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Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:17 am And it begins....2 explosions at the Airport in Kabul.
Hey, when you blindly and stubbornly act as Biden has done with regards on how to exit Afghanistan, we should be surprised there hasn't been more attacks than these. It's like someone said no one could be more pigheaded than Trump and Biden said hold my beer. Like I said, all the GOP has to do is through up a credible candidate and I'd vote for that over the octnogenarian (sp) Biden, or the invisible Harris as well.
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At least 4 Marine KIA so far. # of wounded.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:05 am At least 4 Marine KIA so far. # of wounded.
First fatalities in Afghanistan for the US since February of 2020 I heard.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:21 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:17 am And it begins....2 explosions at the Airport in Kabul.
Hey, when you blindly and stubbornly act as Biden has done with regards on how to exit Afghanistan, we should be surprised there hasn't been more attacks than these. It's like someone said no one could be more pigheaded than Trump and Biden said hold my beer. Like I said, all the GOP has to do is through up a credible candidate and I'd vote for that over the octnogenarian (sp) Biden, or the invisible Harris as well.
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From FNC live feed:
Top U.S. general: 12 U.S. KIA, 15 wounded in suicide attack at Kabul airport

The head of U.S. forces in the Middle East and Afghanistan says 12 U.S. service members were killed in the suicide attack outside the Kabul airport. 15 others were wounded.

Marine Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command says two suicide bombers carried out the complex attack, which he attributed to ISIS.

McKenzie said ISIS gunmen also opened fire.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:12 pm
If he lifts a fucking finger I’ll be shocked.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:13 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:12 pm
If he lifts a fucking finger I’ll be shocked.
He had to get woken from his nap 1st..
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GEN. H.R. MCMASTER: It’s going to get much worse. And what we have to remember is the Haqqani network used to run the Kabul attack network is now in charge of security in Kabul. You compound that with the five thousand that we made the Afghans release from prison. And then you compound that further with all the prisons being empty now of ISIS, Khorasan and al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

And so what we now have is a new epicenter of jihadist terrorism that is going to be a grave threat to the world. So the question is, what are we to do now? Are we going to start being serious people again? Are we going to stop talking about we need to engage the Taliban about the future of Afghanistan and maybe instead engage Afghans other than the Taliban, about the future of Afghanistan and then really double down on our counterterrorism efforts broadly with partners across the world because the situation is going to get much worse.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:23 pm
GEN. H.R. MCMASTER: It’s going to get much worse. And what we have to remember is the Haqqani network used to run the Kabul attack network is now in charge of security in Kabul. You compound that with the five thousand that we made the Afghans release from prison. And then you compound that further with all the prisons being empty now of ISIS, Khorasan and al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

And so what we now have is a new epicenter of jihadist terrorism that is going to be a grave threat to the world. So the question is, what are we to do now? Are we going to start being serious people again? Are we going to stop talking about we need to engage the Taliban about the future of Afghanistan and maybe instead engage Afghans other than the Taliban, about the future of Afghanistan and then really double down on our counterterrorism efforts broadly with partners across the world because the situation is going to get much worse.
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So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm
So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And who made the Afghans release five thousand from prison?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:53 pm
Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm

So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And who made the Afghans release five thousand from prison?
I bet it was that tan-suit wearing Obama! That punk!
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm
So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And if I’d quoted some general who was pro Trump, you’d criticize me me for that, saying I was just paying attention to what the armchair QB MAGAs said..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:51 pm
Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm

So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And if I’d quoted some general who was pro Trump, you’d criticize me me for that, saying I was just paying attention to what the armchair QB MAGAs said..
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:12 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:05 am At least 4 Marine KIA so far. # of wounded.
First fatalities in Afghanistan for the US since February of 2020 I heard.
Deadliest attack on US forces anywhere in a decade.
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U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate
“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:51 pm
Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm

So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And if I’d quoted some general who was pro Trump, you’d criticize me me for that, saying I was just paying attention to what the armchair QB MAGAs said..
I'm just trying to understand who we can listen to. You don't like anyone that opposed Trump and you've put down people that worked for Trump then quit. I'm just trying to understand
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:32 pm U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate
“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/2 ... ate-506957
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They gave out execution warrants...FFS. :ohno: :ohno: This is a disaster.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:51 pm And if I’d quoted some general who was pro Trump, you’d criticize me me for that, saying I was just paying attention to what the armchair QB MAGAs said..
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Not necessarily true. I questioned the backlash against Milley but I understand and agree with criticisms of his performance.

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Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 pm So...do we like McMaster or what? I'm trying to keep up with the long long LONG list of people that failed Trump and are being blacklisted by Republicans.
And who made the Afghans release five thousand from prison?
The Afghan government which hadn’t paid their guards in months. They walked off the job and opened the gates as they left.

I am sure they had Taliban encouragement


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Ibanez wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:15 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
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CID1990 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:46 pm
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And who made the Afghans release five thousand from prison?
The Afghan government which hadn’t paid their guards in months. They walked off the job and opened the gates as they left.

I am sure they had Taliban encouragement

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Might have played a factor but so did Trump's agreement formalized the arrangement ...
Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020
I find it ironic that MAGAts complain about the 5,000 when their lord and master was the fool that negotiated their release.
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CID1990 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:46 pm The Afghan government which hadn’t paid their guards in months. They walked off the job and opened the gates as they left.

I am sure they had Taliban encouragement

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Might have played a factor but so did Trump's agreement formalized the arrangement ...
Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020
I find it ironic that MAGAts complain about the 5,000 when their lord and master was the fool that negotiated their release.
That deal was not honored but it is also immaterial - those prisoners were spread out all over the country and the Taliban was liberating them as they took over provinces.

The jailbreak that led to the collapse of Kabul was at Parwan prison and it had nothing to do with any deals. The guards were told by the Talibs that they would be spared if they walked away. So they did.


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CID1990 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:31 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Might have played a factor but so did Trump's agreement formalized the arrangement ...

I find it ironic that MAGAts complain about the 5,000 when their lord and master was the fool that negotiated their release.
That deal was not honored but it is also immaterial - those prisoners were spread out all over the country and the Taliban was liberating them as they took over provinces.

The jailbreak that led to the collapse of Kabul was at Parwan prison and it had nothing to do with any deals. The guards were told by the Talibs that they would be spared if they walked away. So they did.
You have better sources and more expertise so I'll take your word on the release of prisoners and the collapse of Kabul.

Regardless (I thought about using irregardless here for sh!ts & giggles), I will continue to find it funny/ironic when BDK, CG, etc. quote someone complaining about the release of 5,000 prisoners when Trump's agreement explicitly authorized that exact number.
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