Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

You know who freaked out? The libs in Austin, Dallas and Houston. The rest of the state basically lit the fire in the fireplace, cooked on their BBQ and filled their bathtubs with water to wait it out. Granted, if the grid is zapped, those remedies aren’t going to get you through it, but the libs were looking for a “government save me” solution from minute ONE.

Not everyone has a fireplace or the ability to save themselves. Brace yourself for increased expectations that government will save people. Especially when it comes to protecting and managing basic resources like heat and water.

No shit, sherlock. And some people (who claim to be fully functioning adults) have ZERO ability to save themselves.

[kalm]

Downsides worse than people not having heat or water? I can't imagine a downside worse than freezing to death.

It's a multi-step strategy Fiver. Move to renewable energy sources and then argue that the high cost of electricity is a sign of systematic racism because a higher percentage of minorities are adversely affected.

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

[kalm]

Not everyone has a fireplace or the ability to save themselves. Brace yourself for increased expectations that government will save people. Especially when it comes to protecting and managing basic resources like heat and water.

No shit, sherlock. And some people (who claim to be fully functioning adults) have ZERO ability to save themselves.

That’s your disconnect. There’s WAY more than some.

[Winterborn]

No shit, sherlock. And some people (who claim to be fully functioning adults) have ZERO ability to save themselves.

That’s your disconnect. There’s WAY more than some.

Agree.

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[AZGrizFan]

No shit, sherlock. And some people (who claim to be fully functioning adults) have ZERO ability to save themselves.

That’s your disconnect. There’s WAY more than some.

Well then, we could stand a good EMP pulse or two...thin the herd of those who should never have survived anyways....

[AZGrizFan]

It's a multi-step strategy Fiver. Move to renewable energy sources and then argue that the high cost of electricity is a sign of systematic racism because a higher percentage of minorities are adversely affected.

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

In general. This is not one of those cases.

[kalm]

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

In general. This is not one of those cases.

What’s not one of those cases? The Texas fiasco?

[UNI88]

It's a multi-step strategy Fiver. Move to renewable energy sources and then argue that the high cost of electricity is a sign of systematic racism because a higher percentage of minorities are adversely affected.

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

Yes it's happening. One side is arguing that nothing is wrong and we should just keep going as we are while the other side is arguing that the sky is falling and we should move to renewable energy sources immediately without addressing the pitfalls and challenges. The smart path is somewhere between those two extremes but both sides are too self-righteous and arrogant to see it.

[kalm]

That’s your disconnect. There’s WAY more than some.

Agree.

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[kalm]

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

Yes it's happening. One side is arguing that nothing is wrong and we should just keep going as we are while the other side is arguing that the sky is falling and we should move to renewable energy sources immediately without addressing the pitfalls and challenges. The smart path is somewhere between those two extremes but both sides are too self-righteous and arrogant to see it.

No doubt. But the optimist in me says that’s exactly how we find the middle. It ain’t pretty at times but that sensible balance between independence and community is our sweet spot.

[Winterborn]

Regardless, it’s happening. We can whine about the evil liberals or accept that change is constant and recognize that in general, things improve.

Might need to trade your vehicle in for a horse and buggy though.

Yes it's happening. One side is arguing that nothing is wrong and we should just keep going as we are while the other side is arguing that the sky is falling and we should move to renewable energy sources immediately without addressing the pitfalls and challenges. The smart path is somewhere between those two extremes but both sides are too self-righteous and arrogant to see it.

Fracking and the corresponding drop in NatGas prices are doing more to shutdown older coal fired plants then the EPA. Problem is peaking plants make horrible base load plants.

[HI54UNI]

Yes it's happening. One side is arguing that nothing is wrong and we should just keep going as we are while the other side is arguing that the sky is falling and we should move to renewable energy sources immediately without addressing the pitfalls and challenges. The smart path is somewhere between those two extremes but both sides are too self-righteous and arrogant to see it.

Fracking and the corresponding drop in NatGas prices are doing more to shutdown older coal fired plants then the EPA. Problem is peaking plants make horrible base load plants.

Coal is all running today. No wind. Our area of the grid has 29,000 MW of wind capacity. Only 600 MW is running which is 2% of energy demand. Coal is 51%, natural gas is 33%.

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota down to 2300 active cases of Covid, pretty much back to normal. 592,000 recovered.

[HI54UNI]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

[Gil Dobie]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

Preventing the spread was the reason to wear the mask. It's never been about protecting the person wearing the mask.

[GannonFan]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

Preventing the spread was the reason to wear the mask. It's never been about protecting the person wearing the mask.

That's not true. Early on, once they decided that people should be wearing masks, it was about self protection. Only later was it clarified that your mask was protecting others. Mask guidance, especially early on, was messy and changing (evolving). I don't think that was/is a bad thing, no need to gloss over history to make it look better. The only thing that was shady was when Fauci knew we should be wearing masks but said the opposite in order to make sure we had enough masks for health care professionals. Maybe it was for the right reason, but when you actually lie about something it always looks shady afterwards. Especially when you are the subject matter expert.

[SDHornet]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

Deep breath

[SDHornet]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

Preventing the spread was the reason to wear the mask. It's never been about protecting the person wearing the mask.

[GannonFan]

Fracking and the corresponding drop in NatGas prices are doing more to shutdown older coal fired plants then the EPA. Problem is peaking plants make horrible base load plants.

Coal is all running today. No wind. Our area of the grid has 29,000 MW of wind capacity. Only 600 MW is running which is 2% of energy demand. Coal is 51%, natural gas is 33%.

So all you need to do is replace 84% of your total energy production with complete renewables in the next 10-15 years. What's the problem??

[SeattleGriz]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

So it's like I said. Masks were mandated because people apparently forgot how to cough/sneeze into their elbow or to simply not be a dick and got out in public sick.

[GannonFan]

Btw, work changed the rules last night, we're on the honor system, but if you are two weeks out from being fully vaccinated you can now go mask-free in the workplace. Anyone who still isn't two weeks since getting their final shot are to still wear masks. Nobody is checking medical records or checking vaccination cards, so it's all the honor system. I'm going the whole day without a mask. Amazing the number of folks still wearing masks. Some are vaccinated folks who just aren't going to risk it, others are folks who didn't get vaccinated. Will be interesting to see this change over the next month and if more get vaccinated or just ditch the masks because they want to.

[Gil Dobie]

Preventing the spread was the reason to wear the mask. It's never been about protecting the person wearing the mask.

That's not true. Early on, once they decided that people should be wearing masks, it was about self protection. Only later was it clarified that your mask was protecting others. Mask guidance, especially early on, was messy and changing (evolving). I don't think that was/is a bad thing, no need to gloss over history to make it look better. The only thing that was shady was when Fauci knew we should be wearing masks but said the opposite in order to make sure we had enough masks for health care professionals. Maybe it was for the right reason, but when you actually lie about something it always looks shady afterwards. Especially when you are the subject matter expert.

I don't ever remember hearing it was for protection of the person wearing masks. I always understood it was to prevent spreading to another person. My local clinic has promoted wear mask for patients with reparatory illness for several years now, to prevent the spread to other patients. Maybe it's because I have Asian friends that told me that when this started in Asia.

[GannonFan]

Back on topic - anybody been reading the released Fauci emails?

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location," he said.

So it's like I said. Masks were mandated because people apparently forgot how to cough/sneeze into their elbow or to simply not be a dick and got out in public sick.

People are (your word) "dicks". How many times have you been in work or at church or in a theater and you hear someone hacking the whole time - awful cough, or frequent sneezing or something like that? And certainly you hear kids doing the same, and people wiping their hands on their chair or pew or seat or something. People are disgusting, and too many sick people don't stay home from work or school or church when they are sick. My wife is a teacher and certainly has seen kids basically coughing up a mucus covered lung and yet they're still in school. It would be great if people learned from this pandemic to just stay home when they're sick. I'm not optimistic though. People aren't that considerate or thoughtful.

[Gil Dobie]

Preventing the spread was the reason to wear the mask. It's never been about protecting the person wearing the mask.

You would laugh if I said the earth was a sphere.

[kalm]

So it's like I said. Masks were mandated because people apparently forgot how to cough/sneeze into their elbow or to simply not be a dick and got out in public sick.

People are (your word) "dicks". How many times have you been in work or at church or in a theater and you hear someone hacking the whole time - awful cough, or frequent sneezing or something like that? And certainly you hear kids doing the same, and people wiping their hands on their chair or pew or seat or something. People are disgusting, and too many sick people don't stay home from work or school or church when they are sick. My wife is a teacher and certainly has seen kids basically coughing up a mucus covered lung and yet they're still in school. It would be great if people learned from this pandemic to just stay home when they're sick. I'm not optimistic though. People aren't that considerate or thoughtful.

All of these ^^^