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dbackjon wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:43 pm There was confirmed US person-to-person spread in January

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/30/cdc ... avirus-us/

WHO changed the guidance mid-January.

It had already spread from China when Trump "acted" Horse was out of the barn.

NO one knows what it will do in the summer. We do know (and knew then) that it was in Australia - which WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SUMMER then.

That is like saying "well we have the fire under control, it is only burning in one small area STUPID STATEMENT. Dumber to defend it.

Trump is ignorant of medical terms.


All are dumb statements.
WHO said no human to human transmission on 1/14. The 3 Trump statements you cited about 'under control' were 1/22, 1/24, and 1/30. The CDC release confirming the 1st known case of person to person spread in the US was on 1/30. Again, the 1st US fatality wasn't until 2/29. So yep, by all appearances in Jan, it was under control...

The WHO didn't change guidance in mid Jan. In mid Jan was when then said no human to human transmission. On 1/14:


Trump is right- NO ONE KNOWS what it will do here in the summer. For you to claim we do know is :dunce: because WE DON'T KNOW..
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Buddy in Nebraska tested negative for COVID-19, has Bronchitis.
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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:24 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:53 pm

We need to take steps but it's a question of how far should we go and what costs are acceptable. It's easy to say we should take whatever steps necessary to save lives but I would argue that at some point we'll go too far and give up to much freedom that will embolden some in power to try and take even more. I also think that the economic impact of our measures should be considered because if people are losing jobs and small businesses are going under then their access to healthcare will be negatively impacted at a time when they are vulnerable to not just Covid-19 but also to other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. There will be a point of diminishing returns where one life saved could cost two lives lost to other causes.
Recognized. Believe me, I’m researching SBA loans, tax relief/ grace periods, unemployment insurance changes for my employees all in an effort to maintain a golf course for re-opening with zero cash flow for at least the next month and likely longer.

But the virus doesn’t care and the existential threat remains until we have a better understanding and weapons to mitigate it with. It’s all about hospital beds, respirators, and PPE for the next few weeks.

There’s not a single infectious disease expert that would disagree with this take.
The virus doesn't care but neither do the other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. Infectious disease experts are focused on the infectious disease, they might not be considering the bigger picture impact. There is a point where the efforts to save lives from the infectious disease will cost more lives from other causes. We should be trying to save lives but we should not just be running pell-mell down the path giving up personal liberties without considering the consequences.
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Sweden sounds like could be the right approach. Went JSO with pasting about half the article, since behind a paywall.
The ski pistes are open, the restaurants are doing ample business and the malls are awash with shoppers.

Welcome to Sweden, the last holdout among the small number of Western countries to have taken a radically different approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

.....Sweden left offices and stores open, issued recommendations rather than restrictions, and waited to see what happens.

Businesses, kindergartens and schools remain open. After a long winter, Stockholm’s street cafes and outdoor bars swelled with people over the weekend, and the city’s old town drew large crowds as locals ventured out to enjoy the good weather. The only mandatory rules are a ban on meetings of more than 50 people and an order forcing bars and restaurants to only serve seated customers so as to avoid overcrowding....

...It is too early to assess whether Sweden’s approach will have a benign or catastrophic outcome, but so far, the virus hasn’t spread widely there. Sweden, with 10 million inhabitants, had 4,028 confirmed infections and 146 deaths by Monday, according to a tally compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Austria, a similarly-sized European country with about 8.8 million people that is under lockdown, had 9,200 cases and 108 deaths.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and architect of the policy, says the approach, much like the original British one, is to let the virus spread as slow as possible while sheltering the elderly and the vulnerable until much of the population becomes naturally immune or a vaccine becomes available.

....Sweden has a long tradition of favoring voluntary guidelines—which call on the elderly to self-isolate and the young to reduce social mobility—over coercive measures. Dr. Tegnell said that could lead to higher compliance.

“A majority of people will stay home if they get symptoms,” he said. “We want to slow down the epidemic until Sweden experiences some sort of peak, and if the peak is not too dramatic we can continue.”

Unlike in the U.K., there is little sign of a backlash against the voluntary approach from a worried public. A Novus poll last week showed 80% of people approved of a speech by Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, in which he appealed to the personal responsibility of each adult citizen to prevent the disease’s spread.

In Stockholm this past weekend, more people appeared to avoid closed spaces than the previous weekend, and travelers on public transport were sitting apart from each other. Some Stockholmers are staying home and many skiers have cut short their trips to popular resorts such as Åre. The number of people using Stockholm’s underground and commuter trains dropped by 50% last week, according to Storstockholms Lokaltrafik, the public transport company.

Some European experts and officials, including Ansgar Lohse, a prominent German doctor, and Sir Patrick Vallance, chief scientific adviser to the British government, have praised the approach.

But even some of these proponents say it might be hard to replicate outside the specific context of Scandinavia. In Swedish culture, they note, generations don’t interact as much as they do in, say Italy. More than half of Swedish households consist of a single person, according to official data. This means less risk of younger people passing on the virus to their elders.

It may also explain why a disproportionate number of Sweden’s Covid-19 deaths occurred within the country’s Somali community, whose members tend to live in cramped accommodation in poorer neighborhoods, with more intergenerational mingling and less access to government information....
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grizzaholic wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:38 pm
Pwns wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:27 pm Just walked in because I thought I heard Bob Dammit's voice.
I have been here for 3 days and 13 hours because I sensed a lack of HI54UNI's picture postings. :coffee:
I blame Spanos. We could use his take on the pandemic for entertainment.
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China not counting positives if they have no symptoms

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... o-symptoms
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Pwns wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:20 am
grizzaholic wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:38 pm

I have been here for 3 days and 13 hours because I sensed a lack of HI54UNI's picture postings. :coffee:
I blame Spanos. We could use his take on the pandemic for entertainment.
Now is not the time to blame anyone. We just need to pick ourselves up and act like adults. Oh and stop listening to celebrities, athletes, politicians, and radio personalities.
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grizzaholic wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:48 am
Pwns wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:20 am

I blame Spanos. We could use his take on the pandemic for entertainment.
Now is not the time to blame anyone. We just need to pick ourselves up and act like adults. Oh and stop listening to celebrities, athletes, politicians, and radio personalities.
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:11 am
grizzaholic wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:48 am

Now is not the time to blame anyone. We just need to pick ourselves up and act like adults. Oh and stop listening to celebrities, athletes, politicians, and radio personalities.
Make me.
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grizzaholic wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:15 am
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:11 am

Make me.
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This is such fucking bullshit....especially considering that Coronavirus attacks the lungs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/clim ... rules.html
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mainejeff wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:06 am This is such fucking bullshit....especially considering that Coronavirus attacks the lungs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/clim ... rules.html
The EPA is not even in the office in the area where I work in PA - they're all working remotely and a lot of work can't be done out of the office. Social distancing and all.
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During this Coronavirus thing, why haven't I heard anyone being worried about the poor drug dealers? I mean, they are just trying to get a little paper for their family, and now no one is out driving and everyone is staying home. Are they also doing the home delivery service?
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:49 am Free tacos today at Taco Bell.
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/taco ... oronavirus
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Co-worker may have it, her niece does. The place they called said they are not testing unless it's serious.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:58 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:36 pm

Eh, he was right about shutting down travel to China. Something the open borders leftists lambasted him for. Trump has said plenty of stupid stuff about this (and plenty of other issues), but when leftist governors like Cuomo and Newsom give him praise then I think we can pretty much put to bed the idea that his handling of this has been a total train wreck.
No, the two are not related not at all; Trump said in so many words that if you want ventilators you better praise him. You were probably sucking him off at the time and didn't hear it. :coffee: :bj:
You mean like how CA was sitting on 4k of their own ventilators for so long that they had to be refurbished before being available for use? :lol:
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bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:08 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:32 amAnd precisely why the only people I’m personally scared for is my parents and my in-laws, all in their mid-late 80’s. If they get it, they’re a goner, no doubt.
This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?
Lot's of people like that. My dad is 70, his response was "yeah well I can run a mile faster than almost all people my age so I'm not worried". :? :lol:

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dbackjon wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:18 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:08 pm Murica!

Ford, GE plan to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/ford-ge ... -days.html
Too bad Trump waited two months to activate DPA. We would be 40 days out from getting them.
2 months ago China and WHO were still claiming the Chinese Flu didn't transmit human to human. So yeah...
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For physical distancing you might need to maintain 25-30 feet....
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/coronavir ... esearcher/
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Chris Cuomo tested positive.
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Was watching some doctor being interviewed the other day and she said that the virus is transmitted far more by airborne droplets than contact.

I'm finding that hard to believe. Maybe it's an easier path for the virus but I wonder if it is "far more" than by contact. I don't know.

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The captain of the USS Roosevelt has requested the Navy evacuate the ship.
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CAA Flagship wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:30 pm Chris Cuomo tested positive.
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