We Need a New President...

[kalm]

..don't be in such a hurry, we just got rid of the worst President we've ever had.

His title is being actively challenged as we speak.

I’m actually glad Jimmy Carter has lived to see himself dethroned twice in as many years.


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Now that’s funny.



Thread title should read “We need a new system”.

[Winterborn]

His title is being actively challenged as we speak.

I’m actually glad Jimmy Carter has lived to see himself dethroned twice in as many years.


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Now that’s funny.



Thread title should read “We need a new people”.

FYP


System is fine, just need to quit electing the dregs.

[kalm]

Now that’s funny.



Thread title should read “We need a new people”.

FYP


System is fine, just need to quit electing the dregs.

Try getting elected by being honest, altruistic, and sincere.

Ready, set, go!

[UNI88]

FYP

System is fine, just need to quit electing the dregs.

Try getting elected by being honest, altruistic, and sincere.

Ready, set, go!

How is changing the system going to change that?

[Winterborn]

FYP


System is fine, just need to quit electing the dregs.

Try getting elected by being honest, altruistic, and sincere.

Ready, set, go!

Then I expect your vote when you see my name running for office.

[kalm]

Try getting elected by being honest, altruistic, and sincere.

Ready, set, go!

How is changing the system going to change that?

Curb the influence of money and political access.

Teach critical thinking to the masses.

[AZGrizFan]

How is changing the system going to change that?

Curb the influence of money and political access.

Teach critical thinking to the masses.

Require ID’s to vote. And agreed….teach critical thinking, not critical race theory.

[UNI88]

How is changing the system going to change that?

Curb the influence of money and political access.

Teach critical thinking to the masses.

If we teach critical thinking to the masses who will vote for Bernie and AOChe?

[kalm]

Curb the influence of money and political access.

Teach critical thinking to the masses.

If we teach critical thinking to the masses who will vote for Bernie and AOChe?

The masses.

[kalm]

Curb the influence of money and political access.

Teach critical thinking to the masses.

Require ID’s to vote. And agreed….teach critical thinking, not critical race theory.

I’m down with that.

[houndawg]

Enlighten me O wise and toothless one.

They've had a space program since at least the 70s at Vandenberg. I'd guess its similar to the SR-71 situation - the fastest known plane to ever fly and it was built in the 60s. The engineers havent been sitting still since then - look how much different cars are now from the ones in the 60s even though they look pretty much the same. Of course I can't prove it, but I don't have any doubt that we have all kinds of stuff right out of he Jetsons. They have a laser cannon mounted on a naval ship now and if they can't already it won't be long before we'll have the ability to drop rocks on "problem areas", nuclear level impacts with no nuclear fallout.

[UNI88]

If we teach critical thinking to the masses who will vote for Bernie and AOChe?

The masses.

Anyone with critical thinking skills and a rudimentary understanding of economics and history would vote for someone other than Bernie or AOChe.

[kalm]

The masses.

Anyone with critical thinking skills and a rudimentary understanding of economics and history would vote for someone other than Bernie or AOChe.

I don’t follow AOC’s economic ideas but Bernie has been right for around 50 years now. Based on history.

I don’t expect you to like that or agree.

[AZGrizFan]

Anyone with critical thinking skills and a rudimentary understanding of economics and history would vote for someone other than Bernie or AOChe.

I don’t follow AOC’s economic ideas but Bernie has been right for around 50 years now. Based on history.

I don’t expect you to like that or agree.

Yes. He’s a huge supporter of Castro’s Cuba and Chavez’s Venezuela. If THAT is your definition of “right”, then I guess he’s right.

[Winterborn]

Enlighten me O wise and toothless one.

They've had a space program since at least the 70s at Vandenberg. I'd guess its similar to the SR-71 situation - the fastest known plane to ever fly and it was built in the 60s. The engineers havent been sitting still since then - look how much different cars are now from the ones in the 60s even though they look pretty much the same. Of course I can't prove it, but I don't have any doubt that we have all kinds of stuff right out of he Jetsons. They have a laser cannon mounted on a naval ship now and if they can't already it won't be long before we'll have the ability to drop rocks on "problem areas", nuclear level impacts with no nuclear fallout.

That maybe true but I highly doubt it is a version of a "space plane", everything I have ever read on those types of projects both government documents and the conspiracy nuts, they are all land based and while they may touch the upper reaches of the atmosphere, they are not long term space capable.

There is a massive difference in sending up a robot spaceship like the x-37b and a human.

I do my best to deal in the realm of facts and if there is a black project ala Project Aurura or something like it that is actually space capable it would of leaked by now. There are too many systems both government and private (and amateur) that would of caught a flight that was destined to have escape velocity.

Unless there really are aliens and they gave us cloaking technology.

[kalm]

I don’t follow AOC’s economic ideas but Bernie has been right for around 50 years now. Based on history.

I don’t expect you to like that or agree.

Yes. He’s a huge supporter of Castro’s Cuba and Chavez’s Venezuela. If THAT is your definition of “right”, then I guess he’s right.

Nailed it!

[houndawg]

They've had a space program since at least the 70s at Vandenberg. I'd guess its similar to the SR-71 situation - the fastest known plane to ever fly and it was built in the 60s. The engineers havent been sitting still since then - look how much different cars are now from the ones in the 60s even though they look pretty much the same. Of course I can't prove it, but I don't have any doubt that we have all kinds of stuff right out of he Jetsons. They have a laser cannon mounted on a naval ship now and if they can't already it won't be long before we'll have the ability to drop rocks on "problem areas", nuclear level impacts with no nuclear fallout.

That maybe true but I highly doubt it is a version of a "space plane", everything I have ever read on those types of projects both government documents and the conspiracy nuts, they are all land based and while they may touch the upper reaches of the atmosphere, they are not long term space capable.

There is a massive difference in sending up a robot spaceship like the x-37b and a human.

I do my best to deal in the realm of facts and if there is a black project ala Project Aurura or something like it that is actually space capable it would of leaked by now. There are too many systems both government and private (and amateur) that would of caught a flight that was destined to have escape velocity.

Unless there really are aliens and they gave us cloaking technology.

There aren't any aliens and we already have cloaking technolgy that works at optical wavelengths. I'm not trying to convince you of anything except you'd be very wrong to think that the whiz kids have been sitting still for 60 years.

The Air Force has a whole constellation of its own satellites and Peeping Tom equipment and there are literally trillions of dollars that the Pentagon seems to have misplaced over the years.

And high ground is a big deal military people

[houndawg]

The masses.

Anyone with critical thinking skills and a rudimentary understanding of economics and history would vote for someone other than Bernie or AOChe.

We should just steal business acumen from the Chinese, they seem to have plenty of it.

[Winterborn]

That maybe true but I highly doubt it is a version of a "space plane", everything I have ever read on those types of projects both government documents and the conspiracy nuts, they are all land based and while they may touch the upper reaches of the atmosphere, they are not long term space capable.

There is a massive difference in sending up a robot spaceship like the x-37b and a human.

I do my best to deal in the realm of facts and if there is a black project ala Project Aurura or something like it that is actually space capable it would of leaked by now. There are too many systems both government and private (and amateur) that would of caught a flight that was destined to have escape velocity.

Unless there really are aliens and they gave us cloaking technology.

There aren't any aliens and we already have cloaking technolgy that works at optical wavelengths. I'm not trying to convince you of anything except you'd be very wrong to think that the whiz kids have been sitting still for 60 years.

The Air Force has a whole constellation of its own satellites and Peeping Tom equipment and there are literally trillions of dollars that the Pentagon seems to have misplaced over the years.

And high ground is a big deal military people

I do not disagree with the above.

My comments were strictly along the line of long term space travel (which was my initial debate with Ibanez). If the "whiz kids" have people in space already it would be a monumental break through and a few trillion dollars into one program might be enough to do it. The SLS is already around 20 billion and expected cost per launch is 2 billion.

I do not underestimate the government at hiding stuff but to do a full human space launch program isn't something you can do out of some random building somewhere (not even Area 51).

Satellites and planes, sure. Human's in orbit, doubtful.

I have read some very interesting books on declassified Cold War R&D and one individual that was in charge with doing the black budget reports to the people that needed them, was quoted with saying that some research would come up with an idea and they would try to follow it. A few billion dollars later they would find out that it would not work. This was repeated many times over trying to push the boundaries and trillions of dollars were burnt through in R&D that went no where. No every now and then something did work out, which they then tested in Area 51.

[UNI88]

Anyone with critical thinking skills and a rudimentary understanding of economics and history would vote for someone other than Bernie or AOChe.

We should just steal business acumen from the Chinese, they seem to have plenty of it.

Does the CCP pay you to be their troll?

[houndawg]

We should just steal business acumen from the Chinese, they seem to have plenty of it.

Does the CCP pay you to be their troll?

You seem a little sensitive about getting out-capitalismed by them.

[AZGrizFan]

Does the CCP pay you to be their troll?

You seem a little sensitive about getting out-capitalismed by them.

You keep repeating this lie over and over, yet have zero proof or evidence to support this retarded notion. What China does is NOT capitalism….please explain how you believe it is.

This should be good.

[Ibanez]

There aren't any aliens and we already have cloaking technolgy that works at optical wavelengths. I'm not trying to convince you of anything except you'd be very wrong to think that the whiz kids have been sitting still for 60 years.

The Air Force has a whole constellation of its own satellites and Peeping Tom equipment and there are literally trillions of dollars that the Pentagon seems to have misplaced over the years.

And high ground is a big deal military people

I do not disagree with the above.

My comments were strictly along the line of long term space travel (which was my initial debate with Ibanez). If the "whiz kids" have people in space already it would be a monumental break through and a few trillion dollars into one program might be enough to do it. The SLS is already around 20 billion and expected cost per launch is 2 billion.

I do not underestimate the government at hiding stuff but to do a full human space launch program isn't something you can do out of some random building somewhere (not even Area 51).

Satellites and planes, sure. Human's in orbit, doubtful.

I have read some very interesting books on declassified Cold War R&D and one individual that was in charge with doing the black budget reports to the people that needed them, was quoted with saying that some research would come up with an idea and they would try to follow it. A few billion dollars later they would find out that it would not work. This was repeated many times over trying to push the boundaries and trillions of dollars were burnt through in R&D that went no where. No every now and then something did work out, which they then tested in Area 51.

Lost of good points up there, WB. Allow me to correct myself and add a note:

1) I'm an idiot.

The USSF was established within the Department of the Air Force

https://www.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/About-Space-Force/

2 - I don't believe that space travel is their mission. It appears to be more C4i or C5i. In the future that will probably change but for now, it appears we're building / improving our defensive posture using space as a battleground. Orbital warfare, at this time, is hypothetical. We aren't at Star Wars levels yet.

[Winterborn]

I do not disagree with the above.

My comments were strictly along the line of long term space travel (which was my initial debate with Ibanez). If the "whiz kids" have people in space already it would be a monumental break through and a few trillion dollars into one program might be enough to do it. The SLS is already around 20 billion and expected cost per launch is 2 billion.

I do not underestimate the government at hiding stuff but to do a full human space launch program isn't something you can do out of some random building somewhere (not even Area 51).

Satellites and planes, sure. Human's in orbit, doubtful.

I have read some very interesting books on declassified Cold War R&D and one individual that was in charge with doing the black budget reports to the people that needed them, was quoted with saying that some research would come up with an idea and they would try to follow it. A few billion dollars later they would find out that it would not work. This was repeated many times over trying to push the boundaries and trillions of dollars were burnt through in R&D that went no where. No every now and then something did work out, which they then tested in Area 51.

Lost of good points up there, WB. Allow me to correct myself and add a note:

1) I'm an idiot.

The USSF was established within the Department of the Air Force

https://www.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/About-Space-Force/

2 - I don't believe that space travel is their mission. It appears to be more C4i or C5i. In the future that will probably change but for now, it appears we're building / improving our defensive posture using space as a battleground. Orbital warfare, at this time, is hypothetical. We aren't at Star Wars levels yet.

To your first point, we all know that already.

To your second point, I agree it is not that now and since that is not the case, the USAF makes a better case for being in charge than the Navy. I was just trying to think ahead long term and avoid a bureaucratic mess that will be sure to happen.

Actually the only thing limiting Orbital Warfare right now is the payload cost to put something into orbit (think it is $10k/pound last I looked). Once that becomes cheaper, the KE bombardment aka "Rods from God" side of things becomes a very real possibility. We have the ability currently to control such a projectile to hit within a very close area, at least close enough that it will not matter if you miss by a bit.

[AZGrizFan]

Lost of good points up there, WB. Allow me to correct myself and add a note:

1) I'm an idiot.
https://www.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/About-Space-Force/

2 - I don't believe that space travel is their mission. It appears to be more C4i or C5i. In the future that will probably change but for now, it appears we're building / improving our defensive posture using space as a battleground. Orbital warfare, at this time, is hypothetical. We aren't at Star Wars levels yet.

To your first point, we all know that already.

To your second point, I agree it is not that now and since that is not the case, the USAF makes a better case for being in charge than the Navy. I was just trying to think ahead long term and avoid a bureaucratic mess that will be sure to happen.

Actually the only thing limiting Orbital Warfare right now is the payload cost to put something into orbit (think it is $10k/pound last I looked). Once that becomes cheaper, the KE bombardment aka "Rods from God" side of things becomes a very real possibility. We have the ability currently to control such a projectile to hit within a very close area, at least close enough that it will not matter if you miss by a bit.

could we spend some of that money and drop a rod from God onto the presidential palace in Kabul?