How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

[SDHornet]

If there is no funding for the wall/fence/barrier/whatever, why would McConnell take it up? Heard someone on the radio say that basically the wall funding Trump is requesting in the Fed budget is equivalent to a household income of $44k looking at a $57 fee/bill.

Just checked the Yahoo headlines on their main page and not one article at the top of the queue on the shutdown. So time to ask this question: when the average person stops giving a fuck about the shutdown (because it largely doesn't impact them), how long before they start asking why we even need these people on the dole?

[CID1990]

Boaters who do out without checking the weather and the seaworthiness of their craft should probably drown

they probably drive slow in the left lane too


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**** happens on the bays (and ocean) around here frequently in the summer. Weekend warriors get caught in pop up t-storms. But you already knew that.

In Charleston, when some numbskull would get in trouble and then holler for the Coasties, we always assumed they were from up around the Chesapeake

Weekenders should know to put in a reef or two when they see that thunderstorm coming

I stand by my assumption that they are left lane campers

probably talk on their cellphones in elevators too ... and use words like irregardless


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[Ibanez]

Law abiding citizens want it. It's why they elected Trump.

I don't care either way I'm not one of those people, I will do what I want when I want and there is only one thing you can do to stop that

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Incorrect. Majority of law abiding Americans don't They understand the wall will be worthless, a boondoggle that will waste hundreds of billons

FIFY


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[Ibanez]

The Coast Guard not being a part of DoD has always been a head scratcher, but I know the history

At this juncture, some humor (settle down, Mark):

Why do Coasties have to be 6’4” to do sea duty?





























So when their ship sinks they can wade to shore

You seem triggered, bro.



The other attempt at humor failed, that’s all.




Btw, that’s funny.


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[Ibanez]

Ah... yes
Trade my life for money roulette
I give you a week of my life - you give me money

(Or do you?)
Spin the wheel and find out

There are a lot of us at State who are excepted but unpaid. There's a big conference that SecState is organizing for the newly confirmed ambassadors in DC. Many officers are having to organize it and they aren't being paid-

Executive appointees are excepted and always paid, so the ambassadors are paid

I am excepted, and paid - in theory... but about half of the folks in Charleston at CGFS are furloughed... so if the guy who clicks the mouse to pay me isn't there....


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No joke, That’s my uncle. He’s been at State for over 20 yrs. He runs that local dept. All embassy and consulate funding is handled in Charleston.


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[mainejeff]

I guess that we will find out just how much RED States depend on the Federal government over the next few months (or years).

[CID1990]

The Coast Guard not being a part of DoD has always been a head scratcher, but I know the history

At this juncture, some humor (settle down, Mark):

Why do Coasties have to be 6’4” to do sea duty?





























So when their ship sinks they can wade to shore

You seem triggered, bro.



The other attempt at humor failed, that’s all.




Btw, that’s funny.


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You weren’t my audience, Cletus

[Ibanez]

You seem triggered, bro.



The other attempt at humor failed, that’s all.




Btw, that’s funny.


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You weren’t my audience, Cletus

I guess the "Settle down, Mark" comment was for someone else?

[93henfan]

As so many proud Republicans here have proclaimed with a smirk on their face, "non-essential!"

Yeah, non-essential:

The Trump administration on Tuesday said it has called back tens of thousands of federal workers to fulfill key government tasks, including disbursing tax refunds, overseeing flight safety and inspecting the nation’s food and drug supply, as it seeks to blunt the impact of the longest government shutdown in U.S. history.

The nearly 50,000 furloughed federal employees are being brought back to work without pay — part of a group of about 800,000 federal workers who are not receiving paychecks...

https://tinyurl.com/ycdswp8b

All without pay. This is a disgrace for the Republican party.

[93henfan]

WASHINGTON — The partial government shutdown is inflicting far greater damage on the United States economy than previously estimated, the White House acknowledged on Tuesday, as President Trump’s economists doubled projections of how much economic growth is being lost each week the standoff with Democrats continues.

The revised estimates from the Council of Economic Advisers show that the shutdown, now in its fourth week, is beginning to have real economic consequences. The analysis, and other projections from outside the White House, suggests that the shutdown has already weighed significantly on growth and could ultimately push the United States economy into a contraction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/p ... onomy.html

More disgrace.

[93henfan]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday asked President Donald Trump to reschedule his State of the Union address — or deliver it in writing — as long as the government remains shut down.

"Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ss-1103047

[93henfan]

JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon warned on Tuesday that a prolonged government shutdown could completely stop economic growth in the US.

“Someone estimated that if it goes on for the whole quarter, it can reduce growth to zero,” Dimon, who’s also the head of lobbying group The Business Roundtable, said on a phone call with reporters. “It’s more of a political issue than anything else.”

https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/jpmorgan- ... d-trading/

[GannonFan]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday asked President Donald Trump to reschedule his State of the Union address — or deliver it in writing — as long as the government remains shut down.

"Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ss-1103047

There's no way Trump reschedules it. He wants the spectacle of having everyone in the room while him and Pelosi agree to never agree with each other (or find a compromise). He has no shame so he'll gladly step to the microphone. I can't see how she'll be okay with that, though. I wonder if they can lock him out of the Capitol Building so that he doesn't get to give his speech. This almost means for certain that the shutdown is going to last at least as long as Jan 29th, if not further. Trump is sucking the air out of the room, as he's apt to do (while playing games with the livelihoods of Federal workers), and he loves the attention. It's like a rerun of the campaign all over again.

[Skjellyfetti]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

[93henfan]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

And she still gave him an avenue to submit it.

This is so awesome. Good for Pelosi (yes, the first time I've ever said that in my life)!

[GannonFan]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

No rule saying that he can't give it in the Senate chamber.

[93henfan]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

No rule saying that he can't give it in the Senate chamber.

The optics on that would be terrific for him.

[kalm]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ss-1103047

There's no way Trump reschedules it. He wants the spectacle of having everyone in the room while him and Pelosi agree to never agree with each other (or find a compromise). He has no shame so he'll gladly step to the microphone. I can't see how she'll be okay with that, though. I wonder if they can lock him out of the Capitol Building so that he doesn't get to give his speech. This almost means for certain that the shutdown is going to last at least as long as Jan 29th, if not further. Trump is sucking the air out of the room, as he's apt to do (while playing games with the livelihoods of Federal workers), and he loves the attention. It's like a rerun of the campaign all over again.

Yeah I vlelieve it was the book Extraction of the Wealth of Nations where Adam Smith suggested multinational companies should circumvent environmental and labor laws strip countries of their natural resources for the sake of absolute advantage and consolidated profit.

[GannonFan]

No rule saying that he can't give it in the Senate chamber.

The optics on that would be terrific for him.

He has no shame. Heck, he might even resurrect the set from the Apprentice and deliver it from there. And by not inviting him then the Dems might not be able to credibly have a State of the Union response as is typical.

[GannonFan]

There's no way Trump reschedules it. He wants the spectacle of having everyone in the room while him and Pelosi agree to never agree with each other (or find a compromise). He has no shame so he'll gladly step to the microphone. I can't see how she'll be okay with that, though. I wonder if they can lock him out of the Capitol Building so that he doesn't get to give his speech. This almost means for certain that the shutdown is going to last at least as long as Jan 29th, if not further. Trump is sucking the air out of the room, as he's apt to do (while playing games with the livelihoods of Federal workers), and he loves the attention. It's like a rerun of the campaign all over again.

Yeah I vlelieve it was the book Extraction of the Wealth of Nations where Adam Smith suggested multinational companies should circumvent environmental and labor laws strip countries of their natural resources for the sake of absolute advantage and consolidated profit.

Okay tariff-guy.

[HI54UNI]

Saw an interesting theory being bantered about on the interwebs -

Trump stands firm and Dems cave prior to the SOTU address on the 29th. Dems cannot risk Trump going on national TV in front of Congress and calling them out. Imagine the shitshow of Trump calling out Nancy with her sitting right behind him. Or Trump turning around, looking Nancy in the eye and offering some type of reasonable deal, like DACA for the wall, that they are currently refusing and challenging her to accept with the whole world watching.

Twitter predicted something correctly!

[JohnStOnge]

Current RCP chart showing Trump job approval over time with point at which partial shutdown occurred (Dec 22, 2018) indicated:

[Ibanez]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

Also, all Trump has to do is send a post it to Congress saying, " It's all good." and he's fulfilled his constitutional duty.

[Ibanez]

As so many proud Republicans here have proclaimed with a smirk on their face, "non-essential!"

Yeah, non-essential:

The Trump administration on Tuesday said it has called back tens of thousands of federal workers to fulfill key government tasks, including disbursing tax refunds, overseeing flight safety and inspecting the nation’s food and drug supply, as it seeks to blunt the impact of the longest government shutdown in U.S. history.

The nearly 50,000 furloughed federal employees are being brought back to work without pay — part of a group of about 800,000 federal workers who are not receiving paychecks...

https://tinyurl.com/ycdswp8b

All without pay. This is a disgrace for the Republican party.

I think "non-essential" isn't the correct word. They are essential, just not mission critical.


Fuck that, I'm not sure i'd go in for no pay.

[Grizalltheway]

The State of the Union is by invitation of the Speaker of the House. He doesn't really have a choice.

Also, all Trump has to do is send a post it to Congress saying, " It's all good." and he's fulfilled his constitutional duty.

I think he should have Alphie ghostwrite it.

"Get on the Trump train or get run the fuck over. MAGA bitches".