UND vs MONTANA??

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm sure he's already started a thread on Bisonville to get some back up on this site.

I will start then.

UND +1
NDSU -1

[polsongrizz]

Idaho had a heyday

They were a top team in the BSC and making the playoffs and every time I was there (3) they were packed and noisy. Of course I was only there when the Griz were there so that may have had something to do with it.

Yep

[TwinTownBisonFan]

who the fvck let Lakes in??? I LIKE that this board is bereft of "typical NDSU message board fans" I'd like to think I've worked hard to counter the reputation that so many SU posters in the old country built... :-/

as for the bet griza - If I was in better financial shape, I'd take it, and by the time this bet comes to fruition - I likely will be. So I'll make you this bet - I prefer ballcaps, you wager a griz cap, I wager a bison one.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

who the fvck let Lakes in??? I LIKE that this board is bereft of "typical NDSU message board fans" I'd like to think I've worked hard to counter the reputation that so many SU posters in the old country built... :-/

as for the bet griza - If I was in better financial shape, I'd take it, and by the time this bet comes to fruition - I likely will be. So I'll make you this bet - I prefer ballcaps, you wager a griz cap, I wager a bison one.

Don't worry TT the barnacles on NDSU's ship won't detact from the tone of decency that you, Gil, and BB have set on the board. I would include NDSUFreak but he don't post nomo.

Any slack jawed fuck ups from you alma mater will be beaten into verbal submission. They are too forgettable to mention but we'll know em' when we see em'.

[grizzaholic]

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[Tailbone]

MONTANA IS SCARED OF NDSU period.

I like how they are going to pick on the little sisters of the north.

GO GRIZ!! u sissie's.

Some (not all) of you Bison fans are funny.

The year was 2003, the worst Griz team in a decade (perhaps longer).
Rookie (backup) QB, rookie coach (not just first year as UM head coach – first HC job anywhere) who thought that with a 3 TD lead he could run out the clock in the whole second half with 2nd stringers (at least to start - he did put starters back on the field as the 2nd half progressed) and a miss by the most prolific field goal kicker in I-AA history (until supplanted by his successor) were keys to a Bison victory.
2003 also happens to be the year Bison fans saw the great Bison lose to St. Cloud and the lowly UND team scheduled to play Montana in 2010. It’s also the year that NDSU barely finished the season in the top 25 of Div. II. Hardly awe inspiring.

The Bison were overlooked with SHSU and Idaho next on the schedule.

That’s called a perfect storm, a trap game.

Kudos to the Bison. They did win, deservedly so.
But realistically, there was nothing there to cause the kind of concern (fear?) that some Bison fans are so quick to assign to the UM program. That’s just some Bison fans (like the idiot quoted) demonstrating a healthy dose of Griz envy.
You irrational Bison fans (note the exclusion of rational Bison fans) really do need to get over yourselves.
You don’t have the Div.1 record (yet) to think that you are all that deserving of fear by any D1 program.
You won, be satisfied with that – some of you guys act as though that is the most significant win in the history of NDSU football and serves notice to all FCS to fear the mighty Bison. How pathetic.

Don’t worry, some day NDSU may have no reason to envy the UM and Griz fans.
Gotta do better than 6 win seasons though.

Until then………well, it does provide some comic relief.

[MrTitleist]

Welcome, lakesbison!

Fuck lakesbison. He's a troll. Banned on every board he posts on.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Welcome, lakesbison!

Fuck lakesbison. He's a troll. Banned on every board he posts on.

Good then we have a new punching bag to pound the living shit out of.

[GOKATS]

**** lakesbison. He's a troll. Banned on every board he posts on.

Good then we have a new punching bag to pound the living **** out of.

Great!! Just fucking great!! Now I not only have to hate all the fucking griz posters I have to add a fucking NDSU poster! Fucking great!!

[dbackjon]

Welcome, lakesbison!

Fuck lakesbison. He's a troll. Banned on every board he posts on.

I have no experience with him.



And all are welcome until they prove on here they are douches.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

MONTANA IS SCARED OF NDSU period.

I like how they are going to pick on the little sisters of the north.

GO GRIZ!! u sissie's.

Some (not all) of you Bison fans are funny.

The year was 2003, the worst Griz team in a decade (perhaps longer).
Rookie (backup) QB, rookie coach (not just first year as UM head coach – first HC job anywhere) who thought that with a 3 TD lead he could run out the clock in the whole second half with 2nd stringers (at least to start - he did put starters back on the field as the 2nd half progressed) and a miss by the most prolific field goal kicker in I-AA history (until supplanted by his successor) were keys to a Bison victory.
2003 also happens to be the year Bison fans saw the great Bison lose to St. Cloud and the lowly UND team scheduled to play Montana in 2010. It’s also the year that NDSU barely finished the season in the top 25 of Div. II. Hardly awe inspiring.

The Bison were overlooked with SHSU and Idaho next on the schedule.

That’s called a perfect storm, a trap game.

Kudos to the Bison. They did win, deservedly so.
But realistically, there was nothing there to cause the kind of concern (fear?) that some Bison fans are so quick to assign to the UM program. That’s just some Bison fans (like the idiot quoted) demonstrating a healthy dose of Griz envy.
You irrational Bison fans (note the exclusion of rational Bison fans) really do need to get over yourselves.
You don’t have the Div.1 record (yet) to think that you are all that deserving of fear by any D1 program.
You won, be satisfied with that – some of you guys act as though that is the most significant win in the history of NDSU football and serves notice to all FCS to fear the mighty Bison. How pathetic.

Don’t worry, some day NDSU may have no reason to envy the UM and Griz fans.
Gotta do better than 6 win seasons though.

Until then………well, it does provide some comic relief.

... not to be a "typical" Bison fan, but to provide a different perspective (from someone who was at NDSU when the Montana Miracle happened) here's how that event is viewed from over here.

We were a top-flight D-II school in a power conference, we were set to play Maine in a "prove it" game in 2001, but it was canceled after 9-11. (i think maine was coming to us oddly, but i may be wrong)

So in 2003, after a disastrous 2002 season, the Bison roll in to Zoo town largely ignored by the Griz fans (for cause perhaps, but nontheless) and shock the shit out of the 1-AA and D-2 worlds with a win for the ages. An embarrassing loss for the Griz, but a largely forgettable event in Montana history... however, in Fargo, it changed EVERYTHING.

A year before (in Sept. of '02) NDSU opted to transition to Division 1 along with SDSU (and following Northern Colorado by a year) - a move that was responded to with mockery and derision throughout the region. (I know I personally was brutal about it back then and very publicly) In that year, quiet assurances of an offer of Big Sky membership slid off the table and it seemed very much linked to that game. Nerves were raw in Fargo, and Bison fans, and NDSU administration was feeling jilted and embarrassed by the whole process.

With that win in Missoula, not only was their vindication that NDSU could in fact compete with I-AA powerhouse programs, but that even with far fewer scholarships at that point, they could win. It was a bright moment in a very dark time. A year later, NDSU began the transition, without a real conference home (having to concoct the GWFC with other schools) and until January of '06 there was relatively little to get too excited about. For a University accustomed to success in athletics... that's a long time to wait, so I think the legend grew in the minds of Bison fans and the whole process with Big Sky seemed tied to that one game... whether it was real or not.

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

however, and i think this bears noting... you were dealing with 6 or 7 years of pent up smack from a collection of fans who can talk plenty even when they haven't been forced to hold it in. You were dealing with the chip on the collective shoulder of a fan base with a long memory and a bitterness about being spurned by the Big Sky. (which, true or not, I think will always be controlled by Montana in the minds of Bison fans) and therefore forced to spend the transition years in the wilderness... all because of the Miracle in Montana... I'm not saying it's accurate, I'm not really even saying it's fair or justified... I'm just offering a different view of one event and what it meant to a different group of fans in a different place.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Some (not all) of you Bison fans are funny.

The year was 2003, the worst Griz team in a decade (perhaps longer).
Rookie (backup) QB, rookie coach (not just first year as UM head coach – first HC job anywhere) who thought that with a 3 TD lead he could run out the clock in the whole second half with 2nd stringers (at least to start - he did put starters back on the field as the 2nd half progressed) and a miss by the most prolific field goal kicker in I-AA history (until supplanted by his successor) were keys to a Bison victory.
2003 also happens to be the year Bison fans saw the great Bison lose to St. Cloud and the lowly UND team scheduled to play Montana in 2010. It’s also the year that NDSU barely finished the season in the top 25 of Div. II. Hardly awe inspiring.

The Bison were overlooked with SHSU and Idaho next on the schedule.

That’s called a perfect storm, a trap game.

Kudos to the Bison. They did win, deservedly so.
But realistically, there was nothing there to cause the kind of concern (fear?) that some Bison fans are so quick to assign to the UM program. That’s just some Bison fans (like the idiot quoted) demonstrating a healthy dose of Griz envy.
You irrational Bison fans (note the exclusion of rational Bison fans) really do need to get over yourselves.
You don’t have the Div.1 record (yet) to think that you are all that deserving of fear by any D1 program.
You won, be satisfied with that – some of you guys act as though that is the most significant win in the history of NDSU football and serves notice to all FCS to fear the mighty Bison. How pathetic.

Don’t worry, some day NDSU may have no reason to envy the UM and Griz fans.
Gotta do better than 6 win seasons though.

Until then………well, it does provide some comic relief.

... not to be a "typical" Bison fan, but to provide a different perspective (from someone who was at NDSU when the Montana Miracle happened) here's how that event is viewed from over here.

We were a top-flight D-II school in a power conference, we were set to play Maine in a "prove it" game in 2001, but it was canceled after 9-11. (i think maine was coming to us oddly, but i may be wrong)

So in 2003, after a disastrous 2002 season, the Bison roll in to Zoo town largely ignored by the Griz fans (for cause perhaps, but nontheless) and shock the shit out of the 1-AA and D-2 worlds with a win for the ages. An embarrassing loss for the Griz, but a largely forgettable event in Montana history... however, in Fargo, it changed EVERYTHING.

A year before (in Sept. of '02) NDSU opted to transition to Division 1 along with SDSU (and following Northern Colorado by a year) - a move that was responded to with mockery and derision throughout the region. (I know I personally was brutal about it back then and very publicly) In that year, quiet assurances of an offer of Big Sky membership slid off the table and it seemed very much linked to that game. Nerves were raw in Fargo, and Bison fans, and NDSU administration was feeling jilted and embarrassed by the whole process.

With that win in Missoula, not only was their vindication that NDSU could in fact compete with I-AA powerhouse programs, but that even with far fewer scholarships at that point, they could win. It was a bright moment in a very dark time. A year later, NDSU began the transition, without a real conference home (having to concoct the GWFC with other schools) and until January of '06 there was relatively little to get too excited about. For a University accustomed to success in athletics... that's a long time to wait, so I think the legend grew in the minds of Bison fans and the whole process with Big Sky seemed tied to that one game... whether it was real or not.

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

however, and i think this bears noting... you were dealing with 6 or 7 years of pent up smack from a collection of fans who can talk plenty even when they haven't been forced to hold it in. You were dealing with the chip on the collective shoulder of a fan base with a long memory and a bitterness about being spurned by the Big Sky. (which, true or not, I think will always be controlled by Montana in the minds of Bison fans) and therefore forced to spend the transition years in the wilderness... all because of the Miracle in Montana... I'm not saying it's accurate, I'm not really even saying it's fair or justified... I'm just offering a different view of one event and what it meant to a different group of fans in a different place.

Very well put TT. A nice and coherent description. I just don't know how anyone can blame Montana for them not getting into the BSC when they look at how the vote went down. We have one vote on the subject.

[UNI88]

... not to be a "typical" Bison fan, but to provide a different perspective (from someone who was at NDSU when the Montana Miracle happened) here's how that event is viewed from over here.

We were a top-flight D-II school in a power conference, we were set to play Maine in a "prove it" game in 2001, but it was canceled after 9-11. (i think maine was coming to us oddly, but i may be wrong)

So in 2003, after a disastrous 2002 season, the Bison roll in to Zoo town largely ignored by the Griz fans (for cause perhaps, but nontheless) and shock the **** out of the 1-AA and D-2 worlds with a win for the ages. An embarrassing loss for the Griz, but a largely forgettable event in Montana history... however, in Fargo, it changed EVERYTHING.

A year before (in Sept. of '02) NDSU opted to transition to Division 1 along with SDSU (and following Northern Colorado by a year) - a move that was responded to with mockery and derision throughout the region. (I know I personally was brutal about it back then and very publicly) In that year, quiet assurances of an offer of Big Sky membership slid off the table and it seemed very much linked to that game. Nerves were raw in Fargo, and Bison fans, and NDSU administration was feeling jilted and embarrassed by the whole process.

With that win in Missoula, not only was their vindication that NDSU could in fact compete with I-AA powerhouse programs, but that even with far fewer scholarships at that point, they could win. It was a bright moment in a very dark time. A year later, NDSU began the transition, without a real conference home (having to concoct the GWFC with other schools) and until January of '06 there was relatively little to get too excited about. For a University accustomed to success in athletics... that's a long time to wait, so I think the legend grew in the minds of Bison fans and the whole process with Big Sky seemed tied to that one game... whether it was real or not.

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

however, and i think this bears noting... you were dealing with 6 or 7 years of pent up smack from a collection of fans who can talk plenty even when they haven't been forced to hold it in. You were dealing with the chip on the collective shoulder of a fan base with a long memory and a bitterness about being spurned by the Big Sky. (which, true or not, I think will always be controlled by Montana in the minds of Bison fans) and therefore forced to spend the transition years in the wilderness... all because of the Miracle in Montana... I'm not saying it's accurate, I'm not really even saying it's fair or justified... I'm just offering a different view of one event and what it meant to a different group of fans in a different place.

Very well put TT. A nice and coherent description. I just don't know how anyone can blame Montana for them not getting into the BSC when they look at how the vote went down. We have one vote on the subject.

Montana controls who gets into the Big Sky like the CAA controls who gets into the playoffs?

[CrunchGriz]

... not to be a "typical" Bison fan, but to provide a different perspective (from someone who was at NDSU when the Montana Miracle happened) here's how that event is viewed from over here.

We were a top-flight D-II school in a power conference, we were set to play Maine in a "prove it" game in 2001, but it was canceled after 9-11. (i think maine was coming to us oddly, but i may be wrong)

So in 2003, after a disastrous 2002 season, the Bison roll in to Zoo town largely ignored by the Griz fans (for cause perhaps, but nontheless) and shock the **** out of the 1-AA and D-2 worlds with a win for the ages. An embarrassing loss for the Griz, but a largely forgettable event in Montana history... however, in Fargo, it changed EVERYTHING.

A year before (in Sept. of '02) NDSU opted to transition to Division 1 along with SDSU (and following Northern Colorado by a year) - a move that was responded to with mockery and derision throughout the region. (I know I personally was brutal about it back then and very publicly) In that year, quiet assurances of an offer of Big Sky membership slid off the table and it seemed very much linked to that game. Nerves were raw in Fargo, and Bison fans, and NDSU administration was feeling jilted and embarrassed by the whole process.

With that win in Missoula, not only was their vindication that NDSU could in fact compete with I-AA powerhouse programs, but that even with far fewer scholarships at that point, they could win. It was a bright moment in a very dark time. A year later, NDSU began the transition, without a real conference home (having to concoct the GWFC with other schools) and until January of '06 there was relatively little to get too excited about. For a University accustomed to success in athletics... that's a long time to wait, so I think the legend grew in the minds of Bison fans and the whole process with Big Sky seemed tied to that one game... whether it was real or not.

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

however, and i think this bears noting... you were dealing with 6 or 7 years of pent up smack from a collection of fans who can talk plenty even when they haven't been forced to hold it in. You were dealing with the chip on the collective shoulder of a fan base with a long memory and a bitterness about being spurned by the Big Sky. (which, true or not, I think will always be controlled by Montana in the minds of Bison fans) and therefore forced to spend the transition years in the wilderness... all because of the Miracle in Montana... I'm not saying it's accurate, I'm not really even saying it's fair or justified... I'm just offering a different view of one event and what it meant to a different group of fans in a different place.

Good post, TTBF, but I've got to correct that thought that seems to linger in the subconscious of the Bison faithful--it wasn't Montana (or Montana State, for that matter) that nixed the Dakotas' entry into the Big Sky, it was other Big Sky schools (NAU and SAC State, I believe, and maybe Portland State). The Montana schools were all for it.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Very well put TT. A nice and coherent description. I just don't know how anyone can blame Montana for them not getting into the BSC when they look at how the vote went down. We have one vote on the subject.

Montana controls who gets into the Big Sky like the CAA controls who gets into the playoffs?

Yup, I was gonna put that reference in there as well but I was hoping I could bait Hogan into trying to pin me down as one of the fucks that uses that line.

[Mountaineer]

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

Which is why a number of us have taken great satisfaction in watching the Bison come crashing back down to Earth.

[EQguy]

Welcome, lakesbison!

You'll learn to regret that statement.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

... not to be a "typical" Bison fan, but to provide a different perspective (from someone who was at NDSU when the Montana Miracle happened) here's how that event is viewed from over here.

We were a top-flight D-II school in a power conference, we were set to play Maine in a "prove it" game in 2001, but it was canceled after 9-11. (i think maine was coming to us oddly, but i may be wrong)

So in 2003, after a disastrous 2002 season, the Bison roll in to Zoo town largely ignored by the Griz fans (for cause perhaps, but nontheless) and shock the **** out of the 1-AA and D-2 worlds with a win for the ages. An embarrassing loss for the Griz, but a largely forgettable event in Montana history... however, in Fargo, it changed EVERYTHING.

A year before (in Sept. of '02) NDSU opted to transition to Division 1 along with SDSU (and following Northern Colorado by a year) - a move that was responded to with mockery and derision throughout the region. (I know I personally was brutal about it back then and very publicly) In that year, quiet assurances of an offer of Big Sky membership slid off the table and it seemed very much linked to that game. Nerves were raw in Fargo, and Bison fans, and NDSU administration was feeling jilted and embarrassed by the whole process.

With that win in Missoula, not only was their vindication that NDSU could in fact compete with I-AA powerhouse programs, but that even with far fewer scholarships at that point, they could win. It was a bright moment in a very dark time. A year later, NDSU began the transition, without a real conference home (having to concoct the GWFC with other schools) and until January of '06 there was relatively little to get too excited about. For a University accustomed to success in athletics... that's a long time to wait, so I think the legend grew in the minds of Bison fans and the whole process with Big Sky seemed tied to that one game... whether it was real or not.

Added to that - was the amazing run in 2007 with the team going 10-1 and nearly pulling off a perfect season one year before playoff eligibility. Fans who had been waiting for the better part of a decade to see their Bison football team back in the playoffs were left wondering what might have been... and yeah... a lot of them ran their mouths, especially heading in to their first year in a power conference like the MVFC...

however, and i think this bears noting... you were dealing with 6 or 7 years of pent up smack from a collection of fans who can talk plenty even when they haven't been forced to hold it in. You were dealing with the chip on the collective shoulder of a fan base with a long memory and a bitterness about being spurned by the Big Sky. (which, true or not, I think will always be controlled by Montana in the minds of Bison fans) and therefore forced to spend the transition years in the wilderness... all because of the Miracle in Montana... I'm not saying it's accurate, I'm not really even saying it's fair or justified... I'm just offering a different view of one event and what it meant to a different group of fans in a different place.

Good post, TTBF, but I've got to correct that thought that seems to linger in the subconscious of the Bison faithful--it wasn't Montana (or Montana State, for that matter) that nixed the Dakotas' entry into the Big Sky, it was other Big Sky schools (NAU and SAC State, I believe, and maybe Portland State). The Montana schools were all for it.

I don't think you quite understood my point. Yes, a rational person would conclude that there were logical reasons NAU and Sac St. didn't want NDSU in the conference - but that has nothing to do with the visceral emotional response of a fanbase when their program had to wander in the woods during reclassification. My point was that many Bison fans decided to make Montana a repository for all of their angst about the decision to move up, and started seeing boogymen where they didn't exist.

It's far easier for an anxious fan to simply blame Montana for "conspiring" to keep them out of the BSC after the Montana Miracle, than to realize that NDSU was 750 miles from the NEAREST school in the conference (and 800 from the second, and averaged more than 1000 miles from the conference as a whole)

that situation of course has been exacerbated by the Griz refusal to play in the FFD... and while longtime FCS fans are left saying "yeah, so wtf else is new? it's montana." your average Bison fan prior to a few years ago (and even today in many cases) had no knowledge of "the griz way" of 8 home games/year and so assumed again that it was a slight. and yes... i realize that's petty and small... but hey, it's college sports, that's what it's all about, isn't it?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Very well put TT. A nice and coherent description. I just don't know how anyone can blame Montana for them not getting into the BSC when they look at how the vote went down. We have one vote on the subject.

the logic at the time went a little something like this:

the bsc will do whatever Montana says because they could sink the conference tomorrow by moving up to I-A (at the time) and leave the rest of the conference scrambling. and that they were the only school that had the clout to do that, and therefore the school that was calling the shots in the conference.

is it coherent? maybe. is it logical? not really. is it a wild extrapolation predicated on one exceedingly fallacious argument? you better believe it. no good conspiracy theory is without it's gigantic leap of faith - in this case, that the Griz were so pissed about that one game, that it led them to consider doing anything, up to and including moving to the WAC or MWC just to spite a reclassifying school that beat them in one football game one time...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Very well put TT. A nice and coherent description. I just don't know how anyone can blame Montana for them not getting into the BSC when they look at how the vote went down. We have one vote on the subject.

the logic at the time went a little something like this:

the bsc will do whatever Montana says because they could sink the conference tomorrow by moving up to I-A (at the time) and leave the rest of the conference scrambling. and that they were the only school that had the clout to do that, and therefore the school that was calling the shots in the conference.

is it coherent? maybe. is it logical? not really. is it a wild extrapolation predicated on one exceedingly fallacious argument? you better believe it. no good conspiracy theory is without it's gigantic leap of faith - in this case, that the Griz were so pissed about that one game, that it led them to consider doing anything, up to and including moving to the WAC or MWC just to spite a reclassifying school that beat them in one football game one time...

Your responses here are really magnificent and do help me understand some of the Bison fans because I too have friends that do this same kind of shit and won't think things out outside of their own little box. Once they get another couple of guys believing in their little theory and the pack mentality sets in then you have little hope of using a reasonable argument with them.

It's why I like you TT and will never include you in the way I feel about most of the Bison poster's. You're good, damn good, because you actually have made me feel a little sorry for some of these guys.

I do still chuckle that Montana has that kind of power in the conference considering football travel isn't the only factor when you consider all the other sports that are required to be a BSC member and the costs that would add to every school. An even bigger laugh is to be had when considering that Montana would leave the BSC and jump to FBS due to a single loss to NDSU.

[Wedgebuster]

Fellas, there are other considerations that hold a lot of weight when considering adding a school to a conference other than the obvious- money, facilities, and travel distance. Mainly I'm talking about expanding recruiting area.

You open up a new recruiting area when you add a team from that area, playing and winning games against that school gives you exposure. Tis exactly why the MWC went after TCU a few years back, Texas recruits.

There is just too few people living in S. Dakota, and they have ample programs recruiting what talent there is. As for N. Dakota, there is a lot of recruiting competition there for the slightly bigger populace.

[GeauxSioux]

Fellas, there are other considerations that hold a lot of weight when considering adding a school to a conference other than the obvious- money, facilities, and travel distance. Mainly I'm talking about expanding recruiting area.

You open up a new recruiting area when you add a team from that area, playing and winning games against that school gives you exposure. Tis exactly why the MWC went after TCU a few years back, Texas recruits.

There is just too few people living in S. Dakota, and they have ample programs recruiting what talent there is. As for N. Dakota, there is a lot of recruiting competition there for the slightly bigger populace.

Actually SD is slightly larger than ND population-wise. As you probably already know, UND is located in Grand Forks which sits on the Minnesota border, much larger population base and recruiting area. Next to Minnesota is Wisconsin, which has one D-I team, no D-II's and a bunch of D-III teams, causing it to be a huge recuiting ground for the Sioux and others.

As far as exposure, UND has the FSSN to broadcast the games through the Mid Continent cable system and also FTA satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_S ... ts_Network

Mid Continent hits North Dakota, South Dakota and northern Minnesota. WDAY which operates FSSN in conjunction with UND broadcasts into the Winnipeg market, as well. The Sioux have picked up a number of good kids from Canada. UND could significantly widen the exposure of the Big Sky.