2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

[89Hen]

The very application of the word extremist is somewhat of a tell.

Maybe I'm reading into this, but are you saying Trip is not an extremist?

[AZGrizFan]

Trip's way is the dodo bird of evolutionary paths. He pretends to want a European system but that won't be far enough left. Ultimately, he, Bernie and the rest will want to follow the USSR and Venezuela model but they'll argue that we'll get it right this time.

I don't disagree with evolving the system but think we can do a lot better than following fools down the free sh!t path into oblivion.

Ganny and Winter nailed. As I've said before, the greatness of this country was achieved not because we veered to the left (compassion) or right (self reliance) but because of the interplay and compromise between the two.

I love your juxtaposition of compassion vs. self reliance. It’s truly a great point.

But to attribute a desire for Stalinism to Bernie or Trip is unfounded hysterics. It’s akin to seeing Nazis in everyone who wears a red hat.

He said nothing of Stalinism....perhaps you missed the "but we'll get it right this time" comment....

[89Hen]

» Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:01 pm

Shunning anything because you disagree with their views is a terrible way to live a life. You'll miss out on a lot of awesome people and other great things, and it'll limit your ability to have civilized debates and discussions.

I do miss young Trip.

[AZGrizFan]

» Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:01 pm

Shunning anything because you disagree with their views is a terrible way to live a life. You'll miss out on a lot of awesome people and other great things, and it'll limit your ability to have civilized debates and discussions.

I do miss young Trip.

His posts from four years ago are almost unrecognizable.

[kalm]

The very application of the word extremist is somewhat of a tell.

Maybe I'm reading into this, but are you saying Trip is not an extremist?

Of course he’s not an extremist, Silly.

[89Hen]

Maybe I'm reading into this, but are you saying Trip is not an extremist?

Of course he’s not an extremist, Silly.

I'm starting to wonder if Trip is your little brother. You're always protecting him as if he can't defend himself.

Not extreme - "the Constitution needs a little work"
Extreme - "the Constitution is crap"

[mainejeff]

This continued obsession over "Trip" is yawneriffic.

[kalm]

Of course he’s not an extremist, Silly.

I'm starting to wonder if Trip is your little brother. You're always protecting him as if he can't defend himself.

Not extreme - "the Constitution needs a little work"
Extreme - "the Constitution is crap"

Oh he defends himself quite well. I’m just trying to protect some of you pilers on from excessive group think. I only do it because I care.

[UNI88]

I'm starting to wonder if Trip is your little brother. You're always protecting him as if he can't defend himself.

Not extreme - "the Constitution needs a little work"
Extreme - "the Constitution is crap"

Oh he defends himself quite well. I’m just trying to protect some of you pilers on from excessive group think. I only do it because I care.

I've had guns pointed at me three times in my life. Two of those times, I just turned around and left and considered it a great defensive move. So I suppose Trip disappearing is also a great defensive move.

The third time was during an intruder lockdown while I was teaching and the police officers were pointing M16s at me so I decided that the best course of action was to remain very still.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm starting to wonder if Trip is your little brother. You're always protecting him as if he can't defend himself.

Not extreme - "the Constitution needs a little work"
Extreme - "the Constitution is crap"

Oh he defends himself quite well. I’m just trying to protect some of you pilers on from excessive group think. I only do it because I care.

Trip does a lot of things, but “defends himself quite well” is not one of them. Dude talks himself into more logical circles than anybody on this board.

[Ibanez]

Pete had a very engaging crowd this evening. Somewhere between 125-150 people. 15-20% black, 90% of whom were women. The rest were middle aged whites (30s-50s). Aside from talking about taking the White House, there wasn’t any Trump or GOP bashing. He came across very genuine and sincere. I found one thing interesting. - he said in order to pay for what he wants, he wants a to fix our spending problem before even thinking about raising revenue.


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[89Hen]

Oh he defends himself quite well. I’m just trying to protect some of you pilers on from excessive group think.

Why would there be any "pilers on" if he defended himself quite well?

[kalm]

Oh he defends himself quite well. I’m just trying to protect some of you pilers on from excessive group think.

Why would there be any "pilers on" if he defended himself quite well?

Group think.

[89Hen]

Why would there be any "pilers on" if he defended himself quite well?

Group think.

A bunch of people coming to the same conclusion is not always group think. I know you know that.

[Winterborn]

Pete had a very engaging crowd this evening. Somewhere between 125-150 people. 15-20% black, 90% of whom were women. The rest were middle aged whites (30s-50s). Aside from talking about taking the White House, there wasn’t any Trump or GOP bashing. He came across very genuine and sincere. I found one thing interesting. - he said in order to pay for what he wants, he wants a to fix our spending problem before even thinking about raising revenue.


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Sure......

They always sing a different tune once elected.

[SDHornet]

I do miss young Trip.

His posts from four years ago are almost unrecognizable.

I wonder what happened 4 years ago that caused him to go full retard.

[89Hen]

His posts from four years ago are almost unrecognizable.

I wonder what happened 4 years ago that caused him to go full retard.

Can you point to the doll and show me where Trump touched you?

[CAA Flagship]

I wonder what happened 4 years ago that caused him to go full retard.

Can you point to the doll and show me where Trump touched you?

[kalm]

Group think.

A bunch of people coming to the same conclusion is not always group think. I know you know that.

Of course! It’s also a part of the very definition of group think.

[Pwns]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opin ... COkGzb3ROs

I have a hard time wrapping my brain around Warren supporters who think Bernie is too radical.

Honestly, among all of the concerns with Bernie, I don't really care that much about his Cuba comments. The idea that if you say bad people or regimes might have good ideas that you're praising said person or regime is childish and is akin to what SJW leftists do.

[Ibanez]

Started my Bernie Sanders chia pet. A gag gift that keeps giving.


Here he is with Trump from my Legos Build The Wall kit.


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[kalm]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opin ... COkGzb3ROs

I have a hard time wrapping my brain around Warren supporters who think Bernie is too radical.

Honestly, among all of the concerns with Bernie, I don't really care that much about his Cuba comments. The idea that if you say bad people or regimes might have good ideas that you're praising said person or regime is childish and is akin to what SJW leftists do.

I find myself agreeing with Pwnsie more and more.

[houndawg]

We should have known that the grand finale for Boomer politics would be a doozy. Boomers are totally self-absorbed scorched Earth egos that can't take "no" for answer....and freak out if people disagree with them. Can't wait till most of them are dead.

Such an uncharitible young fellow...

[89Hen]

Honestly, among all of the concerns with Bernie, I don't really care that much about his Cuba comments. The idea that if you say bad people or regimes might have good ideas that you're praising said person or regime is childish and is akin to what SJW leftists do.

I don't give a rats arse either, but I'm not sure you'd ever say "Yeah but Hitler had a good infrastructure plan." or "Pol Pot was killer on early childhood education." even if they were true.

[houndawg]

Yes, he is a shill. Biggest one out there, with nothing to actually say.

"Moderates" have completely lost America, and deservedly so. You want to talk extreme? Moderates have created an extreme system where prisons are privatized, people resort to GoFundMe for bills, people choose between crushing debt or going to the hospital, productivity's grown but only the rich profit, corporations are valued instead of the environment, young people can't afford homes or families, manufacturers sold out employees for stockholders, students graduate with tens-of-thousands in debt, contractors are running the military, and whatever else I've forgotten. And Americans have grown into this radical system like a cooked frog.

"Moderates" simply have to look at themselves in the mirror to figure out why their policies are circling the drain. The rise of populism is their doing. The rise of Trump is their doing. The rise of Sanders is their doing.

There's nothing extreme when people push for government to return back to form, which is representing the working class.

What a load of nonsense. There are times when you just open up and it's amazing how cultish and robotic you've become. I'd ask you to come down off your high horse for a real discussion, but you've probably super-glued yourself into that saddle and you're going to ride it to the bitter end.

The rise of populism is easy to point a finger at and explain - it's because it's easy. Being an extremist is great - you don't have to justify anything or support your position because you already are convinced you're 100% correct. Even better, anyone who voices something in opposition to you can be dismissed because you know they are 0% correct. And once you're in that bubble of self-created infallibility then anything is fair game. Trump can lie 24/7 because his extremists are too busy wearing MAGA hats and attending rallies. Sanders can promise free everything with no cost because his extremists are sure that salvation from all work and worry are just an election away. There's very little thinking that goes on in extremists circles, just emotion. Of course, that's why often very little gets done with extremists. It feels good, but it doesn't go anywhere. Our culture at this point is ripe for extremism, and the beauty of social media is that it's a perfect vehicle to brandish and be proud of your unyielding positions on any and everything. The messy work of working with people with opposing views and trying to craft ideas and institutions that actually work is so mundane and boring compared to unabashed self-righteousness.

That's just us getting the government we deserve.