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CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Cohen says Trump knew about the Russia meeting in Trump Tower. Donny Jr. too...
Wait....

I’m having trouble keeping score

Sleazy Trump attorney says what?
So all you've got is ad-hominem? Good to know.

And the Special Counsel disagrees with you:
“Finally, your Honor, what we want to highlight for this Court is that one of the things that we and the Special Counsel's Office have most appreciated about Mr. Cohen's assistance is that he has provided valuable information, investigative information, to us while taking care and being careful to note what he knows and what he doesn't know. Rather than inflate the value of any information that he has brought forward to us in what he had to provide, Mr. Cohen has sought to tell us the truth, and that is of utmost value to us as we seek in our office to determine what in fact occurred. And so we want to highlight that for the Court and to underscore what we set out in our submission about the value, the nature, the reliability, and the credibility of Mr. Cohen's assistance.
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∞∞∞ wrote:Cohen says everyone in the campaign, including Trump, was lying because "we never expected to win."
:rofl:


What were you saying about Cohen last year?
I think it's even funnier what Conks are saying about him... since he was the Deputy Finance Chair of their party less that a year ago. :rofl:




And, he's a slimeball. Take what he says with a grain of salt... but, he brought a long quite a few documents. You'll have a more difficult time dismissing them. :coffee:
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Meadows bringing out the big guns here:

"President Trump isn't racist, here's a black person that knows him."

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"HOW MANY TIMES!? YES OR NO!?"

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God - the Republicans lack tact. We get it - you're going to damage the credibility of a Cohen...


Someone they were cool with a few years ago.


And Meadows..what a jackass. He's talked with Trump about 300 times...Cohen's known the guy for 10 years.
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CID1990 wrote:
:rofl:


What were you saying about Cohen last year?
I think it's even funnier what Conks are saying about him... since he was the Deputy Finance Chair of their party less that a year ago. :rofl:




And, he's a slimeball. Take what he says with a grain of salt... but, he brought a long quite a few documents. You'll have a more difficult time dismissing them. :coffee:
I’m surprised... given the boner you have for me...

That you haven’t read my other recent posts

Basically predicting the newfound honesty Cohen has in the eyes of Dems, while simultaneously becoming the most dishonest of cuckolds in the eyes of a large portion of the GOP

Treep being Exhibit A of the flipflopaganza
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CID1990 wrote:Treep being Exhibit A
Continue saying that without evidence...
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Cohen isn’t sleazy now?

You better look up ad hominem .... FYI- I am the fallacious logic SCOTUS as far as you are concerned. I made no ad hominem attack on you
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∞∞∞ wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Treep being Exhibit A
Continue saying that without evidence...
Was Cohen an honest Injun when he was working for Trump?
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CID1990 wrote:Cohen isn’t sleazy now?
I'll trust the Special Counsel. Professionals in their field unlike your armchair prosecution...
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CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Continue saying that without evidence...
Was Cohen an honest Injun when he was working for Trump?
No he wasn't, and why he's going to jail.

He's really got a lose from lying here, with all that evidence he's providing. :roll:

And again, see the Special Counsel's statement:
“Finally, your Honor, what we want to highlight for this Court is that one of the things that we and the Special Counsel's Office have most appreciated about Mr. Cohen's assistance is that he has provided valuable information, investigative information, to us while taking care and being careful to note what he knows and what he doesn't know. Rather than inflate the value of any information that he has brought forward to us in what he had to provide, Mr. Cohen has sought to tell us the truth, and that is of utmost value to us as we seek in our office to determine what in fact occurred. And so we want to highlight that for the Court and to underscore what we set out in our submission about the value, the nature, the reliability, and the credibility of Mr. Cohen's assistance.
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Ibanez wrote:God - the Republicans lack tact. We get it - you're going to damage the credibility of a Cohen...


Someone they were cool with a few years ago.


And Meadows..what a jackass. He's talked with Trump about 300 times...Cohen's known the guy for 10 years.
Bares repeating: he was Deputy Finance Chair of the RNC less than a year ago. :rofl: :coffee:
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I see a lot of word salad that translates to: “We trust Cohen now”

Spin it as you will
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CID1990 wrote:I see a lot of word salad that translates to: “We trust Cohen now”

Spin it as you will
Dems and Repubs have already made up their minds. Cohen could provide video of Trump calling Obama the Nword, on a Webex call with Putin while discussing how the Russians will benefit following Trumps election....and the GOP will still ignore it and say there's nothing there.

The only way Cohen's testimony proves credible, is the evidence he has and when/if it's ever corroborated. Even then, the Republicans won't accept it. They're all so far up Trumps ass. They've bought into the cult of personality. :twocents: :twocents:
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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:I see a lot of word salad that translates to: “We trust Cohen now”

Spin it as you will
Dems and Repubs have already made up their minds. Cohen could provide video of Trump calling Obama the Nword, on a Webex call with Putin while discussing how the Russians will benefit following Trumps election....and the GOP will still ignore it and say there's nothing there.

The only way Cohen's testimony proves credible, is the evidence he has and when/if it's ever corroborated. Even then, the Republicans won't accept it. They're all so far up Trumps ass. They've bought into the cult of personality. :twocents: :twocents:
That’s not the point I’m making

But you’re in good company.... Treep and F Lee Jelly don’t get it either
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Dems and Repubs have already made up their minds. Cohen could provide video of Trump calling Obama the Nword, on a Webex call with Putin while discussing how the Russians will benefit following Trumps election....and the GOP will still ignore it and say there's nothing there.

The only way Cohen's testimony proves credible, is the evidence he has and when/if it's ever corroborated. Even then, the Republicans won't accept it. They're all so far up Trumps ass. They've bought into the cult of personality. :twocents: :twocents:
That’s not the point I’m making

But you’re in good company.... Treep and F Lee Jelly don’t get it either
I'm aware of what you've been trying to say.




Pro tip- if you continue to make your statement and people still don't get it....perhaps the problem is you. :thumb:
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Too bad CID...never thought you'd fall on the sword for a wannabe autocrat.

And for a man that all my life growing up, was the butt of jokes.

Oh well.
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∞∞∞ wrote:Too bad CID...never thought you'd fall on the sword for a wannabe autocrat.

And for a man that all my life growing up, was the butt of jokes.

Oh well.
Um...Cid hasn't clearly stated his opinion but you have missed what he's trying to say.
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∞∞∞ wrote: And again, see the Special Counsel's statement:
“Finally, your Honor, what we want to highlight for this Court is that one of the things that we and the Special Counsel's Office have most appreciated about Mr. Cohen's assistance is that he has provided valuable information, investigative information, to us while taking care and being careful to note what he knows and what he doesn't know. Rather than inflate the value of any information that he has brought forward to us in what he had to provide, Mr. Cohen has sought to tell us the truth, and that is of utmost value to us as we seek in our office to determine what in fact occurred. And so we want to highlight that for the Court and to underscore what we set out in our submission about the value, the nature, the reliability, and the credibility of Mr. Cohen's assistance.
That's kinda cherrypicking. Federal prosecutors (I assume they are likewise believable as Special Counsel's?) said this about Cohen:
Indeed, his proffer sessions with the SCO aside, Cohen only met with the Office about the participation of others in the campaign finance crimes to which Cohen had already pleaded guilty. Cohen specifically declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct, if any, in his past.4 Cohen further declined to meet with the Office about other areas of investigative interest. As the Court is undoubtedly aware, in order to successfully cooperate with this Office, witnesses must undergo full debriefings that encompass their entire criminal history, as well as any and all information they possess about crimes committed by both themselves and others. This process permits the Office to fully assess the candor, culpability, and complications attendant to any potential cooperator, and results in cooperating witnesses who, having accepted full responsibility for any and all misconduct, are credible to law enforcement and, hopefully, to judges and juries. Cohen affirmatively chose not to pursue this process. Cohen’s efforts thus fell well short of cooperation, as that term is properly used in this District
Hey, I think Trump is a buffoon and has likely violated many laws in the course of his life. Cohen, though, needs to have a lot more evidence than he's showing to really make a difference in terms of where things go with Trump now. Today is for headlines and talking heads. We'll see what Mueller has when it's all laid on the table.
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GannonFan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: And again, see the Special Counsel's statement:
That's kinda cherrypicking. Federal prosecutors (I assume they are likewise believable as Special Counsel's?) said this about Cohen:
Indeed, his proffer sessions with the SCO aside, Cohen only met with the Office about the participation of others in the campaign finance crimes to which Cohen had already pleaded guilty. Cohen specifically declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct, if any, in his past.4 Cohen further declined to meet with the Office about other areas of investigative interest. As the Court is undoubtedly aware, in order to successfully cooperate with this Office, witnesses must undergo full debriefings that encompass their entire criminal history, as well as any and all information they possess about crimes committed by both themselves and others. This process permits the Office to fully assess the candor, culpability, and complications attendant to any potential cooperator, and results in cooperating witnesses who, having accepted full responsibility for any and all misconduct, are credible to law enforcement and, hopefully, to judges and juries. Cohen affirmatively chose not to pursue this process. Cohen’s efforts thus fell well short of cooperation, as that term is properly used in this District
Hey, I think Trump is a buffoon and has likely violated many laws in the course of his life. Cohen, though, needs to have a lot more evidence than he's showing to really make a difference in terms of where things go with Trump now. Today is for headlines and talking heads. We'll see what Mueller has when it's all laid on the table.
Exactly, That's all today is. It's a day for the Republicans to publicly disparage Cohen (and show loyalty to the party) before they go behind the doors and probably take a more civil tone towards him.

Today is theater. Nothing more.


Unless Cohen produces something that's a smoking gun. :coffee: :twocents:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Ibanez wrote:God - the Republicans lack tact. We get it - you're going to damage the credibility of a Cohen...


Someone they were cool with a few years ago.


And Meadows..what a jackass. He's talked with Trump about 300 times...Cohen's known the guy for 10 years.
Bares repeating: he was Deputy Finance Chair of the RNC less than a year ago. :rofl: :coffee:
Is someone having a "Spartacus" moment on the Conk side? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Tell me all about the "tact" on the Donk side, Mark. :coffee: :coffee:
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Where is the collusion?


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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Bares repeating: he was Deputy Finance Chair of the RNC less than a year ago. :rofl: :coffee:
Is someone having a "Spartacus" moment on the Conk side? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Tell me all about the "tact" on the Donk side, Mark. :coffee: :coffee:
Oh it's on display. Go watch it. It's a calm,measured approach to appeal to moderates/Dems. They want to look reasoned. They aren't all getting angry like Meadows, Comer or Jordan and trying to defend the President. They (Republicans) are acting like the Democrats did during Brett Brewkowski Kavanaghs hearings. :twocents:
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The Republicans are a joke - their tactic is to rehash Cohen's conviction.


You almost want something to happen just so all of those people have to eat crow.
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Whether you believe his contrition or not, Cohen is performing very well.
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Not a single Republican has yet to defend Trump. Is it b/c they can't or won't?
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