Happy January 6th Trumpers

[SeattleGriz]

After watching how the Dems operated with Covington Catholic, Russia Collusion, etc, I'm holding out full judgement until I see the rest of the information that is being withheld.

All other things aside (and again): The Mueller report did show cooperation between people in the Trump campaign and the Russians. The investigation was completely justified. You and many others have bought into a Republican spin on that issue. The Mueller report showed lots of misbehavior. We just had an Attorney General who jumped in front of the situation to spin it along with the problem of Republicans in Congress shielding Trump and his people from accountability.

The Russia investigation is NOT an example of Democrats saying something bad was going on when nothing was. Bad things were going on.

No

[kalm]

A little but Rolling Stone is still my main source.

What’s left when the only legit journalists bail and leave just the UVA Rapey Rapey ones behind?

Sounds like your kind o rag now more than before!


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Don’t you have a Glenn Greenwald tweet to post or something?

[SDHornet]

Runaway inflation
Botched handling of COVID variants
Runaway illegal immigration

But let's focus on one of hundreds of riots that happened in the past two years, and for which the catalysts have been/are being arrested and prosecuted.

Seems legit.

BTW, how many have been convicted of insurrection? Oh right, none. Move along.

[SDHornet]

All other things aside (and again): The Mueller report did show cooperation between people in the Trump campaign and the Russians. The investigation was completely justified. You and many others have bought into a Republican spin on that issue. The Mueller report showed lots of misbehavior. We just had an Attorney General who jumped in front of the situation to spin it along with the problem of Republicans in Congress shielding Trump and his people from accountability.

The Russia investigation is NOT an example of Democrats saying something bad was going on when nothing was. Bad things were going on.

You don’t say? Why haven’t you brought this up before?

No, that's jelly, and there was a big ass thread on it where he and anyone pimping that narrative was wrong.

[SDHornet]

All other things aside (and again): The Mueller report did show cooperation between people in the Trump campaign and the Russians. The investigation was completely justified. You and many others have bought into a Republican spin on that issue. The Mueller report showed lots of misbehavior. We just had an Attorney General who jumped in front of the situation to spin it along with the problem of Republicans in Congress shielding Trump and his people from accountability.

The Russia investigation is NOT an example of Democrats saying something bad was going on when nothing was. Bad things were going on.

Yes, there was 'misbehavior" but did the Mueller Report provide any proof that the 2016 election was stolen as Hillary and other Dems continue to claim?

There was "misbehavior" (supervisors kicking out observers but continuing to count ballots, mysterious flash drives being inserted into computers, etc.) during the 2020 elections as well.

The "misbehaviors" should be investigated and steps taken to prevent them in the future but a rational person doesn't believe they significantly impacted either election and doesn't believe either election was stolen.

To the Dem's credit they didn't go apeshit and storm the Capitol because of their crazy conspiracy theories but silencing 2020 conspiracists while perpetrating the 2016 conspiracy BS is hypocritical and dishonest.

But they did riot in DC when they lost in '16, and stormed gubmint offices numerous times when they didn't get their way.

[Ibanez]

Runaway inflation
Botched handling of COVID variants
Runaway illegal immigration

But let's focus on one of hundreds of riots that happened in the past two years, and for which the catalysts have been/are being arrested and prosecuted.

Seems legit.

+Afghanistan debacle.
+skyrocketing violent crime..

I bet White House Ice cream purchases are through the roof!

[Ibanez]

Yes, there was 'misbehavior" but did the Mueller Report provide any proof that the 2016 election was stolen as Hillary and other Dems continue to claim?

There was "misbehavior" (supervisors kicking out observers but continuing to count ballots, mysterious flash drives being inserted into computers, etc.) during the 2020 elections as well.

The "misbehaviors" should be investigated and steps taken to prevent them in the future but a rational person doesn't believe they significantly impacted either election and doesn't believe either election was stolen.

To the Dem's credit they didn't go apeshit and storm the Capitol because of their crazy conspiracy theories but silencing 2020 conspiracists while perpetrating the 2016 conspiracy BS is hypocritical and dishonest.

But they did riot in DC when they lost in '16, and stormed gubmint offices numerous times when they didn't get their way.

They both are guilty. Both riots are abhorrent and there's not really a need to rationalize either sides behavior.
Did they attack the US Capital at the exact day and time when the election results were being certified? Did they attack after being told for months that the election was stolen, to fight, for paramilitary groups to "stand by." It's a little different when you're attacking a fed building in Seattle, in the middle of the night and attacking the US Capital during the election certification process. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison.

I think we can both agree that ardent supporters on the R and L have acted shamefully.

[SDHornet]

But they did riot in DC when they lost in '16, and stormed gubmint offices numerous times when they didn't get their way.

They both are guilty. Both riots are abhorrent and there's not really a need to rationalize either sides behavior.
Did they attack the US Capital at the exact day and time when the election results were being certified? Did they attack after being told for months that the election was stolen, to fight, for paramilitary groups to "stand by." It's a little different when you're attacking a fed building in Seattle, in the middle of the night and attacking the US Capital during the election certification process. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison.

I think we can both agree that ardent supporters on the R and L have acted shamefully.

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

[kalm]

They both are guilty. Both riots are abhorrent and there's not really a need to rationalize either sides behavior.
Did they attack the US Capital at the exact day and time when the election results were being certified? Did they attack after being told for months that the election was stolen, to fight, for paramilitary groups to "stand by." It's a little different when you're attacking a fed building in Seattle, in the middle of the night and attacking the US Capital during the election certification process. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison.

I think we can both agree that ardent supporters on the R and L have acted shamefully.

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

Both were criticized both led to arrests. One threatened the outcome of an election while plans were simultaneously being attempted to subvert through the political process (see Peter Navarro interview not to mention all the other testimony regarding communications going on behind the scenes).

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi or Pence or Romney or AOC?

“We just wanted to talk and have our voices heard”



Clearly neither should have happened.

[Ibanez]

They both are guilty. Both riots are abhorrent and there's not really a need to rationalize either sides behavior.
Did they attack the US Capital at the exact day and time when the election results were being certified? Did they attack after being told for months that the election was stolen, to fight, for paramilitary groups to "stand by." It's a little different when you're attacking a fed building in Seattle, in the middle of the night and attacking the US Capital during the election certification process. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison.

I think we can both agree that ardent supporters on the R and L have acted shamefully.

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

If it wasn't that bad, a lot of stuff would've been released by both sides. But politics are scum so there's that.

I still think people like Watters need to be held accountable for stoking the flames after Floyd was killed.

[GannonFan]

Just watching some of the stuff last night, and Congress-folk walking reporters through the Capitol building, and one thing came to mind - are we ever going to reopen the Capitol building to the public? It's been basically closed to the general public since March 2020 and there's really no plan right now to open it up again, so we're likely at least months away from that happening. I realize that obviously COVID has played a big part, and certainly there are political points to be scored by keeping Jan 6th in the forefront, but we spent a bunch of money refurbishing and redoing the visitor's entrance to the Capitol (mostly in the name of security before any of this happened) and we're not anywhere close to getting the place opened again. Over in the UK Parliament has been opened for tours for several months now. Even in DC itself, 15k or more people cram themselves into the arena downtown to watch the Wizards or Capitals games without a COVID impact. Heck, I'm pretty sure when those Puerto Rican nationalists walked into the House chamber back in the 50's with guns and shot a bunch of Congresspeople that we didn't close the building for more than a couple of hours. I remember being in DC back in the spring and they still had the fencing up so that you couldn't even get within a few hundred yards of the building. Let's get on with it, there's no reason why that building can't be opened safely right now. I realize it's hard for politicians to stop playing politics, but let's stop politicking.

[CAA Flagship]

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi

[UNI88]

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

Both were criticized both led to arrests. One threatened the outcome of an election while plans were simultaneously being attempted to subvert through the political process (see Peter Navarro interview not to mention all the other testimony regarding communications going on behind the scenes).

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi or Pence or Romney or AOC?

“We just wanted to talk and have our voices heard”



Clearly neither should have happened.

And here to rationalize the ctrl-left's behavior and kalmpslain to us how January 6 was worse ... They were all horrible in their own ways.

Please don't tell me about arrests, there were arrests in Portland but the prosecution of ctrl-left rioters and looters was a joke.

[kalm]

Both were criticized both led to arrests. One threatened the outcome of an election while plans were simultaneously being attempted to subvert through the political process (see Peter Navarro interview not to mention all the other testimony regarding communications going on behind the scenes).

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi or Pence or Romney or AOC?

“We just wanted to talk and have our voices heard”



Clearly neither should have happened.

And here to rationalize the ctrl-left's behavior and kalmpslain to us how January 6 was worse ... They were all horrible in their own ways.

Please don't tell me about arrests, there were arrests in Portland but the prosecution of ctrl-left rioters and looters was a joke.

I was against the BLM violence from the start. You know that.

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

It will be ok.

Btw…this is what happens when you slip up and call it what it was. You must ‘88splain it to Tucker.

[Ibanez]

Interesting that Ted "Boobs" Cruz called it a terrorist attack the other day.

[UNI88]

And here to rationalize the ctrl-left's behavior and kalmpslain to us how January 6 was worse ... They were all horrible in their own ways.

Please don't tell me about arrests, there were arrests in Portland but the prosecution of ctrl-left rioters and looters was a joke.

I was against the BLM violence from the start. You know that.

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

It will be ok.

Btw…this is what happens when you slip up and call it what it was. You must ‘88splain it to Tucker.

I know you were against the BLM violence.

I agree that they were different. I disagree with anyone who thinks that they weren't connected and/or that one was definitively worse than the other.

The instigators and perpetrators of both should be held accountable but one side is getting preferential treatment.

Comparing 1/6 to 9/11 or 12/7 is a joke that demonstrates an ignorance of history. 1/6/21 is much closer to 3/1/54 than 9/11 or 12/7.

[Ibanez]

I was against the BLM violence from the start. You know that.

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

It will be ok.

Btw…this is what happens when you slip up and call it what it was. You must ‘88splain it to Tucker.

I know you were against the BLM violence.

I agree that they were different. I disagree with anyone who thinks that they weren't connected and/or that one was definitively worse than the other.

The instigators and perpetrators of both should be held accountable but one side is getting preferential treatment.

Comparing 1/6 to 9/11 or 12/7 is a joke that demonstrates an ignorance of history. 1/6/21 is much closer to 3/1/54 than 9/11 or 12/7.

Yeah - but those were brown people so the Democrats aren't going to bring that up (if they're aware of it at all).

[UNI88]

I know you were against the BLM violence.

I agree that they were different. I disagree with anyone who thinks that they weren't connected and/or that one was definitively worse than the other.

The instigators and perpetrators of both should be held accountable but one side is getting preferential treatment.

Comparing 1/6 to 9/11 or 12/7 is a joke that demonstrates an ignorance of history. 1/6/21 is much closer to 3/1/54 than 9/11 or 12/7.

Yeah - but those were brown people so the Democrats aren't going to bring that up (if they're aware of it at all).

It stems from the ctrl-left belief that POCs are oppressed and have a right if not obligation to protest, riot and loot while white people are privileged oppressors and have nothing legitimate to complain about much less protest.

[SDHornet]

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

Both were criticized both led to arrests. One threatened the outcome of an election while plans were simultaneously being attempted to subvert through the political process (see Peter Navarro interview not to mention all the other testimony regarding communications going on behind the scenes).

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi or Pence or Romney or AOC?

“We just wanted to talk and have our voices heard”



Clearly neither should have happened.

The fact that you think both sides have had to fact the law in equal measure shows how little you have been paying attention on this.

[SDHornet]

I was against the BLM violence from the start. You know that.

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

It will be ok.

Btw…this is what happens when you slip up and call it what it was. You must ‘88splain it to Tucker.

I know you were against the BLM violence.

I agree that they were different. I disagree with anyone who thinks that they weren't connected and/or that one was definitively worse than the other.

The instigators and perpetrators of both should be held accountable but one side is getting preferential treatment.

Comparing 1/6 to 9/11 or 12/7 is a joke that demonstrates an ignorance of history. 1/6/21 is much closer to 3/1/54 than 9/11 or 12/7.

Nevermind the Capitol bombing that took place that Nadler and Clinton got off early. But insurrection or something.

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed, both sides should have to face the full brunt of the law from their actions. One side is, one side isn't. And that attack on the Capital was so vicious that Congress was able to get back to work within hours. If it was that bad, the 14k hours of tape would have been released already.

Wasn't trying to get into a comparison debate, but when this capped of a summer of riots and looting with the media trying to pawn it off as "mostly peaceful", not sure why you expect anyone to get more of a "meh" out of those that watched these events unfold.

Both were criticized both led to arrests. One threatened the outcome of an election while plans were simultaneously being attempted to subvert through the political process (see Peter Navarro interview not to mention all the other testimony regarding communications going on behind the scenes).

I’ll ask again, what would have happened if the mob caught up with Pelosi or Pence or Romney or AOC?

“We just wanted to talk and have our voices heard”



Clearly neither should have happened.

MAN, I would have loved to have seen that.

[89Hen]

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

The same folks who say they shouldn't even be compared are the same people comparing it to 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the Civil War. No bitter pill needs to be swallowed on this one.

[kalm]

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

The same folks who say they shouldn't even be compared are the same people comparing it to 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the Civil War. No bitter pill needs to be swallowed on this one.

No it’s different than those too. Or the same as the 60’s riots of LA Riots.

I also didn’t hear people feeling that democracy was threatened after Stacy Abraham’s or Hillary lost but didn’t concede. Or did they? I honestly dont know.

[Ibanez]

I know it’s a bitter pill for you that some think they are different and probably shouldn’t even be compared.

The same folks who say they shouldn't even be compared are the same people comparing it to 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the Civil War. No bitter pill needs to be swallowed on this one.

It's like the sacking of Rome, the Blitzkrieg and when the Death Star got attacked all in 1!

[89Hen]

No it’s different than those too.

That's the point. Try to keep up.