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Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:50 am
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Kids don’t play smear the queer anymore?
Nope. I remember being in school and some kid getting upset b/c he's gay and thought the game was against him.
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Ivytalk wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:00 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:50 am

Nope. I remember being in school and some kid getting upset b/c he's gay and thought the game was against him.
I preferred “bombardment.” Great indoor PE activity, unless you were the last one standing.
How was that played? Is it similar to Dodgeball?


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Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:50 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:38 am
Kids don’t play smear the queer anymore?
Nope. I remember being in school and some kid getting upset b/c he's gay and thought the game was against him.
I’m talking maybe 8-9 years old till about 13-14. I never knew any gay kids at those ages. Was it right to call it ‘Smear the Queer’ back then (in the 80s)? No. But we’re talking late elementary/junior high/middle school age juvenile kids here, not adults. If a group of kids today was playing it, that would be no worse than playing it back then IMHOP.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:15 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:50 am

Nope. I remember being in school and some kid getting upset b/c he's gay and thought the game was against him.
I’m talking maybe 8-9 years old till about 13-14. I never knew any gay kids at those ages. Was it right to call it ‘Smear the Queer’ back then (in the 80s)? No. But we’re talking late elementary/junior high/middle school age juvenile kids here, not adults. If a group of kids today was playing it, that would be no worse than playing it back then IMHOP.
We played it in the 90s. I can see how it could be hurtful but it was a game that was basically tackle that guy, we never thought about it as an indictment on anyones sexual preference. Everyone was the queer at some point during that game. :lol:
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We called it "kill the carrier", which I'm sure is almost equally offensive these days. Heck, you can't call "suicides" in basketball that anymore, have to call them gassers or something like that.
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GannonFan wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:00 am We called it "kill the carrier", which I'm sure is almost equally offensive these days. Heck, you can't call "suicides" in basketball that anymore, have to call them gassers or something like that.
Can you play a game of HORSE or is that somehow offensive or something?
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:53 am
GannonFan wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:00 am We called it "kill the carrier", which I'm sure is almost equally offensive these days. Heck, you can't call "suicides" in basketball that anymore, have to call them gassers or something like that.
Can you play a game of HORSE or is that somehow offensive or something?
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:53 am
GannonFan wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:00 am We called it "kill the carrier", which I'm sure is almost equally offensive these days. Heck, you can't call "suicides" in basketball that anymore, have to call them gassers or something like that.
Can you play a game of HORSE or is that somehow offensive or something?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:56 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:53 am

Can you play a game of HORSE or is that somehow offensive or something?
Depends on whether you make or miss. :coffee: :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:00 am We called it "kill the carrier", which I'm sure is almost equally offensive these days. Heck, you can't call "suicides" in basketball that anymore, have to call them gassers or something like that.
"Kill the carrier" is still used today or at least it was yesterday when I went by a park full of neighbor kids. There was a bunch of shouting "you're dead" and the ball carrier ignoring it. :lol:
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This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space
A student at Oberlin College in Ohio described being "scared" and "angry" after the school announced a work crew would be installing radiators in a "safe space" dormitory for women and trans students, explaining the crew would likely be "cisgender men."

"I was angry, scared, and confused. Why didn’t the College complete the installation over the summer, when the building was empty? Why couldn’t they tell us precisely when the workers would be there? Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?" Oberlin student Peter Fray-Witzer wrote in an op-ed published in the college newspaper on Friday.

"In general, I am very averse to people entering my personal space. This anxiety was compounded by the fact that the crew would be strangers, and they were more than likely to be cisgender men."

The work crew eventually showed up at the dorm, and Fray-Witzer described that he saw "immediately that they were all men."

"It was clear that the College had not made a special request that male workers not be allowed onto the upper floors of Baldwin," the student continued.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:54 am This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space
A student at Oberlin College in Ohio described being "scared" and "angry" after the school announced a work crew would be installing radiators in a "safe space" dormitory for women and trans students, explaining the crew would likely be "cisgender men."

"I was angry, scared, and confused. Why didn’t the College complete the installation over the summer, when the building was empty? Why couldn’t they tell us precisely when the workers would be there? Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?" Oberlin student Peter Fray-Witzer wrote in an op-ed published in the college newspaper on Friday.

"In general, I am very averse to people entering my personal space. This anxiety was compounded by the fact that the crew would be strangers, and they were more than likely to be cisgender men."

The work crew eventually showed up at the dorm, and Fray-Witzer described that he saw "immediately that they were all men."

"It was clear that the College had not made a special request that male workers not be allowed onto the upper floors of Baldwin," the student continued.
How does this snowflake know they Identify as men? Shame on his bias..SHAME!
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:11 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:54 am This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space

How does this snowflake know they Identify as men? Shame on his bias..SHAME!
meanwhile, China is launching low orbit, steerable nuclear-capable missiles and this is what we're worried about....
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AZGrizFan wrote:This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space
A student at Oberlin College in Ohio described being "scared" and "angry" after the school announced a work crew would be installing radiators in a "safe space" dormitory for women and trans students, explaining the crew would likely be "cisgender men."

"I was angry, scared, and confused. Why didn’t the College complete the installation over the summer, when the building was empty? Why couldn’t they tell us precisely when the workers would be there? Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?" Oberlin student Peter Fray-Witzer wrote in an op-ed published in the college newspaper on Friday.

"In general, I am very averse to people entering my personal space. This anxiety was compounded by the fact that the crew would be strangers, and they were more than likely to be cisgender men."

The work crew eventually showed up at the dorm, and Fray-Witzer described that he saw "immediately that they were all men."

"It was clear that the College had not made a special request that male workers not be allowed onto the upper floors of Baldwin," the student continued.
These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.


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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:29 am
AZGrizFan wrote:This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space
These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.


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They're also more likely to be of the mind to not procreate b/c, " how could you bring a child into such a chaotic, awful world where we might not even have koala bears in 50 years.." or some other garbage. These people aren't procreating b/c the fetus didn't choose that and how dare I decided for that fetus if it wants to be born.
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Their transformation of America into the USSR is almost complete:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washingto ... -joe-biden
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:29 am
AZGrizFan wrote:This country is so fucked.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-coll ... safe-space
These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.


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There's an entire cabinet full of them working for Joe Biden. They should bother you more.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:39 am
CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:29 am
These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.
There's an entire cabinet full of them working for Joe Biden. They should bother you more.
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:29 am These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.


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There's an entire cabinet full of them working for Joe Biden. They should bother you more.
And Joe Biden’s administration is performing dismally. Not the best resume for those people.

But let’s face it... the majority of his cabinet are just big government Democrat policy wonks. There are a couple nuts but they are safely tucked away in harmless departments.

I’m surrounded by people who might tangentially enable or sympathize with the students in the article, but at the end of the day they would never in a million years hire or promote people like that. They are just too toxic to the workplace. And let’s face it, there are tons of heterosexual men in the Federal government. I’m not sure how that would work for these fragile creatures.


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Ibanez wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:42 am
CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:29 am
These people don’t really bother me.

They are self-selecting themselves out of society, are unemployable, and I will never have to deal with them in personal or professional situations.

I wish them well once they leave their cloisters.


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They're also more likely to be of the mind to not procreate b/c, " how could you bring a child into such a chaotic, awful world where we might not even have koala bears in 50 years.." or some other garbage. These people aren't procreating b/c the fetus didn't choose that and how dare I decided for that fetus if it wants to be born.
“Be of the mind not to procreate” :rofl: :rofl:

That’s rich. That kid never has been, and never will be, laid. And the world will be better off.
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:11 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
There's an entire cabinet full of them working for Joe Biden. They should bother you more.
And Joe Biden’s administration is performing dismally. Not the best resume for those people.

But let’s face it... the majority of his cabinet are just big government Democrat policy wonks. There are a couple nuts but they are safely tucked away in harmless departments.

I’m surrounded by people who might tangentially enable or sympathize with the students in the article, but at the end of the day they would never in a million years hire or promote people like that. They are just too toxic to the workplace. And let’s face it, there are tons of heterosexual men in the Federal government. I’m not sure how that would work for these fragile creatures.


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It's the kowtowing to them (and their absolute expectation that we kowtow to them) that concerns me. Meanwhile, Rome is burning.
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Ivytalk wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:12 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:42 am

They're also more likely to be of the mind to not procreate b/c, " how could you bring a child into such a chaotic, awful world where we might not even have koala bears in 50 years.." or some other garbage. These people aren't procreating b/c the fetus didn't choose that and how dare I decided for that fetus if it wants to be born.
“Be of the mind not to procreate” :rofl: :rofl:

That’s rich. That kid never has been, and never will be, laid. And the world will be better off.
But is IT by choice? lol :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:39 am Their transformation of America into the USSR is almost complete:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washingto ... -joe-biden
Next thing you know Biden is going to tell us this winter we should all lower our thermosts to 60-65 and wear sweaters inside because climate change something something..
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Ravaged by fire, USS Bonhomme Richard bound for scrapyard, Navy says

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

Investigations continue into the cause of the fire, which burned for almost five days and smothered south San Diego County in noxious smoke

A fire that raged for almost five days in July has doomed the San Diego-based amphibious assault ship USS Bonhomme Richard to the scrapyards, Navy officials announced Monday.

The ship will be decommissioned within a year and will be scrapped, a Navy official told reporters during a conference call Monday. The cause of the fire is still under investigation.

The cost of repairing the ship was estimated to be between $2.5 billion and $3.2 billion, said Rear Adm. Eric Ver Hage Monday. The cost and time involved were deemed to be too much by Navy leadership.

“After thorough consideration, the secretary of the Navy and the Chief of Naval Operations have decided to decommission the USS Bonhomme Richard,” said Ver Hage, the commander of Navy Regional Maintenance Center.

Read more: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... -navy-says
Looks like some heads are going to roll here, including 4 admirals and 4 Captains (O-6)..
A Navy report has concluded there were sweeping failures by commanders, crew members and others that fueled the July 2020 arson fire that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard, calling the massive five-day blaze in San Diego preventable and unacceptable.

While one sailor has been charged with setting the fire, the more than 400-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, lists three dozen officers and sailors whose failings either directly led to the ship's loss or contributed to it. The findings detailed widespread lapses in training, coordination, communication, fire preparedness, equipment maintenance and overall command and control….
…The report spreads blame across a wide range of ranks and responsibilities, from the now retired three-star admiral who headed Naval Surface Force Pacific Fleet — Vice Adm. Richard Brown — to senior commanders, lower ranking sailors and civilian program managers. Seventeen were cited for failures that "directly" led to the loss of the ship, while 17 others "contributed" to the loss of the ship. Two other sailors were faulted for not effectively helping the fire response. Of the 36, nine are civilians...
…Specifically, the report said failures of Vice Adm. Brown; Rear Adm. Scott Brown, the fleet maintenance officer for the Pacific Fleet; Rear Adm. William Greene, the fleet maintenance officer for U.S. Fleet Forces Command; Rear. Adm. Eric Ver Hage, commander of the regional maintenance center; Rear Adm. Bette Bolivar, commander of Navy Region Southwest; Capt. Mark Nieswiadomy, commander of Naval Base San Diego; and Capt. Tony Rodriguez, commander of Amphibious Squadron 5, all "contributed to the loss of the ship."

The report also directly faults the ship’s three top officers — Capt. Gregory Thoroman, the commanding officer; Capt. Michael Ray, the executive officer; and Command Master Chief Jose Hernandez — for not effectively ensuring the readiness and condition of the ship.

"The execution of his duties created an environment of poor training, maintenance and operational standards that directly led to the loss of the ship," the report said of Thoroman. And it said Ray, Hernandez and Capt. David Hart, commander of the Southwest Regional Maintenance Center, also failed in their responsibilities, which directly led to the loss of the ship.

The report only provides names for senior naval officers. Others were described solely by their job or rank.

More broadly, the crew was slammed for "a pattern of failed drills, minimal crew participation, an absence of basic knowledge on firefighting" and an inability to coordinate with civilian firefighters.
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