Coronavirus COVID-19

[GannonFan]

I'm not sure how you can't be anxious about this - when there's literally no answer to how this ends outside of a medical breakthrough (in accurate testing, treatment or ultimately vaccination) then there's no end in sight for this. We're past this being a political thing in terms of solution (if there ever was one) and are clearly in the area of needing a medical solution. We're basically hunkering down like folks did back in the times of plagues and just hoping we and people we like don't get sick - we just get to do it with multiple streaming services and a lifetime worth of tv entertainment.

Well put, GF. And the tension rises because, as it turns out, the elderly are not the only ones getting this awful disease. My wife and I both got our flu and “age 65 pneumonia” shots before this all hit, so we’re keeping our fingers crossed.

I wish you and the wife well and by all means hunker away. Hopefully you have a younger family member or friend getting your groceries and other stuff for you too. I'm still south of 50 so I head out, to work and for when we need stuff, but I even feel like I'm rolling the dice walking through soviet-style picked over grocery stores.

[AZGrizFan]

Question: Once you get it are you then immune?

[GannonFan]

Question: Once you get it are you then immune?

Nobody even knows that, and there's some evidence that you aren't. And then even if you aren't, it's a question of whether you get sick again or are you a carrier/spreader? Again, we're past the political solutions, assuming they even existed - these are medical questions that need medical solutions. Big Pharma has a huge chance to really step up here and prove their worth.

[BDKJMU]

Last week, CVS Health’s Aetna division became the first major carrier to waive cost-sharing on Covid-19 hospitalization at its in-network health systems.

Cigna and Humana will waive patient cost-sharing on all treatment for coronavirus, including hospitalizations and ambulance transfers, for their insured members and employer plans.The waiver applies to all medical costs related to the treatment of coronavirus, including FDA-approved medications and vaccines when they become available.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/cigna-a ... costs.html

How could this be? I thought insurance companies were heartless, evil greedy companies..

[dbackjon]

And precisely why the only people I’m personally scared for is my parents and my in-laws, all in their mid-late 80’s. If they get it, they’re a goner, no doubt.

This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

[dbackjon]

This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?

And my dad’s wife told me yesterday “well we’re staying in place.....but I DO go to Walmart every other day or so to get stuff I need....”

WTF? On a GOOD day Walmart is a disease-ridden shithole. And she’s going there every other DAY?

I told her to stay the fuck home and call my sister(s) if she needs something.

We are doing no contact drop offs for Alex's parents - both in their 80's, Mom has asthma, Dad is a cancer survivor.

[GannonFan]

This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

Done, right (i.e. masks, gloves, etc) I could see places like that being fine to be open, especially in less-dense areas of the country. But it does fall back into kalmie's question in this thread or another in terms of how persistent are people at being responsible in every interaction?

[dbackjon]

And precisely why the only people I’m personally scared for is my parents and my in-laws, all in their mid-late 80’s. If they get it, they’re a goner, no doubt.

My wife’s parents are also in that category. Since we can’t visit them, Mrs. Ivy calls regularly and e-mails them pictures of our granddaughter.

I’m normally a fairly upbeat person, as my posts on here reflect, but fear of the virus is now getting to me. I had my first Covid nightmare last night. My wife is more anxious about it than I am, and I have to maintain a brave front to keep her spirits up. So I spend my days reading, binge-watching TV shows, taking long walks, organizing house projects, and talking to you assholes.

I am having those too - especially since Alex works at a grocery store. He is stressing as well.

[AZGrizFan]

Question: Once you get it are you then immune?

Nobody even knows that, and there's some evidence that you aren't. And then even if you aren't, it's a question of whether you get sick again or are you a carrier/spreader? Again, we're past the political solutions, assuming they even existed - these are medical questions that need medical solutions. Big Pharma has a huge chance to really step up here and prove their worth.

I’ve heard yes and no.....wonder where we can get a straight answer on this?

[UNI88]

Portland nurse borrows RV through Nextdoor app to protect family from exposure

So, she turned to her Nextdoor app, asking her neighbors, if anyone had one that she could borrow.
...
And within a couple days, she had an RV in her driveway. “Sharon and Norm were nice enough to bring it over and say don’t worry about it, just clean it when you’re done, and that was really touching,” said Fitzgerald.

It’s a safe place to shower and stay, if necessary, feet from her husband and kids.

[CAA Flagship]

Portland nurse borrows RV through Nextdoor app to protect family from exposure

So, she turned to her Nextdoor app, asking her neighbors, if anyone had one that she could borrow.
...
And within a couple days, she had an RV in her driveway. “Sharon and Norm were nice enough to bring it over and say don’t worry about it, just clean it when you’re done, and that was really touching,” said Fitzgerald.

It’s a safe place to shower and stay, if necessary, feet from her husband and kids.

NORM!!!!!!!!

[89Hen]

[BDKJMU]

This could accelerate things. Yesterday in the WSJ by a Kansas City doc.. Since its paywall, I went all JSO and pasted the 1st 2/3 of the article:

An Update on the Coronavirus Treatment
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin continue to show results for patients.

In the fight against Covid-19 though we might look forward in doom, one day we will look backward in awe. In an article last week, I discussed a promising drug combination to treat the disease. There is now new data supporting this treatment. Since then, Kansas City area physicians, including Joe Brewer, Dan Hinthorn and me, continue to treat many patients, and some have shown improvement. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added hydroxychloroquine to treatment options. So here’s an update, a response to some questions that have come up, and suggestions based on the latest information.

What is the treatment?

Physicians are using two drugs in combination—hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, which I’ll abbreviate HC and AZ—to treat patients with advanced Covid-19 symptoms. We use a regimen reported in a recent open-label trial in Marseille, France, which was updated March 26, and which doctors may modify in any given case.

What is the evidence?

For HC, two bodies of evidence support its potential in treating Covid-19: in vitro (test tube) studies and initial clinical reports from the field. After the 2002-03 global outbreak of SARS, a coronavirus related to the one that causes Covid-19, an in vitro study conducted by doctors from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified chloroquine (a relative of HC) as an attractive option for prevention and treatment. If added before the virus was introduced, the drug was highly effective in preventing cellular infection. Even later application markedly inhibited infection. Another contemporaneous study showed similar results. As for Covid, a Chinese study published March 9 showed HC has excellent in vitro effects. Other recent information suggests potential antiviral mechanisms of HC and chloroquine.

The bedrock of all infectious medicine, from developing treatments for specific infections to treating individual patients, is in vitro laboratory testing and patient trials. Covid-19 is no exception. Current laboratory data suggest that HC should work.

Clinical information has also emerged from Covid treatment. During the initial Chinese outbreak, Wuhan doctors observed that patients with lupus—a disease for which HC is a common treatment—did not seem to develop Covid-19. Of 178 hospital patients who tested positive, none had lupus and none were on HC. None of this Wuhan hospital’s dermatology department’s 80 lupus patients were infected with the novel coronavirus. The Wuhan doctors hypothesized that this may be due to long-term use of HC. They treated 20 Covid-19 patients with HC. Their result: “Clinical symptoms improve significantly in 1 to 2 days. After five days of chest CT examination, 19 cases showed significant absorption improvement.”

Second, consider AZ—the antibiotic marketed as Z-Pak—combined with HC. The French study showed that 57% of 14 Covid-19 patients receiving HC without AZ tested negative for the virus on a nasal swab on day six. But 100% of the six patients who received both HC and AZ tested negative on day six. Compare that with 16 infected patients at another hospital who didn’t receive either treatment: only 12% tested negative on day six. These are small samples, but significant.

The authors of the French study last week published the results of an additional 80 hospitalized patients receiving a combination of HC and AZ. By day eight of treatment, 93% showed a negative nasopharyngeal swab for the virus. “This allowed patients to rapidly be discharged from highly contagious wards with a mean length of stay of five days,” the authors write. “Other teams should urgently evaluate this cost-effective therapeutic strategy, to both avoid the spread of the disease and treat patients as soon as possible before severe respiratory irreversible complications take hold.” I agree.

What are the risks?

The World Health Organization lists both HC and AZ as essential medicines, “considered to be the most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system.” These drugs have been in use for many years—HC since 1955 and AZ since 1988. Only the combination is new. For now it isn’t well understood why the mix is so effective.....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-update- ... 1585509827

The doc continues to say:
-HC overall is safe, but are some negative side affects.
-NY State has started large controlled clinical trial.
-Used to treat malaria, lupus and other diseases, so can't exhaust the supply. Need to treat the sickest 1st, be strategic about it, increase supply.

[dbackjon]

Yeah for Science!!

There needs to be controls on the prescriptions of these drugs - already Lupus patients are being delayed on refills.

[Baldy]

What a sniveling lying brain dead man-cunt.

Hospital Ship USNS Comfort Arrives In New York To Ease Coronavirus Pressure



Hopefully she'll get the virus and eat a bullet.

[Silenoz]

And precisely why the only people I’m personally scared for is my parents and my in-laws, all in their mid-late 80’s. If they get it, they’re a goner, no doubt.

This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?

My elderly mother-in-law wants to fly up in a few weeks to... uh, actually I have no idea. I have no idea what is going through her head. We have three little kids trying their hardest to find a way to infect our house too.

(Old) people are stubborn.

[CAA Flagship]

My elderly mother-in-law wants to fly up in a few weeks to... uh, actually I have no idea. I have no idea what is going through her head. We have three little kids trying their hardest to find a way to infect our house too.

(Old) people are stubborn.

Ah yes, mother-in-laws.
They are special people.
I'm shocked there isn't a day set aside to recognize them.
I truly believe that they deserve a set day on our National Holiday calendar to take a pause in our daily lives and take our MIL's out to a special place............













......and shoot them.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So he died of cancer and they are gonna say it was Coronavirus to pad the stats..... Got it.

Yeah, that's it Dr. Alpha. Because battling cancer means an imminent death.

If he died in a car accident, I guess it was the cancer's fault too.

No it would either be a guns fault or Coronavirus. Got to get those numbers up so people will start to care.

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

What a sniveling lying brain dead man-cunt.

Hospital Ship USNS Comfort Arrives In New York To Ease Coronavirus Pressure



Hopefully she'll get the virus and eat a bullet.

Amen

Hopefully after she just got done sucking Don Lemons cock

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[∞∞∞]

Nobody even knows that, and there's some evidence that you aren't. And then even if you aren't, it's a question of whether you get sick again or are you a carrier/spreader? Again, we're past the political solutions, assuming they even existed - these are medical questions that need medical solutions. Big Pharma has a huge chance to really step up here and prove their worth.

I’ve heard yes and no.....wonder where we can get a straight answer on this?

I have a close friend who's a researcher that works at the NIH (PhD and all that fun stuff). He says that INITIAL research points to the fact that people do build an immunity to it, but it's too early to tell how long people will have the immunity.

Nothing ground breaking, but that's from someone directly doing viral research at the NIH (all the NIH resources has been directed towards this thing). It's an all-hands-on-deck type of situation right now over there.

[AZGrizFan]

I’ve heard yes and no.....wonder where we can get a straight answer on this?

I have a close friend who's a researcher that works at the NIH (PhD and all that fun stuff). He says that INITIAL research points to the fact that people do build an immunity to it, but it's too early to tell how long people will have the immunity.

Nothing ground breaking, but that's from someone directly doing viral research at the NIH (all the NIH resources has been directed towards this thing). It's an all-hands-on-deck type of situation right now over there.

That’s similar to what I heard over the past couple days....there’s some promising info out there, but it’s too early to tell.

[Gil Dobie]

When I click on the temp on my phone, there is now an icon in the lower right for covid-19. Tells me how many cases in my county state and how many deaths. Also graph and map of incidents in area.

[kalm]

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

Done, right (i.e. masks, gloves, etc) I could see places like that being fine to be open, especially in less-dense areas of the country. But it does fall back into kalmie's question in this thread or another in terms of how persistent are people at being responsible in every interaction?

It’s still just a matter of buying time and flattening the curve enough to provide treatment for this AND regular healthcare services (broken bones, heart attacks, flu, etc at all hospitals.

A compromised healthcare system is the big concern where it could get much worse.

Blaine County, Idaho for a day was the biggest outbreak by percentage. A choir group in Mt. Vernon, WA of 60 people chose to still hold practice on March 10th. They were all asymptomatic. There are now 45 cases and 2 deaths from that group of 60.



Ganny, you’ve posted some good thoughts on this thread.

[bobbythekidd]

This is what scares me as well only add a million to the stress of it. My dad watches Fox news all day and is convinced this is a conspiracy to topple Trump. He is gone all day, everyday getting stuff for the house (recently moved to Arizona). Mom just told me she went to get her nails done on Saturday at the Chinese nail salon that is still open! WTF guys?

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

NW of Tuscon. Oro Valley? And Mom is a breast cancer survivor.

[AZGrizFan]

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

NW of Tuscon. Oro Valley?

That is some gorgeous country.