator.

This is why former pseudo-republicans who think like you, Liz and Dick Cheney, SE Cupp, the idiots at the Pedo Project, Bulwark, etc. are so unstable and dangerous to society.

Instead of showing common sense by being principled in your beliefs and being anti-Trump (the two certainly aren't mutually exclusive), you sold your souls to the ghouls on the Left.

Do you seriously thing that Trump would not behave as a fascist if he thought he could get away with it? The guy entertained imposing martial law to overturn the election. Do you really doubt that happened? And do you doubt he'd have done it if he could have and gotten away with it?

[JohnStOnge]

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

Hillary Clinton never shut up about her stolen election for four straight years.

Hillary Clinton gave a concession speech during which she told her supporters this:

We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power.

We don't just respect that. We cherish it. It also enshrines the rule of law; the principle we are all equal in rights and dignity; freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these values, too, and we must defend them.

People on the right really need to stop this stuff of trying to claim that the Democrats have ever had anybody as bad as Trump. They haven't.

[JohnStOnge]

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

I don't remember Al Gore asking election officials to "..find me 11,780 votes.."

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

After the Supreme Court made its decision, Gore stood down and gave a concession speech. He also, as Vice President, rejected a handful of challenges to Electors. Hillary Clinton made a concession speech during which she stressed the importance of accepting the result and the peaceful transition of power.

This stuff of acting like ANYBODY has done ANYTHING close to the kinds of stuff Trump has done is just ridiculous. We've never had anything even remotely close to it before him. It's not a "pox on both their houses" thing. Trump is historically corrupt and historically destructive. There are no real comparisons.

[AZGrizFan]

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

After the Supreme Court made its decision, Gore stood down and gave a concession speech. He also, as Vice President, rejected a handful of challenges to Electors. Hillary Clinton made a concession speech during which she stressed the importance of accepting the result and the peaceful transition of power.

And then her and her party spent the next 4 years bitching about how the election was stolen from her. So yeah, it IS a pox on both houses.

[AZGrizFan]

Hillary Clinton never shut up about her stolen election for four straight years.

Hillary Clinton gave a concession speech during which she told her supporters this:

We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power.

We don't just respect that. We cherish it. It also enshrines the rule of law; the principle we are all equal in rights and dignity; freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these values, too, and we must defend them.

People on the right really need to stop this stuff of trying to claim that the Democrats have ever had anybody as bad as Trump. They haven't.

Lol. “Give him a chance to lead”. Yeah, they had implemented impeachment proceedings before the guy even took office!

[GannonFan]

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

After the Supreme Court made its decision, Gore stood down and gave a concession speech. He also, as Vice President, rejected a handful of challenges to Electors. Hillary Clinton made a concession speech during which she stressed the importance of accepting the result and the peaceful transition of power.

This stuff of acting like ANYBODY has done ANYTHING close to the kinds of stuff Trump has done is just ridiculous. We've never had anything even remotely close to it before him. It's not a "pox on both their houses" thing. Trump is historically corrupt and historically destructive. There are no real comparisons.

Stop it. Gore didn't concede as much as he said he didn't agree with the decision and they were out of options. And the party then carried that for the next 4 years saying that Bush was a fraudulent President (remember those "end of an error" bumper stickers?). It didn't rise to the level of a violent mob, but it certainly cast a pall on our political process and the setup of government itself. Stacey Abrams still hasn't conceded the last gubernatorial election in Georgia (said the vote was stolen) and she's a party star. And as much as Trump's despicable actions were leading up to 1/6 and the violent mob that happened as a result, it was just a more immediate and more bumbling and more violent attempt at a coup as to what happened in the aftermath of the the 2016 election when a sitting administration did everything they could to hamper the incoming administration (not sure that's ever happened before in US history other than Adam's midnight appointments (which Jefferson pretty much undid) and the Clinton folks stealing the "W's" from keyboards when they left) and that carried into at least 2 years of non-stop investigations and politicking trying to overturn the vote in 2016. We're in crappy times because we've had both parties in power conduct themselves poorly and have been more interested in holding on to power rather than doing something good with it.

[Baldy]

You're nitpicking like BDK. They might not have instigated a mob takeover of the Capitol or asked someone to find votes but they were sore losers who couldn't handle losing. They did not "man up".

After the Supreme Court made its decision, Gore stood down and gave a concession speech. He also, as Vice President, rejected a handful of challenges to Electors. Hillary Clinton made a concession speech during which she stressed the importance of accepting the result and the peaceful transition of power.

This stuff of acting like ANYBODY has done ANYTHING close to the kinds of stuff Trump has done is just ridiculous. We've never had anything even remotely close to it before him. It's not a "pox on both their houses" thing. Trump is historically corrupt and historically destructive. There are no real comparisons.

As I said, you are unstable and dangerous to a free society. Totally oblivious even when it comes directly from their mouths, you choose to deny reality.

[Baldy]

I didn't realize that Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were Republicans.

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

How dumb do you have to be to believe that a president would order a coup with a couple hundred unarmed rednecks?

[GannonFan]

After the Supreme Court made its decision, Gore stood down and gave a concession speech. He also, as Vice President, rejected a handful of challenges to Electors. Hillary Clinton made a concession speech during which she stressed the importance of accepting the result and the peaceful transition of power.

This stuff of acting like ANYBODY has done ANYTHING close to the kinds of stuff Trump has done is just ridiculous. We've never had anything even remotely close to it before him. It's not a "pox on both their houses" thing. Trump is historically corrupt and historically destructive. There are no real comparisons.

As I said, you are unstable and dangerous to a free society. Totally oblivious even when it comes directly from their mouths, you choose to deny reality.

Hey, I'm a guy who will never vote for Trump, but it's mind boggling that people completely forget how the Democrats reacted to the 2016 election (yes, all those things were said, by way too many Democrats, that the election was "stolen"), both in the immediate aftermath as well as the next 4 years of Trump's presidency. Did everything they could (including a sitting administration purposely hamstringing an incoming administration) to hobble and hopefully throw out that administration (so in effect, overturn the election) as some kind of long-game, soft coup attempt. Just because Trump is a despicable human being does not in anyway justify that disregard for democracy and for our system of government.

I think the media campaign to call Trump's hissy-fit after the 2020 election as "The Big Lie" was also an attempt to make sure that people forgot the whole bunch of "smaller" lies that the Democrats and media cohorts peddled over 4+ years that the election in 2016 was stolen and Trump was illegitimate, with no proof or evidence of course.

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't realize that they were sore losers that attempted a coup

How dumb do you have to be to believe that a president would order a coup with a couple hundred unarmed rednecks?

well, this may have been a rhetorical question but the left has proven time and time again just how dumb they really are.

[Baldy]

As I said, you are unstable and dangerous to a free society. Totally oblivious even when it comes directly from their mouths, you choose to deny reality.

Hey, I'm a guy who will never vote for Trump, but it's mind boggling that people completely forget how the Democrats reacted to the 2016 election (yes, all those things were said, by way too many Democrats, that the election was "stolen"), both in the immediate aftermath as well as the next 4 years of Trump's presidency. Did everything they could (including a sitting administration purposely hamstringing an incoming administration) to hobble and hopefully throw out that administration (so in effect, overturn the election) as some kind of long-game, soft coup attempt. Just because Trump is a despicable human being does not in anyway justify that disregard for democracy and for our system of government.

I think the media campaign to call Trump's hissy-fit after the 2020 election as "The Big Lie" was also an attempt to make sure that people forgot the whole bunch of "smaller" lies that the Democrats and media cohorts peddled over 4+ years that the election in 2016 was stolen and Trump was illegitimate, with no proof or evidence of course.

It's not just 2016 or 2020.

As you saw in the video, this goes allllll the way back to 2000. The Donks had a 20 year head start on election denying and it didn't seem to be a problem until Trump.

[GannonFan]

Hey, I'm a guy who will never vote for Trump, but it's mind boggling that people completely forget how the Democrats reacted to the 2016 election (yes, all those things were said, by way too many Democrats, that the election was "stolen"), both in the immediate aftermath as well as the next 4 years of Trump's presidency. Did everything they could (including a sitting administration purposely hamstringing an incoming administration) to hobble and hopefully throw out that administration (so in effect, overturn the election) as some kind of long-game, soft coup attempt. Just because Trump is a despicable human being does not in anyway justify that disregard for democracy and for our system of government.

I think the media campaign to call Trump's hissy-fit after the 2020 election as "The Big Lie" was also an attempt to make sure that people forgot the whole bunch of "smaller" lies that the Democrats and media cohorts peddled over 4+ years that the election in 2016 was stolen and Trump was illegitimate, with no proof or evidence of course.

It's not just 2016 or 2020.

As you saw in the video, this goes allllll the way back to 2000. The Donks had a 20 year head start on election denying and it didn't seem to be a problem until Trump.

I don't disagree. Gore should've been pilloried for his behavior after that election and his fishing for votes, instead he was lionized. All depends on if the guy (or woman) doing the election denying is on your side or not.