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Meanwhile, at Obama's Superspreader Event. :lol:

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kalm wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:35 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:40 pm Sounds really bad on top, but when you read facility for the elderly, you realize it's the advanced age/comorbidity issue raising it's head. Although the numbers are not looking good.

This also raises the question about vaxxed employees and if they will bring COVID into the facilities.

I was really glad Joe Rogan talked about how there has been nothing said about improving our health to better cope with disease. I talk about health and fitness a lot with my family, but not anyone else, due to not wanting to "judge" anyone. Maybe we need to bring back more health and PE classes for our kids. Been thinking that for years.

https://therayfield.com/majority-of-hos ... tal-doctor

Rogan was very correct on advice for improving overall health. He’s been cringe worthy when it comes to other measures.

The article was interesting. I guess Fauci and the NIH funding is now a hoax since the article confirms it was caused by the Chinese Communist Party? :suspicious:

Or maybe Fauci and the NIH ARE the CCP? :suspicious: :suspicious:
Here is the basis for the article. One reason I chose THAT article is because they mention the hospital is for the elderly. You can tell it's a fear mongering attempt to leave that out of the article.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:48 am
kalm wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:35 am

Rogan was very correct on advice for improving overall health. He’s been cringe worthy when it comes to other measures.

The article was interesting. I guess Fauci and the NIH funding is now a hoax since the article confirms it was caused by the Chinese Communist Party? :suspicious:

Or maybe Fauci and the NIH ARE the CCP? :suspicious: :suspicious:
Here is the basis for the article. One reason I chose THAT article is because they mention the hospital is for the elderly. You can tell it's a fear mongering attempt to leave that out of the article.

A tweet with no citations? Sorry if I’m skeptical.

Edit...I didn’t see the video. Still skeptical.
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What? :lol:
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Huh? :lol:
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These are the memes of the year. :rofl:

Whoever made them is my new superhero. :notworthy:
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kalm wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:00 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:48 am

Here is the basis for the article. One reason I chose THAT article is because they mention the hospital is for the elderly. You can tell it's a fear mongering attempt to leave that out of the article.
A tweet with no citations? Sorry if I’m skeptical.

Edit...I didn’t see the video. Still skeptical.
How about this then? 11 out of 15 at a party, all vaccinated, contract breakthrough case of COVID. It's all these little bits and pieces that are starting to show up in the US as the vaccine wears off. I don't think we've seen the worst of the vaccinated who will catch COVID.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op ... story.html
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:58 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:00 am

A tweet with no citations? Sorry if I’m skeptical.

Edit...I didn’t see the video. Still skeptical.
How about this then? 11 out of 15 at a party, all vaccinated, contract breakthrough case of COVID. It's all these little bits and pieces that are starting to show up in the US as the vaccine wears off. I don't think we've seen the worst of the vaccinated who will catch COVID.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op ... story.html
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houndawg wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:01 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:58 pm

How about this then? 11 out of 15 at a party, all vaccinated, contract breakthrough case of COVID. It's all these little bits and pieces that are starting to show up in the US as the vaccine wears off. I don't think we've seen the worst of the vaccinated who will catch COVID.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op ... story.html
They won't be the ones needing ventilators :coffee:
You're right. It'll be those with comorbidities that are always in trouble with respiratory illnesses. Unvaxxed and vaxxed with comorbidities show they are not totally safe.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:58 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:00 am

A tweet with no citations? Sorry if I’m skeptical.

Edit...I didn’t see the video. Still skeptical.
How about this then? 11 out of 15 at a party, all vaccinated, contract breakthrough case of COVID. It's all these little bits and pieces that are starting to show up in the US as the vaccine wears off. I don't think we've seen the worst of the vaccinated who will catch COVID.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op ... story.html
That’s a very interesting article. Bracing for at least another year or so of shit not going away. Probably much longer if you consider international implications.
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I just did a quick and dirty analysis for myself to see if there is a correlation between vaccination rate by State and COVID-19 cases. So as not to take too much time I just went with cases reported on the last day on which at least ALMOST all states reported daily cases at the Worldometers site. That's August 6. Actually I started entering the data thinking ALL the states had reported for August 6 but it turns out that the last date reported for Iowa and South Dakota was August 4. At that point I was not going to start over so I just left those two States out.

So, anyway, I ran a Spearman correlation between vaccination rate by State and cases per million population reported by State on August 6. The coefficient is -0.67718 with 48 data pairs. That is so highly significant that the on line calculator I used to do it puts p at 0. >99.9999 and a bunch of other 9s to the right of the decimal point confidence.

There is absolutely not doubt, none, that higher vaccination rate is associated with lower case rate. Yes you can say maybe one should use something like a weekly average instead of a single day. But all that is likely to do is make the correlation stronger.

The anti vax people need to just stop. Please. The vaccines work extremely well. It's obvious. It's not a close call. At this point you have to be a complete idiot not to recognize it.

Oh...I used the vaccination rate map at https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus- ... ne-tracker for vaccination rates. Set it at "Fully vaccinated."
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:53 pm I just did a quick and dirty analysis for myself to see if there is a correlation between vaccination rate by State and COVID-19 cases. So as not to take too much time I just went with cases reported on the last day on which at least ALMOST all states reported daily cases at the Worldometers site. That's August 6. Actually I started entering the data thinking ALL the states had reported for August 6 but it turns out that the last date reported for Iowa and South Dakota was August 4. At that point I was not going to start over so I just left those two States out.

So, anyway, I ran a Spearman correlation between vaccination rate by State and cases per million population reported by State on August 6. The coefficient is -0.67718 with 48 data pairs. That is so highly significant that the on line calculator I used to do it puts p at 0. >99.9999 and a bunch of other 9s to the right of the decimal point confidence.

There is absolutely not doubt, none, that higher vaccination rate is associated with lower case rate. Yes you can say maybe one should use something like a weekly average instead of a single day. But all that is likely to do is make the correlation stronger.

The anti vax people need to just stop. Please. The vaccines work extremely well. It's obvious. It's not a close call. At this point you have to be a complete idiot not to recognize it.

Oh...I used the vaccination rate map at https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus- ... ne-tracker for vaccination rates. Set it at "Fully vaccinated."
You suppose the CDC stopping the tracking of all case counts for the vaccinated who weren't hospitalized or dead has anything to do with your lower case counts? I pointed this issue out back then. You might need to rerun the numbers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/risk-of ... 021-7?op=1
The CDC stopped tracking most COVID-19 cases in vaccinated people. That makes it hard to know how dangerous Delta really is
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Pelosi had other parties? Does anyone follow the rules at Martha's? Other parties. Plural. Was she Typoid Pelosi'ing all night?

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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:53 pm I just did a quick and dirty analysis for myself to see if there is a correlation between vaccination rate by State and COVID-19 cases. So as not to take too much time I just went with cases reported on the last day on which at least ALMOST all states reported daily cases at the Worldometers site. That's August 6. Actually I started entering the data thinking ALL the states had reported for August 6 but it turns out that the last date reported for Iowa and South Dakota was August 4. At that point I was not going to start over so I just left those two States out.

So, anyway, I ran a Spearman correlation between vaccination rate by State and cases per million population reported by State on August 6. The coefficient is -0.67718 with 48 data pairs. That is so highly significant that the on line calculator I used to do it puts p at 0. >99.9999 and a bunch of other 9s to the right of the decimal point confidence.

There is absolutely not doubt, none, that higher vaccination rate is associated with lower case rate. Yes you can say maybe one should use something like a weekly average instead of a single day. But all that is likely to do is make the correlation stronger.

The anti vax people need to just stop. Please. The vaccines work extremely well. It's obvious. It's not a close call. At this point you have to be a complete idiot not to recognize it.

Oh...I used the vaccination rate map at https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus- ... ne-tracker for vaccination rates. Set it at "Fully vaccinated."
What's the correlation for states with high case numbers or low case numbers and vaccination rates and new case rates?

I'm wondering if states with low case numbers likely have lower vaccination rates and higher new case rates. In other words, states with high new case rates have a larger pool of non-infected/non-vaccinated people. The scenario being that people in states with the lower cases in the past feel less threatened and therefore declined vaccination. And what is happening is just a balancing out.

Also, is there truly a "political divide" in vaccinations as CNN likes to point out? For example, if you point to a southern red state for low vaccination rate, how would you explain the black population's low vaccination rate in NYC?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: First...folx? I wasn't aware that was a word.

2nd - IS BLM taking the Republican position on vaccine requirements? I'm so turned around on this. :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: First...folx? I wasn't aware that was a word.

2nd - IS BLM taking the Republican position on vaccine requirements? I'm so turned around on this. :lol:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:19 pm Pelosi had other parties? Does anyone follow the rules at Martha's? Other parties. Plural. Was she Typoid Pelosi'ing all night?
I love the bullet points from the article...
On Saturday afternoon Pelosi bumped into Obama at the Vineyard Haven County Club, while she was having lunch with Oprah Winfrey

Obama played at the club's golf course on Friday with Don Cheadle and at least 20 other friends, while his Secret Service entourage looked on

Pelosi arrived on the island to attend 'private events in support of House Democrats'

Pelosi was also spotted at Winnetu Ocean Resort in Edgartown, the same place where Obama hosted a pre-party Friday

Guests included Beyonce, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Gayle King, Tom Hanks and George Clooney, all of whom are said to be staying at the resort
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89Hen wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:39 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:19 pm Pelosi had other parties? Does anyone follow the rules at Martha's? Other parties. Plural. Was she Typoid Pelosi'ing all night?
I love the bullet points from the article...
On Saturday afternoon Pelosi bumped into Obama at the Vineyard Haven County Club, while she was having lunch with Oprah Winfrey

Obama played at the club's golf course on Friday with Don Cheadle and at least 20 other friends, while his Secret Service entourage looked on

Pelosi arrived on the island to attend 'private events in support of House Democrats'

Pelosi was also spotted at Winnetu Ocean Resort in Edgartown, the same place where Obama hosted a pre-party Friday

Guests included Beyonce, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Gayle King, Tom Hanks and George Clooney, all of whom are said to be staying at the resort
I'd be willing to bet all the money I have that everyone was vaccinated.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:08 am
89Hen wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:39 am
I love the bullet points from the article...

I'd be willing to bet all the money I have that everyone was vaccinated.
I don't think that would be a wise bet.
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89Hen wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:09 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:08 am
I'd be willing to bet all the money I have that everyone was vaccinated.
I don't think that would be a wise bet.
A bunch of liberals?
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:23 am
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:lol: :lol: :lol: First...folx? I wasn't aware that was a word.

2nd - IS BLM taking the Republican position on vaccine requirements? I'm so turned around on this. :lol:
Must be the woke term like Latinx, in which only around 4% of Latinos know about!
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:31 am
89Hen wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:09 am

I don't think that would be a wise bet.
A bunch of liberals?
For what it is worth, Candace Owens tweeted she personally knows two unvaccinated that were in attendance. At this point, almost 6 months out, I would be worried more about the vaccinated spreading Delta than the unvaccinated.
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