The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[Ibanez]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics ... index.html

I don't know how you can possibly read this and conclude there is some kind of quid pro quo.

I mean, I agree with Jelly that we need to also see what the whistleblower filed and any other conversations, but there is jack schit here and I don't know what some of the leftists who are chirping about this transcript are seeing.

It sounds like Zelenskyy is trying to butter him up and Trump does mention Biden but there's no real threat at all - even a veiled one (as if Trump is good with subtlety and putting subtext in his words).

From what has been presented, I don't see the quid pro quo either. I do see Trump getting his ass kissed. I see him asking a foreign power to investigate the causes around the firing of that prosecutor (which based off the history will involve Biden). I'm not sure about the ethics, but it sounds weird. Why would Trump care about some Ukrainian prosecutor losing his job?

[css75]

Mark it down, the big loser on this will end up being Biden.


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[Skjellyfetti]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics ... index.html

I don't know how you can possibly read this and conclude there is some kind of quid pro quo.

I mean, I agree with Jelly that we need to also see what the whistleblower filed and any other conversations, but there is jack schit here and I don't know what some of the leftists who are chirping about this transcript are seeing.

It sounds like Zelenskyy is trying to butter him up and Trump does mention Biden but there's no real threat at all - even a veiled one (as if Trump is good with subtlety and putting subtext in his words).

Zelensky asks for anti-tank missiles. (Quid)

Trump immediately says he has to "favor" to ask, though. (Quo)

1) find out if the DNC server is in Ukraine. (lol)
2) find out about the Bidens

And, by the way, I'll have my personal attorney check up on this.



It's not explicit, but a quid pro quo also doesn't have to be.

[SeattleGriz]

Is Trump part of the intelligence community?

Not answering this garbage...it's time to stop you conservatives from spinning everything.

The whistleblower's complaint, as required to be handed over by law, sure would be nice.

It's a legitimate question. I'm sure there have been quite a few Presidents who have spoken openly, but I've never seen their discussions splashed all over. Maybe there is a reason...like they don't fall under the intelligence whistle blowers.

With that being said, I like to see it as well, just for the drama aspect.

[SeattleGriz]

What if the summary conveniently leaves something out?

The document makes clear it is not a verbatim transcript of the conversation. Call me crazy, but I'd want the actual conversation. Perhaps those that were taking notes didn't hear something, or something got lost in translation. What we have is the combination of the note takers confirming what they wrote down and what the voice recognition software captured. Maybe it is the best. I read it briefly. What's Rush saying? I'm sure he's got it all figured out.

Ibanez nails it.

Another conspiracy! Love it. Do you two have matching foil hats?

[89Hen]

It's not explicit, but a quid pro quo also doesn't have to be.

Especially for political purposes.

[SeattleGriz]

Hey at least the rest of you actually have contributions and arguments. 89 just says a sentence or two, often half of it is name-calling. And when he does contribute, it's completely void of any sort of morality.

He is by far, almost terrifyingly the least empathetic person on this board. Even Alpha, who I can't stand, lived by some ideals I could at least respect.

89hen has Jesus



So he doesn't need morals or empathy or any of that hippie sh!t (that Jesus stood for)

Look out 89. The Atheist is now going to tell you everything you need to know about Jesus.

What was that statement about protesting too much?

[89Hen]

It's OK SG. I never bring up religion here. Only the atheists on board do.

[Ibanez]

Ibanez nails it.

Another conspiracy! Love it. Do you two have matching foil hats?

Who said anything about conspiracy?

Why would you not want to hear from the horses mouth, the conversation? You're going to trust note takers? C'mon Dana, you can't be that partisan or naive. Wouldn't you want the Presidents own words to vindicate him? I would.

[Ibanez]

Not answering this garbage...it's time to stop you conservatives from spinning everything.

The whistleblower's complaint, as required to be handed over by law, sure would be nice.

It's a legitimate question. I'm sure there have been quite a few Presidents who have spoken openly, but I've never seen their discussions splashed all over. Maybe there is a reason...like they don't fall under the intelligence whistle blowers.

With that being said, I like to see it as well, just for the drama aspect.

Trump should be speaking openly. I suspect this whistle-blower heard the conversation and thought it was improper when really, it's probably the normal course of business for two executives.

[Ibanez]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics ... index.html

I don't know how you can possibly read this and conclude there is some kind of quid pro quo.

I mean, I agree with Jelly that we need to also see what the whistleblower filed and any other conversations, but there is jack schit here and I don't know what some of the leftists who are chirping about this transcript are seeing.

It sounds like Zelenskyy is trying to butter him up and Trump does mention Biden but there's no real threat at all - even a veiled one (as if Trump is good with subtlety and putting subtext in his words).

Zelensky asks for anti-tank missiles. (Quid)

Trump immediately says he has to "favor" to ask, though. (Quo)

1) find out if the DNC server is in Ukraine. (lol)
2) find out about the Bidens

And, by the way, I'll have my personal attorney check up on this.



It's not explicit, but a quid pro quo also doesn't have to be.

Skelly, the favor was asked before the Javelins were discussed.

[SeattleGriz]

Durham is investigating Ukraine on Russia collusion.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/25/tr ... erference/

[SeattleGriz]

Another conspiracy! Love it. Do you two have matching foil hats?

Who said anything about conspiracy?

Why would you not want to hear from the horses mouth, the conversation? You're going to trust note takers? C'mon Dana, you can't be that partisan or naive. Wouldn't you want the Presidents own words to vindicate him? I would.

Oh I don't doubt if left to own devices, those that needed to provide a transcript would leave out incriminating evidence. I simply don't think Trump can hide anything from those that want to snoop, as evidenced by this whole thing.

A whistleblower, who didn't hear the conversation, but heard it second hand submits a complaint?

The President's private conversation with another President leaked.

[Skjellyfetti]

Zelensky asks for anti-tank missiles. (Quid)

Trump immediately says he has to "favor" to ask, though. (Quo)

1) find out if the DNC server is in Ukraine. (lol)
2) find out about the Bidens

And, by the way, I'll have my personal attorney check up on this.



It's not explicit, but a quid pro quo also doesn't have to be.

Skelly, the favor was asked before the Javelins were discussed.

No. It immediately follows it.

We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike...

[GannonFan]

Skelly, the favor was asked before the Javelins were discussed.

No. It immediately follows it.

We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike...

Skelly, the favor that Trump asked for was not the Biden thing, but for Ukraine to look into the ownership of Crowsdstrike, the company that the DNC went to to investigate the email breach back in 2016. That's not the same thing as Biden at all.

[89Hen]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 438140001/

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters on Wednesday he didn't feel pressure from President Donald Trump to look into political rival Joe Biden even though a summary of a July phone call between the two leaders showed that Trump discussed the former vice president and his son.

“Nobody pushed me,” Zelensky said while seated next to Trump at the United Nations in New York. “Good phone call. It was normal.”

[Ibanez]

Durham is investigating Ukraine on Russia collusion.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/25/tr ... erference/

In a July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, President Donald Trump asked the new leader to assist the United States in its ongoing investigation of foreign interference in the 2016 elections.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't Trump repeatedly denied foreign interference in the 2016 elections? So...why would he have a foreign government investigate something that he doesn't believe occurred?

[SeattleGriz]

Durham is investigating Ukraine on Russia collusion.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/25/tr ... erference/

In a July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, President Donald Trump asked the new leader to assist the United States in its ongoing investigation of foreign interference in the 2016 elections.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't Trump repeatedly denied foreign interference in the 2016 elections? So...why would he have a foreign government investigate something that he doesn't believe occurred?

Manafort was big in Ukraine. Part of Bill Barr looking at how it all started.

Supposedly, the Obama admin asked Ukraine for dirt.

[GannonFan]

Btw, Schiff called the phone call a "classic mafia shakedown". What mafia movies is that guy watching? They must be the most boringest mafia movies on the planet. If that was a script for a movie I'd change channel.

[CAA Flagship]

Btw, Schiff called the phone call a "classic mafia shakedown". What mafia movies is that guy watching? They must be the most boringest mafia movies on the planet. If that was a script for a movie I'd change channel.

I saw that earlier. What a joke. It's like describing "a horrific accident" when there is video of a fender bender.

[Chizzang]

July 25 - Ukraine phonecall

July 28 - Dan Coats resigns because he feels his duties are at odds with Trump.

July 28 - Trump announces Ratcliffe as his pick.

Aug. 2 - Ratcliffe resigns position less than a week later amidst criticisms of resume padding.

Aug. 8 - Trump picks Maguire.

Aug. 8 - Dan Coats interrupts a meeting to urge his deputy, Sue Gordon to resign. She announces her resignation.

Aug. 12 - Whistleblower complaint is filed.

Aug. 15 - Coats and Gordon depart (both are Trump admin nominees).

Aug. 26 - Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.

Aug. 28 - First reporting that Ukraine military aid is being withheld.

Sep. 2 - Deadline passes for complaint submission.

Sep. 9 - Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.

Sep. 10 - Schiff demands DNI submit complaint.

Sep. 12 - Trump finally releases Ukraine military aid.

Sep. 13 - Schiff subpoenas Maguire.

Sep. 17 - Maguire refuses to testify - suspicions of WH/DOJ stonewalling.

Sep. 18 - Media revelations of the "promise" made to foreign nation.

Sep. 19 - Media revelations that Ukraine is involved.

Sep. 19 - The Intelligence inspector general gives a classified briefing to the House Intelligence Committee.

Sep. 20 - It's reported that Trump pressed Zelensky to investigate Biden's son during a call on July 25.

Sep. 22 - Trump acknowledges that he discussed Joe Biden in a July call with Zelensky.

Sep. 24 - Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry.

Sep. 25 - Officials report that Maguire threatened to resign if pressured to stonewall Congress by the WH.

Sep. 25 - Whistleblower complaint to be sent to Congress at 4 PM E.T.

Sep. 26 (tomorrow) - Maguire scheduled to testify.

[css75]

Thx is going to be fun watching the Dems chase their tails. They brought charges without any documentation, the whistleblower is most likely a plant, and identity will surely be leaked. Jelly and others here will resemble fools once again. Nothing burger


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[Ivytalk]

July 25 - Ukraine phonecall

July 28 - Dan Coats resigns because he feels his duties are at odds with Trump.

July 28 - Trump announces Ratcliffe as his pick.

Aug. 2 - Ratcliffe resigns position less than a week later amidst criticisms of resume padding.

Aug. 8 - Trump picks Maguire.

Aug. 8 - Dan Coats interrupts a meeting to urge his deputy, Sue Gordon to resign. She announces her resignation.

Aug. 12 - Whistleblower complaint is filed.

Aug. 15 - Coats and Gordon depart (both are Trump admin nominees).

Aug. 26 - Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.

Aug. 28 - First reporting that Ukraine military aid is being withheld.

Sep. 2 - Deadline passes for complaint submission.

Sep. 9 - Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.

Sep. 10 - Schiff demands DNI submit complaint.

Sep. 12 - Trump finally releases Ukraine military aid.

Sep. 13 - Schiff subpoenas Maguire.

Sep. 17 - Maguire refuses to testify - suspicions of WH/DOJ stonewalling.

Sep. 18 - Media revelations of the "promise" made to foreign nation.

Sep. 19 - Media revelations that Ukraine is involved.

Sep. 19 - The Intelligence inspector general gives a classified briefing to the House Intelligence Committee.

Sep. 20 - It's reported that Trump pressed Zelensky to investigate Biden's son during a call on July 25.

Sep. 22 - Trump acknowledges that he discussed Joe Biden in a July call with Zelensky.

Sep. 24 - Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry.

Sep. 25 - Officials report that Maguire threatened to resign if pressured to stonewall Congress by the WH.

Sep. 25 - Whistleblower complaint to be sent to Congress at 4 PM E.T.

Sep. 26 (tomorrow) - Maguire scheduled to testify.

Who needs Congress? We have Cleets. Guilty.

[SeattleGriz]

July 25 - Ukraine phonecall

July 28 - Dan Coats resigns because he feels his duties are at odds with Trump.

July 28 - Trump announces Ratcliffe as his pick.

Aug. 2 - Ratcliffe resigns position less than a week later amidst criticisms of resume padding.

Aug. 8 - Trump picks Maguire.

Aug. 8 - Dan Coats interrupts a meeting to urge his deputy, Sue Gordon to resign. She announces her resignation.

Aug. 12 - Whistleblower complaint is filed.

Aug. 15 - Coats and Gordon depart (both are Trump admin nominees).

Aug. 26 - Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.

Aug. 28 - First reporting that Ukraine military aid is being withheld.

Sep. 2 - Deadline passes for complaint submission.

Sep. 9 - Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.

Sep. 10 - Schiff demands DNI submit complaint.

Sep. 12 - Trump finally releases Ukraine military aid.

Sep. 13 - Schiff subpoenas Maguire.

Sep. 17 - Maguire refuses to testify - suspicions of WH/DOJ stonewalling.

Sep. 18 - Media revelations of the "promise" made to foreign nation.

Sep. 19 - Media revelations that Ukraine is involved.

Sep. 19 - The Intelligence inspector general gives a classified briefing to the House Intelligence Committee.

Sep. 20 - It's reported that Trump pressed Zelensky to investigate Biden's son during a call on July 25.

Sep. 22 - Trump acknowledges that he discussed Joe Biden in a July call with Zelensky.

Sep. 24 - Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry.

Sep. 25 - Officials report that Maguire threatened to resign if pressured to stonewall Congress by the WH.

Sep. 25 - Whistleblower complaint to be sent to Congress at 4 PM E.T.

Sep. 26 (tomorrow) - Maguire scheduled to testify.

Who needs Congress? We have Cleets. Guilty.

I thought JournoList went out of business.

[JohnStOnge]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics ... index.html

I don't know how you can possibly read this and conclude there is some kind of quid pro quo.

I mean, I agree with Jelly that we need to also see what the whistleblower filed and any other conversations, but there is jack schit here and I don't know what some of the leftists who are chirping about this transcript are seeing.

It sounds like Zelenskyy is trying to butter him up and Trump does mention Biden but there's no real threat at all - even a veiled one (as if Trump is good with subtlety and putting subtext in his words).

Zelenskyy: "We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."

Trump: " I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out..."

It's very easy to read that as an effort to establish a quid pro quo. That was Trump's immediate response. You have to be seriously obtuse not the recognize that as going for a quid pro quo.