9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

[GannonFan]

Welp, 93 and I had a good time at the game today, notwithstanding the result, and met several of NDSU’s fine AGS posters. See the AGS game thread for photos and commentary. Very impressive bunch, those Bison: both their team and their fans.

Meeting J. Gilmour Dobie would have made my day complete.

Sorry we missed you, GF. We scanned section C, but didn’t make a sighting.

89 AWOL and blames his wife....SMH...

Yeah, no worries, we got into the stadium late - my BIL came to the game and I was showing them around the stadium. Didn't get into our seats until just before UD came out.

Loving the Boy Scout parking lot, though. Easy getting in, easy getting out, tons of grass for the kids to play on, and only costs $10 per game. What a deal. We'll have to meet up at another game.

[Ivytalk]

There are some fired up mofos on GoHens over that fake.

I told 'em, if you don't like it, then stop it.

But yes, very curious call.

I don't have a problem with that concept from the defensive side of the ball - those guys should've stopped it. But let's be honest, calling a fake FG there is a classic douche move by a program that's supposedly not about that. Kick the FG or go for it on 4th down. They've certainly had time to learn how to win in style, but that was not indicative of that. Both positions are right - if you're the defensive, don't whine, just stop it. If you're the offense, don't do something so clearly douchie.

And yes, some of those GoHens guys are just whiners.

93 and I were halfway down 896 by then.

[93henfan]

Welp, 93 and I had a good time at the game today, notwithstanding the result, and met several of NDSU’s fine AGS posters. See the AGS game thread for photos and commentary. Very impressive bunch, those Bison: both their team and their fans.

Meeting J. Gilmour Dobie would have made my day complete.

Sorry we missed you, GF. We scanned section C, but didn’t make a sighting.

89 AWOL and blames his wife....SMH...

Yeah, no worries, we got into the stadium late - my BIL came to the game and I was showing them around the stadium. Didn't get into our seats until just before UD came out.

Loving the Boy Scout parking lot, though. Easy getting in, easy getting out, tons of grass for the kids to play on, and only costs $10 per game. What a deal. We'll have to meet up at another game.

Great tip on the parking. That little lot on the back side of the church is awesome. Left at one light and you're on 896 to Slower Delaware!

[Ivytalk]

Welp, 93 and I had a good time at the game today, notwithstanding the result, and met several of NDSU’s fine AGS posters. See the AGS game thread for photos and commentary. Very impressive bunch, those Bison: both their team and their fans.

Meeting J. Gilmour Dobie would have made my day complete.

Sorry we missed you, GF. We scanned section C, but didn’t make a sighting.

89 AWOL and blames his wife....SMH...

Yeah, no worries, we got into the stadium late - my BIL came to the game and I was showing them around the stadium. Didn't get into our seats until just before UD came out.

Loving the Boy Scout parking lot, though. Easy getting in, easy getting out, tons of grass for the kids to play on, and only costs $10 per game. What a deal. We'll have to meet up at another game.

You mean the Lutheran Church lot on East Chestnut Hill Road? Yup, ten bucks for easy in, easy out. 93 and I just had to make sure we didn’t tread on the cremains of dead Lutherans as we walked back.

[GannonFan]

I don't have a problem with that concept from the defensive side of the ball - those guys should've stopped it. But let's be honest, calling a fake FG there is a classic douche move by a program that's supposedly not about that. Kick the FG or go for it on 4th down. They've certainly had time to learn how to win in style, but that was not indicative of that. Both positions are right - if you're the defensive, don't whine, just stop it. If you're the offense, don't do something so clearly douchie.

And yes, some of those GoHens guys are just whiners.

93 and I were halfway down 896 by then.

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

[JBB]

93 and I were halfway down 896 by then.

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

[Gil Dobie]

93 and I were halfway down 896 by then.

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

New coach has done a few things that make you think wtf is he doing. He's like a kid in a candy store. Needs an experienced mentor, or at least someone to call his shit.

[GannonFan]

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

Candidate for post of the year for stupidest comment ever. If that was the case, why didn't NDSU onside kick today? That would've got Oregon all concerned about NEXT years game, no? Where was the flea flicker? Where was the hook and ladder, where were all the other gadget plays? You typed 3 paragraphs to try to explain away a douchie decision, saying it was to put stuff on film for a game next season.

[Gil Dobie]

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

Candidate for post of the year for stupidest comment ever. If that was the case, why didn't NDSU onside kick today? That would've got Oregon all concerned about NEXT years game, no? Where was the flea flicker? Where was the hook and ladder, where were all the other gadget plays? You typed 3 paragraphs to try to explain away a douchie decision, saying it was to put stuff on film for a game next season.

Coach said this , plus he wasn't confident in the defense. Another WTF moment.

[JBB]

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

Candidate for post of the year for stupidest comment ever. If that was the case, why didn't NDSU onside kick today? That would've got Oregon all concerned about NEXT years game, no? Where was the flea flicker? Where was the hook and ladder, where were all the other gadget plays? You typed 3 paragraphs to try to explain away a douchie decision, saying it was to put stuff on film for a game next season.

Why would they bother to onside kick? Maybe they do that next week? Dont fire all your guns at once, make them watch every week. Delaware was the demonstration game for the fake FG, not the flea flicker (may not have one), not the hook and ladder (might not have one of those either) or any other gadget play.

Sorry it ruffled your feathers. Of course losing the biggest game in Delaware history since at least 1970, as one of your fans said, might make you a little touchy. You will get over it.

I think the score today and the Delaware record over the past few years is enough proof that its Delaware and its fans that dont understand the game. Same can't be said for NDSU football and its fans.

You were lucky to be exposed first hand to championship football Saturday. You should be grateful for the opportunity and not AOC it.

[JBB]

Hey JBB Oregon looked good today didn't they?

Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:48 am JBB said:
Yes, they are fast, athletic and strong at every position. They aren't unbeatable though. The game plan is under development now and has been since late last season.

Attention and focus on the fundamentals of the game, strong spiritual lifes and clean healthy living will be the foundation of that game plan.

NDSU is playing that game every week now until kickoff next year in Eugene. Deleware was just another practice Duck.

[CAA Flagship]

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

I get what is being suggested here. But this is a two sided argument. The suggestion here is an effort to eat up prep time by having to go over what is seen on film. The other side of the argument would be that it is better to unveil something new in the target game at the appropriate time. In this case, it would be something that has the least pre-snap attention of the defense.

IMO, the defense on a FG attempt should always be prepared for a fake. Generally, almost half of the defense is in "fake mode" anyway, unless there is just a couple of seconds on the clock. It's silly to think this will eat up any more than a few minutes of prep time. If it we were talking about onsides kicks, then that would require more prep time, different alignments or personnel of the receiving team, and likely less effective return blocking. FG defense is more mental awareness. There isn't much you would do from an alignment or personnel change. So I think the argument is weak.

[JBB]

That's exactly correct flagship. The play needs to be practiced and demonstrated as a threat as well. Obviously they were no longer worried about the outcome of the game.

Its called deception. Ever hear of the fake hand-off, showing blitz?

Read the Art of War.

I didn't mean to be insulting when I said Delaware was a practice duck for NDSU. All teams are practice ducks for their opponent. All teams are practicing to get better and the games are the measuring stick of progress.

The steam in our GAM boilers is down and there is repair work to do from a lot of incoming fire over the weekend but it is up and running and on a very successful season run so far. Good luck next week.

Got to go, I think the load of coal is here for the boilers.

[UNI88]

There are some fired up mofos on GoHens over that fake.

I told 'em, if you don't like it, then stop it.

But yes, very curious call.

I don't have a problem with that concept from the defensive side of the ball - those guys should've stopped it. But let's be honest, calling a fake FG there is a classic douche move by a program that's supposedly not about that. Kick the FG or go for it on 4th down. They've certainly had time to learn how to win in style, but that was not indicative of that. Both positions are right - if you're the defensive, don't whine, just stop it. If you're the offense, don't do something so clearly douchie.

And yes, some of those GoHens guys are just whiners.

Despite any excuses or rationalization from the Bison faithful, it was a dick move. No need to rub salt in your opponent's wounds at that point in the game. Maybe Entz has more of an edge to him than Klieman and this is how he's going to differentiate himself.

And I hate the "if you don't like it, then stop it" argument. Not because it isn't true but because if the Hens could have stopped the Bison they would have been doing it earlier. When a game is over and your opponent is embarrassing you, you get angry, try harder and you might play a split second longer and/or hit an inch or so lower. As a coach, I wouldn't want to put my players at greater risk of injury because I was being a dick.

[JBB]

I thought it was kind of crappy yesterday up 3 scores with something like 2 minutes left in the game to fake a Field Goal. Either kick the field goal, or just keep your offense on the field and go for it on 4th down. I think the trick play felt cheap coming from a great team that most UD fans really respected.

At the end of the day it's on you to stop your opponent, and if you don't, there's no one to blame but yourself. In this case it felt cheap and unnecessary when you clearly had your opponent beat.

This doesn't change my opinion of NDSU in one bit though.

A poor loser posted this someplace. In fact they are taking a lot of shots at NDSU in a lot of places.

Besides the tactical advantages and future value of a great play like that there is something else this participation trophy common core individual misses. At the time NDSU was ahead but it wasn’t insurmountable. Delaware was supposed to be a ranked team.

Here’s a suggestion for all poor losers. Which portions of the playbook should be off limits at 7-0. At 14-0. 21-0? That’s something for you common core poor losers to ponder. The rest of the football playing world will play to win.

Don’t they have a common core participation league for people like you? If not maybe D2? You definitely shouldn’t be playing football with well coached grown men intent on winning.

When you come out of your safe space try and relax.

We thought Delaware was good and the play was a show of respect among other things.

[Gil Dobie]

I like Kliemans sportsmanship better than Entz's.

[JBB]

Just an opinion man.

We may be watching a great head coach emerge at NDSU. Entz has good cut to his jib. I like Entz’s sportsmanship better than the sportsmanship of some Delaware fans.

I get it though. We should be concerned about their feelings and pick a lower winning margin for them and only run certain plays so Delaware looks good. I guess The Bison are now responsible for that too?

That play served a lot of purposes. It also took the wind out of their sails, the fight out of the dog, the meat out of their bun. We ate their lunch after that. A genius coaching move for a winning coach.

[JBB]

Besides, their defense was poorly coached and they left the play undefended. The BISON are coached to take what they give. Their claim of unwarranted humiliation is actually a cry for help. They need better coaches too.

Exposing that is just one more favor NDSU did for them.

[Bison56]

I didn't know about it until I saw those GoHens guys whine about it so I watched it on my TiVo and it looked pretty douchie.

You folks just dont understand football which explains your 0-2 record against the Bison and today’s game. The field goal play had nothing to do with Delaware, except your obviously injured pride. It was done for the teams still on the Bison schedule, Ducks included.

This is essentially the same Bison team that faces the Ducks next season. Most everything NDSU does right now has the Ducks in mind and they are indeed watching.

On NDSU’s first score opening week they went for 2 and made it. That was another obvious example of a demonstration for future opponents.

We are all dumber now for reading this.
Honestly I laughed so hard at this I was crying.

[JBB]

Im not sure your capable of getting any dumber, or fatter. Ive seen you.

you are the flotsam and jetsam of BV remember? Of course you can't, poor dear man.

[kalm]

Im not sure your capable of getting any dumber, or fatter. Ive seen you.

you are the flotsam and jetsam of BV remember? Of course you can't, poor dear man.

* you're

[JBB]

Now 56, since you have had your insult, and I have had mine, I think what you may have said is there is no deception in football and NDSU coaches are not thinking about or planning for the Ducks?

Of course it's not their main priority, but I believe its always on the platter. To beat the Ducks it would be nice to have a conference and national title for credibility. A good game plan for victory. A well coached, athletic football team capable of winning it on the field. We know NDSU is working on all 3.

You're welcome!

[Gil Dobie]

Just hope Entz doen't have too much babich in him.

[89Hen]

There are some fired up mofos on GoHens over that fake.

I told 'em, if you don't like it, then stop it.

But yes, very curious call.

I don't have a problem with that concept from the defensive side of the ball - those guys should've stopped it. But let's be honest, calling a fake FG there is a classic douche move by a program that's supposedly not about that. Kick the FG or go for it on 4th down. They've certainly had time to learn how to win in style, but that was not indicative of that. Both positions are right - if you're the defensive, don't whine, just stop it. If you're the offense, don't do something so clearly douchie.

And yes, some of those GoHens guys are just whiners.

+1

[GannonFan]

Btw, kinda the elephant in the room thing here. I had never seem NDSU live and in person before - UD had fallen from the heights of FCS prominence prior to NDSU coming on the scene, and I wasn't about to pay money to go all the way to Fargo last year to watch a middling UD team play. Now that I have though, I do have to say, all that talk about FCS not being as good as it was...

...is kinda true. I've seen a lot better football teams come through Newark (some UD teams, some not) than what I saw on Saturday. That Arkansas St team that tore through UD in the '86 playoffs stands out, and those Marshall/Montana teams from the 90's do as well. And I'd say the '03 UD team would've fared very well against this type of team. They're kinda like those Youngstown St teams under Tressel were - very good at what they do, but could be out-talented. Kudos to them for being able to sustain it over different groups of players and coaches, but it also speaks to the overall health of FCS as well that they've done that. And like I said, the eye-test I saw only reinforces that opinion.