AGS Preseason Poll

[kalm]

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Exactly. I had NDSU #7 in my preseason ballot. If it was most any other top-5 program from the previous year with those kind of personnel losses, I'd have put them at the bottom of the top-25 at best.

The most aggressive and anti slot voter out there!

I wanted to move them down to that level (and have before) but couldn’t pull the trigger.

[Gil Dobie]

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9 All MVFC preseason selections

Exactly. I had NDSU #7 in my preseason ballot. If it was most any other top-5 program from the previous year with those kind of personnel losses, I'd have put them at the bottom of the top-25 at best.

My biggest concern is bringing in a FBS QB to challenge a Fr QB for the starting position. Did the Bison staff think they struck out on the FR, or are they really having a QB competition. 3-8 the last time they missed on a QB.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Exactly. I had NDSU #7 in my preseason ballot. If it was most any other top-5 program from the previous year with those kind of personnel losses, I'd have put them at the bottom of the top-25 at best.

My biggest concern is bringing in a FBS QB to challenge a Fr QB for the starting position. Did the Bison staff think they struck out on the FR, or are they really having a QB competition. 3-8 the last time they missed on a QB.

Gil, they didn't exactly have the quality Oline then that they will likely have this season. I get it both were inexperienced but don't think it is the same situation as back then.

[Ivytalk]

I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism. Especially those prairie yokels from NDSU. (Gil is the exception that proves the rule.)

It has nothing to do with elitism. It's just that Ivy teams suck mostly and are too pussy to participate in the playoffs. They play in the playoffs in everything else, so the only explanation for football is that they're pussies.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

Take a number.

[Gil Dobie]

My biggest concern is bringing in a FBS QB to challenge a Fr QB for the starting position. Did the Bison staff think they struck out on the FR, or are they really having a QB competition. 3-8 the last time they missed on a QB.

Gil, they didn't exactly have the quality Oline then that they will likely have this season. I get it both were inexperienced but don't think it is the same situation as back then.

No doubt it's different and 3-8 is probably not going to happen, more like 6-6 or 7-5. A great O-line will only get you so far. Having a good QB is also important as you know. The RB stable is deep, but the #1 is injury prone, after that you have a former WR, another had an ACL a couple years ago, and a R-Freshman. The guy with 195 yards against SHSU in the playoffs, is out for the year with an ACL. They have good potential, but FCS is tough week after week. Last years to receiver just caught a TD for Green Bay last night, and I don't see anyone at that level stepping up this year. It will be tough for a defensive oriented coach to take over this offense and keep the train rolling.

[93henfan]

NDSU 6-6.

You're awesome, Gil.

[Ivytalk]

I’m giving serious thought to driving up to NewArk on 9/14 to watch that NDSU game. Where do UD fans piss now?

[kalm]

Gil, they didn't exactly have the quality Oline then that they will likely have this season. I get it both were inexperienced but don't think it is the same situation as back then.

No doubt it's different and 3-8 is probably not going to happen, more like 6-6 or 7-5. A great O-line will only get you so far. Having a good QB is also important as you know. The RB stable is deep, but the #1 is injury prone, after that you have a former WR, another had an ACL a couple years ago, and a R-Freshman. The guy with 195 yards against SHSU in the playoffs, is out for the year with an ACL. They have good potential, but FCS is tough week after week. Last years to receiver just caught a TD for Green Bay last night, and I don't see anyone at that level stepping up this year. It will be tough for a defensive oriented coach to take over this offense and keep the train rolling.

That system creates efficiency in QB’s. The pre-snap motion and misdirection confuses coverages and tends to get WR’s wide open allowing for easy throws.

The rushing game also pulls more defenders up into run support as the game wears on.

A bad year on defense would be giving up 15 ppg.

All of this leads to QB’s not having to fit a throw into tight spaces as often and/or win games with their arm. It’s about as good as you can get for easing someone into that position.

[HI54UNI]

NDSU 6-6.

You're awesome, Gil.

This. I'm too lazy too look back but haven't we heard this same shit every year for the last 5 years or so?

[Winterborn]

I’m giving serious thought to driving up to NewArk on 9/14 to watch that NDSU game. Where do UD fans piss now?

This will probably help make your decision to stay home, but I will be there.

Booked my plane tickets here a couple of weeks ago and snagged a seat through eh NDSU allotment.

[Pwns]

NDSU 6-6.

You're awesome, Gil.

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

[93henfan]

NDSU 6-6.

You're awesome, Gil.

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

It would be nice if underachieving Montana and Delaware could put together some semblance of credible teams on an FCS field again so this subdivision wasn't such a joke. I'm not trying to prop my own school, but FCS would be so much better with Richard Petty and David Pearson racing again instead of the Benny Parsons and Lenny Ponds that are are in the top ten nowadays.

I mean, this is going to sound disrespectful, but step back and just think about this for a second. The FCS top ten right now includes the likes of UC Davis, Weber State, Jacksonville State, and Nicholls State.

Just let that sink in.

[Pwns]

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

It would be nice if underachieving Montana and Delaware could put together some semblance of credible teams on an FCS field again so this subdivision wasn't such a joke. I'm not trying to prop my own school, but FCS would be so much better with Richard Petty and David Pearson racing again instead of the Benny Parsons and Lenny Ponds that are are in the top ten nowadays.

I mean, this is going to sound disrespectful, but step back and just think about this for a second. The FCS top ten right now includes the likes of UC Davis, Weber State, Jacksonville State, and Nicholls State.

Just let that sink in.

I don't disagree. Just having Montana and Delaware getting back to normal could make the FCS playoffs a lot more fun.

I think Curt Cignetti will have JMU going strong too, and that'll help too.

[89Hen]

I mean, this is going to sound disrespectful, but step back and just think about this for a second. The FCS top ten right now includes the likes of UC Davis, Weber State, Jacksonville State, and Nicholls State.

Just let that sink in.

We all know I-AA is a shell of it's former self. We settled that last year.

[93henfan]

I mean, this is going to sound disrespectful, but step back and just think about this for a second. The FCS top ten right now includes the likes of UC Davis, Weber State, Jacksonville State, and Nicholls State.

Just let that sink in.

We all know I-AA is a shell of it's former self. We settled that last year.

Let's try to Make Montana Great Again® and Make Delaware Great Again®. Hell, let's make Furman, Idaho, Youngstown, and McNeese great again too. There's still hope for this subdivision.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Gil, they didn't exactly have the quality Oline then that they will likely have this season. I get it both were inexperienced but don't think it is the same situation as back then.

No doubt it's different and 3-8 is probably not going to happen, more like 6-6 or 7-5. A great O-line will only get you so far. Having a good QB is also important as you know. The RB stable is deep, but the #1 is injury prone, after that you have a former WR, another had an ACL a couple years ago, and a R-Freshman. The guy with 195 yards against SHSU in the playoffs, is out for the year with an ACL. They have good potential, but FCS is tough week after week. Last years to receiver just caught a TD for Green Bay last night, and I don't see anyone at that level stepping up this year. It will be tough for a defensive oriented coach to take over this offense and keep the train rolling.

All strong points but I believe in an Oline a lot and I'm sure NDSU is back to the pack this season but by the end with some game experience it's hard to go against them for the rest of us I think. I understand the downplay on your end as you've been used to a bit more coming into the season for the last 8 or so years.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

We all know I-AA is a shell of it's former self. We settled that last year.

Let's try to Make Montana Great Again® and Make Delaware Great Again®. Hell, let's make Furman, Idaho, Youngstown, and McNeese great again too. There's still hope for this subdivision.

I'm with you but my man you just don't understand the sleeping giant that UC Davis is/has been and it might be time to add them (fairly soon) to the list of what we expect reps the good days.

I don't care what the names are on the marquee those teams mentioned as nobodies are as good as the teams of the past for the most part that would pop up for a few years and then go away. Talent is spread around pretty well now for sure.

But I am completely on board with your sentiment and hope it comes back like that.

[clenz]

NDSU 6-6.

You're awesome, Gil.

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

NDSU was average to bad at the full FCS level under Bohl. They weren't good until Klieman showed up.

We'll see how Entz handles being the HC now with Klieman gone.

[Silenoz]

That's fucking comical. Incarnate Word? Southeast Missouri State? Yale?

Montana rolls most of the bottom 10 in that poll.

wut

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[kalm]

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

NDSU was average to bad at the full FCS level under Bohl. They weren't good until Klieman showed up.

We'll see how Entz handles being the HC now with Klieman gone.

When did Kleiman arrive? They may have been the best team we faced in 2010/11. They were trending up.

[clenz]

NDSU was average to bad at the full FCS level under Bohl. They weren't good until Klieman showed up.

We'll see how Entz handles being the HC now with Klieman gone.

When did Kleiman arrive? They may have been the best team we faced in 2010/11. They were trending up.

2011 was his first year

2010 they got hot in the playoffs but were bleh before

That year they lost 3-0 in the final week of the regular season to Missouri State. They were 7-4 (4-4). OOC wins were MEAC Morgan State and transitioning USD and winless Kansas 6-3. They had negative 42 rushing yards against UNI that year.

They got Robert Morris in the first round of the playoffs and a vastly overvalued Montana State in the second game.

The fact they got into the playoffs was pretty controversial that year.

The Valley was super atrociously bad (UNI won it with a 7-5 record and won it outright with 2 weeks to go in the season)

They finished in a 7 way tie for 3rd - seriously 3rd through 9th all tied at 4-4

Team W L W L
#19 Northern Iowa 6 – 2 7 – 4
#17 Western Illinois 5 – 3 7 – 4
#9 North Dakota State 4 – 4 7 – 4
Indiana State 4 – 4 6 – 5
Illinois State 4 – 4 6 – 5
South Dakota State 4 – 4 5 – 6
Missouri State 4 – 4 5 – 6
Southern Illinois 4 – 4 5 – 6
Youngstown State 1-7 3-8

[kalm]

When did Kleiman arrive? They may have been the best team we faced in 2010/11. They were trending up.

2011 was his first year

2010 they got hot in the playoffs but were bleh before

That year they lost 3-0 in the final week of the regular season to Missouri State. They were 7-4 (4-4). OOC wins were MEAC Morgan State and transitioning USD and winless Kansas 6-3. They had negative 42 rushing yards against UNI that year.

They got Robert Morris in the first round of the playoffs and a vastly overvalued Montana State in the second game.

The fact they got into the playoffs was pretty controversial that year.

The Valley was super atrociously bad (UNI won it with a 7-5 record and won it outright with 2 weeks to go in the season)

They finished in a 7 way tie for 3rd - seriously 3rd through 9th all tied at 4-4

Team W L W L
#19 Northern Iowa 6 – 2 7 – 4
#17 Western Illinois 5 – 3 7 – 4
#9 North Dakota State 4 – 4 7 – 4
Indiana State 4 – 4 6 – 5
Illinois State 4 – 4 6 – 5
South Dakota State 4 – 4 5 – 6
Missouri State 4 – 4 5 – 6
Southern Illinois 4 – 4 5 – 6
Youngstown State 1-7 3-8

I had forgotten how bad the Valley was that year lol. Thx for clarifying.

Still I talked to one of our coaching staff after the championship game and he said NDSU was the most physical team they played and probably the best overall throughout. They were trending up and klieman may have been the final key.

[dbackjon]

We all know I-AA is a shell of it's former self. We settled that last year.

Let's try to Make Montana Great Again® and Make Delaware Great Again®. Hell, let's make Furman, Idaho, Youngstown, and McNeese great again too. There's still hope for this subdivision.

I'd be happy with MNAUGFO - Make NAU Great For Once

[93henfan]

Let's try to Make Montana Great Again® and Make Delaware Great Again®. Hell, let's make Furman, Idaho, Youngstown, and McNeese great again too. There's still hope for this subdivision.

I'd be happy with MNAUGFO - Make NAU Great For Once

I'll allow it.

[UNI88]

I suspect Gil believes if NDSU dominates under 3 consecutive head coaches that the argument about the competitive state of the FCS might be over.

I mean, I admit I thought there'd be regression after Bohl left (like so many programs when they make an internal hire after a coach that did a lot moves on) but then Klieman takes over and he goes to K State with the highest career win percentage of any DI head coach. History pretty much shows even for teams with elite FCS talent it's hard to maintain dominance through coaching changes.

NDSU was average to bad at the full FCS level under Bohl. They weren't good until Klieman showed up.

We'll see how Entz handles being the HC now with Klieman gone.

Entz is the big question in my opinion. Klieman's a helluva coach and UNI missed him. I'm not sure you can say the same thing about Entz.