So, the abortion issue is now back in the limelight...

[Chizzang]

It's full time work...
having to pretend to care so as to keep up the appearances of evenly applied morality



Good luck with all that

You can pretty much tell who doesn't care for children and isn't interested in having any of their own children by comments like this. Of course a person that doesn't really doesn't like children isn't going to understand the bond a parent can have with a Down's kid.

I'm not trying to make fun of you. Some of us are meant to be moms or dads, and others are meant to just be the cool aunt or uncle.

Spin it however you want...
The high ground of moral reasoning rarely spans cultural and societal gaps - and that's just human nature
We were designed to protect our own group / tribe / pack

Me thinking that 89Hen and you are "pretending to care" about all the babies around the globe
(a feat so absurd even God couldn't be bothered to try)
all so you can appear to have logical expansion of your ethics
really shouldn't bother you...

If that's the worst thing that happens to you today (me not believing you)
Then you probably live in America and are doing okay

[kalm]

It's full time work...
having to pretend to care so as to keep up the appearances of evenly applied morality



Good luck with all that

You can pretty much tell who doesn't care for children and isn't interested in having any of their own children by comments like this. Of course a person that doesn't really doesn't like children isn't going to understand the bond a parent can have with a Down's kid.

I'm not trying to make fun of you. Some of us are meant to be moms or dads, and others are meant to just be the cool aunt or uncle.

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

[∞∞∞]

You also forget to mention that those nations gave the woman the choice and in almost 100% of the cases, they still aborted the child after being fully educated on the issue.

An acquaintance had a child with downs syndrome. She hated him (yes, hate). There was nothing there: no emotion, no love, complete dependence, violent tendencies. Yes many are loving people, but those are typically the cases we hear about and see in public.

BTW, she gave him to the state. She was devoting so much time just caring for him she didn't realize how much she had been ignoring an older child who began developing psychological issues.

You are dead to me asshole.

That's fine, but there’s nothing noble about following through with the pregnancy. Like anything else, it's neither a good or bad choice. It's simply a choice with a consequence.

What does matter is a woman's freedom to choose, based on her definition of morality.

[∞∞∞]

You also forget to mention that those nations gave the woman the choice and in almost 100% of the cases, they still aborted the child after being fully educated on the issue.

An acquaintance had a child with downs syndrome. She hated him (yes, hate). There was nothing there: no emotion, no love, complete dependence, violent tendencies. Yes many are loving people, but those are typically the cases we hear about and see in public.

BTW, she gave him to the state. She was devoting so much time just caring for him she didn't realize how much she had been ignoring an older child who began developing psychological issues.

I'm sure they were given accurate and not-biased information about Down's and what to expect.

Actually yes, because European abortion laws are based on sound science and data.

While over here fake "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" operated by ~insert random evangelical organization~ can set up shop right next to an actual women's health center, lure them in, pretend to be medical professionals, and spread actual false information about abortions. And it's totally legal...because God.

[Pwns]

You can pretty much tell who doesn't care for children and isn't interested in having any of their own children by comments like this. Of course a person that doesn't really doesn't like children isn't going to understand the bond a parent can have with a Down's kid.

I'm not trying to make fun of you. Some of us are meant to be moms or dads, and others are meant to just be the cool aunt or uncle.

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

Just wondering: at what point do you get the license to at least have moral qualms about abortion?

When you write your congressman at least twice a week to end the war in Yemen, send 20 cans of food to Africa a week, donate $1000 to St Jude's a year, and free all the orcas from Sea World?

I just need to know how close to perfect we need the world to be before we're allowed to ask obvious moral questions that make abortionists uncomfortable.

[kalm]

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

Just wondering: at what point do you get the license to at least have moral qualms about abortion?

When you write your congressman at least twice a week to end the war in Yemen, send 20 cans of food to Africa a week, donate $1000 to St Jude's a year, and free all the orcas from Sea World?

I just need to know how close to perfect we need the world to be before we're allowed to ask obvious moral questions that make abortionists uncomfortable.

When you stop saying hypocritical things like in your quoted post, pretending to care about all children.

[Pwns]

Just wondering: at what point do you get the license to at least have moral qualms about abortion?

When you write your congressman at least twice a week to end the war in Yemen, send 20 cans of food to Africa a week, donate $1000 to St Jude's a year, and free all the orcas from Sea World?

I just need to know how close to perfect we need the world to be before we're allowed to ask obvious moral questions that make abortionists uncomfortable.

When you stop saying hypocritical things like in your quoted post, pretending to care about all children.

Check and mate. Better luck next time, kalmie.

[kalm]

When you stop saying hypocritical things like in your quoted post, pretending to care about all children.

Check and mate. Better luck next time, kalmie.

Huh?

Yeah I’d bow out of this too if I were you.

[89Hen]

Wow. Just wow. You are a fucking asshole too.

One is an easy target sitting atop a high horse...



Remember:
God kills damn near 25,000 children every day - but somehow he's not an asshole

https://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html

My horse could not have legs and still be considered "high" compared to your moronic statements on this. You just keep reminding me how much of a kryptonite this topic is for you.

[89Hen]

You are dead to me asshole.

That's fine, but there’s nothing noble about following through with the pregnancy. Like anything else, it's neither a good or bad choice. It's simply a choice with a consequence.

What does matter is a woman's freedom to choose, based on her definition of morality.

You can try to make it a women's issue. It's not.

[89Hen]

You can pretty much tell who doesn't care for children and isn't interested in having any of their own children by comments like this. Of course a person that doesn't really doesn't like children isn't going to understand the bond a parent can have with a Down's kid.

I'm not trying to make fun of you. Some of us are meant to be moms or dads, and others are meant to just be the cool aunt or uncle.

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

I don't recall you posting any photos of you at the Occupy Wall Street movements. I guess you only pretend to care about reform and regulations.

[kalm]

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

I don't recall you posting any photos of you at the Occupy Wall Street movements. I guess you only pretend to care about reform and regulations.

I was too busy being a capitalist....increasing tax revenues to help fund Planned Parenthood so they could further reduce the number of abortions.

You have to pick your battles.

[Pwns]

Let’s you, me, and 89 meet at the next rally to save the Yemeni children!

I don't recall you posting any photos of you at the Occupy Wall Street movements. I guess you only pretend to care about reform and regulations.

Maybe we can establish consistency standards for various types of advocacy and activism?

1. No complaining about money in US politics until you are actively working to fix places in the world where actual vote rigging occurs.

2. No voicing concerns about the minimum wage in the US until you do something about the lack of labor laws in Malaysia and Bangladesh.

3. Feminism (especially as it relates to objecting to abortion restrictions) isn't allowed until you are working to end female genital mutilation, honor killings, and female disenfranchisement over the entire world (i.e. Islamophobic Western cultural imperialism).

[89Hen]

I don't recall you posting any photos of you at the Occupy Wall Street movements. I guess you only pretend to care about reform and regulations.

I was too busy being a capitalist....increasing tax revenues to help fund Planned Parenthood so they could further reduce the number of abortions.

You have to pick your battles.

Like I thought.

[kalm]

I don't recall you posting any photos of you at the Occupy Wall Street movements. I guess you only pretend to care about reform and regulations.

Maybe we can establish consistency standards for various types of advocacy and activism?

1. No complaining about money in US politics until you are actively working to fix places in the world where actual vote rigging occurs.

2. No voicing concerns about the minimum wage in the US until you do something about the lack of labor laws in Malaysia and Bangladesh.

3. Feminism (especially as it relates to objecting to abortion restrictions) isn't allowed until you are working to end female genital mutilation, honor killings, and female disenfranchisement over the entire world (i.e. Islamophobic Western cultural imperialism).

Onerous...

How about we start first at the voting booth? You and Hen, in support of children, must vote for anti-abortion candidates who are also foreign policy pacifists, and support the social safety net.

[kalm]

I was too busy being a capitalist....increasing tax revenues to help fund Planned Parenthood so they could further reduce the number of abortions.

You have to pick your battles.

Like I thought.

I never said you weren’t smart.

[Chizzang]

One is an easy target sitting atop a high horse...



Remember:
God kills damn near 25,000 children every day - but somehow he's not an asshole

https://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html

My horse could not have legs and still be considered "high" compared to your moronic statements on this. You just keep reminding me how much of a kryptonite this topic is for you.

You keep saying "Krytonite"
and I'm not sure you know what it means..?



I'm not the one who is pretending to care about every person on earth
If only someone cared about the all the molested children in Catholicism half as much
as you care for the children of Africa

[Pwns]

Maybe we can establish consistency standards for various types of advocacy and activism?

1. No complaining about money in US politics until you are actively working to fix places in the world where actual vote rigging occurs.

2. No voicing concerns about the minimum wage in the US until you do something about the lack of labor laws in Malaysia and Bangladesh.

3. Feminism (especially as it relates to objecting to abortion restrictions) isn't allowed until you are working to end female genital mutilation, honor killings, and female disenfranchisement over the entire world (i.e. Islamophobic Western cultural imperialism).

Onerous...

How about we start first at the voting booth? You and Hen, in support of children, must vote for anti-abortion candidates who are also foreign policy pacifists, and support the social safety net.

Hey kalm, I'd be all right if every form of birth control was available in vending machines at every 7-11 and Quik Trip. It would be okay with me if we didn't sell another weapon to the Saudi swine to bomb Yemen. I think we're probably at a point now where another dollar in the hands of a baby momma does more for the economy than another dollar in the hands of millionaires who will put it in foreign banks and investments.

But even if that weren't true, so what? Do you not understand the difference in the concept of needless destruction of innocent life versus preserving it all costs? You might as well say "you're not pro-life unless you want the national speed limit to be 30 miles an hour". Like I have said, there are some compelling points to make about making abortion illegal, but this one is just pitiful.

[GannonFan]

I'm sure they were given accurate and not-biased information about Down's and what to expect.

Actually yes, because European abortion laws are based on sound science and data.

While over here fake "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" operated by ~insert random evangelical organization~ can set up shop right next to an actual women's health center, lure them in, pretend to be medical professionals, and spread actual false information about abortions. And it's totally legal...because God.

You do realize that from a "sound science" standpoint that a human being, a human life, begins at conception, right? There's really no other argument to say that it doesn't. I'll be the first to admit that it is certainly complicated tremendously that that human life, until birth, is fully dependent on another human being they are inside of (the mother), and that human life is fully dependent on other human beings for survival for at least the first 10-15 years of their life. But there's really no argument that goes against the scientific fact that it's a human being from the get go. When medical advances gets us to the artificial wombs for soon after conception, we're really going to have face up to this scientific fact and deal with what to do with all those unwanted pregnancies. Anything we do until then isn't based on science, it's based on politics and compromises with competing ethical choices.

[Silenoz]

I know a way you guys can compromise this out. You lefties admit you're killing kids, and you righties admit religion is a hoax. After that reset we approach this again where everyone wins

[kalm]

Onerous...

How about we start first at the voting booth? You and Hen, in support of children, must vote for anti-abortion candidates who are also foreign policy pacifists, and support the social safety net.

Hey kalm, I'd be all right if every form of birth control was available in vending machines at every 7-11 and Quik Trip. It would be okay with me if we didn't sell another weapon to the Saudi swine to bomb Yemen. I think we're probably at a point now where another dollar in the hands of a baby momma does more for the economy than another dollar in the hands of millionaires who will put it in foreign banks and investments.

But even if that weren't true, so what? Do you not understand the difference in the concept of needless destruction of innocent life versus preserving it all costs? You might as well say "you're not pro-life unless you want the national speed limit to be 30 miles an hour". Like I have said, there are some compelling points to make about making abortion illegal, but this one is just pitiful.

You're just downplaying your inconsistency. You'd be "alright with..." "okay with..." but abortion is MURDER!

Car wrecks are called accidents. You don't accidentally sell weapons to Saudi Arabia who accidentally drops them on weddings.

But I do appreciate your counter with speeding. It was a good one.

[kalm]

I know a way you guys can compromise this out. You lefties admit you're killing kids, and you righties admit religion is a hoax. After that reset we approach this again where everyone wins

But I've never killed a kid and I think religion is real.

[Pwns]

You're just downplaying your inconsistency. You'd be "alright with..." "okay with..." but abortion is MURDER!

Car wrecks are called accidents. You don't accidentally sell weapons to Saudi Arabia who accidentally drops them on weddings.

But I do appreciate your counter with speeding. It was a good one.

I'm not the one who decides who we sell weapons to.

There is no inconsistency here, kalm. You want to apply an absurd consistency standard that apparently doesn't exist to any other advocacy or interest group. I could be a hardcore proponent of big social welfare spending for children and you could still move the goalposts and say "you don't really support kids unless head start pre-K programs have state-of-the-art computers in them".

[Silenoz]

I know a way you guys can compromise this out. You lefties admit you're killing kids, and you righties admit religion is a hoax. After that reset we approach this again where everyone wins

But I've never killed a kid and I think religion is real.

It was the royal you're

[GannonFan]

Car wrecks are called accidents.

I never understand that. Most car wrecks are because at least one person screwed up. Why is that an accident then? Accidents imply no fault, when in reality there's almost always a fault, and a driver fault at that.