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CID1990 wrote:

Where has anyone said it does?!

Damn ... talk about Christ having titties
Nobody on the right can explain how we're all supposed to take the lead from the bottom and the back
When the guy in the lead is inciting violence

Until the right collectively denounces his behavior... which will never happen
because it's hard to do with his dick in their mouth

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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Nobody on the right can explain how we're all supposed to take the lead from the bottom and the back
When the guy in the lead is inciting violence

Until the right collectively denounces his behavior... which will never happen
because it's hard to do with his dick in their mouth

:coffee:

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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Nobody on the right can explain how we're all supposed to take the lead from the bottom and the back
When the guy in the lead is inciting violence

Until the right collectively denounces his behavior... which will never happen
because it's hard to do with his dick in their mouth

:coffee:

The ball is in the RIGHTs court
Leaderships starts from the top
Trump always says stupid shit, but saying that I would like to punch a guy in the face is not the same as telling someone else to punch somebody in the face.

On the other hand, you have Mad Max, The Hildabeast and Eric Holder actually telling people to go physically confront and in Holder's case physically assault people.

You're taking your cues from Maxine Waters...just please stop.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes. ... utType=amp

Trump is WAY more civil. At least he doesn’t encourage confrontation of opposition leaders like those dastardly Dems do.
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: Trump always says stupid shit, but saying that I would like to punch a guy in the face is not the same as telling someone else to punch somebody in the face.

On the other hand, you have Mad Max, The Hildabeast and Eric Holder actually telling people to go physically confront and in Holder's case physically assault people.

You're taking your cues from Maxine Waters...just please stop.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes. ... utType=amp

Trump is WAY more civil. At least he doesn’t encourage confrontation of opposition leaders like those dastardly Dems do.
He is? You could have fooled me.

Protecting yourself from violent protesters with force....from March of 2016. How horrible. :dunce:
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes. ... utType=amp

Trump is WAY more civil. At least he doesn’t encourage confrontation of opposition leaders like those dastardly Dems do.
He is? You could have fooled me.

Protecting yourself from violent protesters with force....from March of 2016. How horrible. :dunce:
He incites violence, the Dems incite confrontation. Both are wrong in that there are more civil ways to protest/react. No one is lily white here. This is really not that hard to understand...or so it would seem.

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes. ... utType=amp

Trump is WAY more civil. At least he doesn’t encourage confrontation of opposition leaders like those dastardly Dems do.
He is? You could have fooled me.

Protecting yourself from violent protesters with force....from March of 2016. How horrible. :dunce:
Get ready Baldy

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CID1990 wrote:
Baldy wrote: He is? You could have fooled me.

Protecting yourself from violent protesters with force....from March of 2016. How horrible. :dunce:
Get ready Baldy

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Honest question. Were the Dems calling for direct confrontation prior to Trump?
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CID1990 wrote:
Get ready Baldy

"But Trump" is going to be written on a banner for the next 50 years


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Honest question. Were the Dems calling for direct confrontation prior to Trump?
Discounting 1968?



No, I don't think so.

So, Trump is an excuse?

I thought when they go low you go high? Or is that only when the libs think they're going to win the election?


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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Honest question. Were the Dems calling for direct confrontation prior to Trump?
Discounting 1968?



No, I don't think so.

So, Trump is an excuse?

I thought when they go low you go high? Or is that only when the libs think they're going to win the election?


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:lol:

That was again (I think) a Michelle Obama quote and yes I don't think the Dems are listening to her.

Let's not pretend this isn't an adversarial/tribal/binary/whatever you want to call it system where both sides race to the gutter. You and I don't care for it and I don't think it's helping the country in the long run. It would be nice for either side to take the high road but I'm not sure that's even possible let a lone a successful strategy at this point without a viable 3rd or 4th option.

And yes, Trump is the excuse and Americans love self righteous retribution (both sides).
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: He is? You could have fooled me.

Protecting yourself from violent protesters with force....from March of 2016. How horrible. :dunce:
He incites violence, the Dems incite confrontation. Both are wrong in that there are more civil ways to protest/react. No one is lily white here. This is really not that hard to understand...or so it would seem.

:?
So we can agree that the behavior of both sides is "deplorable."

Someone needs to let Hildamort know that she's joined the ranks of the deplorables.
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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Nobody on the right can explain how we're all supposed to take the lead from the bottom and the back
When the guy in the lead is inciting violence

Until the right collectively denounces his behavior... which will never happen
because it's hard to do with his dick in their mouth

:coffee:

The ball is in the RIGHTs court
Leaderships starts from the top
Trump always says stupid shit, but saying that I would like to punch a guy in the face is not the same as telling someone else to punch somebody in the face.

On the other hand, you have Mad Max, The Hildabeast and Eric Holder actually telling people to go physically confront and in Holder's case physically assault people.

You're taking your cues from Maxine Waters...just please stop.
See Baldy - you just excused Trumps behavior. NONE of it is acceptable. Who cares if Trump or someone voter said to punch that guy. It was tolerated. It was cheered. It wasn't denounced as being unacceptable. It wasn't denounced as being below someone that is supposed to be a leader. :twocents:
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Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
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UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
He incites violence, the Dems incite confrontation. Both are wrong in that there are more civil ways to protest/react. No one is lily white here. This is really not that hard to understand...or so it would seem.

:?
So we can agree that the behavior of both sides is "deplorable."

Someone needs to let Hildamort know that she's joined the ranks of the deplorables.
She won't believe it.

Hell, she doesn't think Bill banging interns was an abuse of power. :roll:

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Ibanez wrote:
UNI88 wrote:So we can agree that the behavior of both sides is "deplorable."

Someone needs to let Hildamort know that she's joined the ranks of the deplorables.
She won't believe it.

Hell, she doesn't think Bill banging interns was an abuse of power. :roll:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/politics ... index.html
She knows. She, like Trump, just thinks we're all rubes who are gullible enough to believe her BS. Unfortunately for her Trump is a better showperson and did a better job of selling his BS.
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UNI88 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: She won't believe it.

Hell, she doesn't think Bill banging interns was an abuse of power. :roll:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/politics ... index.html
She knows. She, like Trump, just thinks we're all rubes who are gullible enough to believe her BS. Unfortunately for her Trump is a better showperson and did a better job of selling his BS.
I honestly thinks she believes she's above it all and everything is truly "them against us."
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Ibanez wrote:I honestly thinks she believes she's above it all and everything is truly "them against us."
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Ibanez wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
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Ibanez wrote:
UNI88 wrote:She knows. She, like Trump, just thinks we're all rubes who are gullible enough to believe her BS. Unfortunately for her Trump is a better showperson and did a better job of selling his BS.
I honestly thinks she believes she's above it all and everything is truly "them against us."
I had to go back and read the full quote as I remember not being offended by it at the time and didn't vote for Hillary for entirely different reasons.
"In too many places still, LGBT Americans are singled out for harassment and violence. You can get married on Saturday, post your pictures on Sunday and get fired on Monday. That's why we've got to continue the forward march of progress."

"And we cannot do it alone. I cannot do it alone. I'm not like Donald Trump, who says, 'I alone can fix it.' I've never quite figured out what it is he alone can fix. But that's not what you'll hear from me. I think we have to do this together. So, together we're gonna pass the Equality Act to guarantee full equality. We're going to put comprehensive quality affordable healthcare within reach for more people, including for mental health and addiction. We're going to take on youth homelessness, and as my wonderful, extraordinary, great daughter said, we are going to end the cruel and dangerous practice of conversion therapy. We're going to keep working toward an AIDS-free generation, a goal that I set as secretary of state, and with your help we're going to pass comprehensive gun laws. ..."

"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case -- and don't get complacent, don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he's done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
She was literally singling out about 20% of the population who would never vote for her anyway. Since everything team Clinton does is calculated I can see how they might have thought at the time that this sentiment wouldn't hurt. You could make a case that it should have helped, defining the opponent and making independents not want to side with THAT guy and those people.

In any event, it should have been far less offensive to far fewer people than Obama's 'clinging to their guns and bibles' quote. That clearly identified two groups with significant populations in the US but didn't cost Obama the election.

How many people thought 'Hey...I'm a deplorable! I ain't voting or her now!' Hillary was unelectable because she's unlikeable on so many other levels. Calling out people as deplorable is daily passtime on here yet somehow you are all deeply offended. :lol:
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At least we're finally having the correct conversation now...

:lol:

Even if it is a But Hilary / But Obama / But Trump
It's still a country mile closer to where the conversation should be centered
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kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I honestly thinks she believes she's above it all and everything is truly "them against us."
I had to go back and read the full quote as I remember not being offended by it at the time and didn't vote for Hillary for entirely different reasons.
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"And we cannot do it alone. I cannot do it alone. I'm not like Donald Trump, who says, 'I alone can fix it.' I've never quite figured out what it is he alone can fix. But that's not what you'll hear from me. I think we have to do this together. So, together we're gonna pass the Equality Act to guarantee full equality. We're going to put comprehensive quality affordable healthcare within reach for more people, including for mental health and addiction. We're going to take on youth homelessness, and as my wonderful, extraordinary, great daughter said, we are going to end the cruel and dangerous practice of conversion therapy. We're going to keep working toward an AIDS-free generation, a goal that I set as secretary of state, and with your help we're going to pass comprehensive gun laws. ..."

"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case -- and don't get complacent, don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he's done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
She was literally singling out about 20% of the population who would never vote for her anyway. Since everything team Clinton does is calculated I can see how they might have thought at the time that this sentiment wouldn't hurt. You could make a case that it should have helped, defining the opponent and making independents not want to side with THAT guy and those people.

In any event, it should have been far less offensive to far fewer people than Obama's 'clinging to their guns and bibles' quote. That clearly identified two groups with significant populations in the US but didn't cost Obama the election.

How many people thought 'Hey...I'm a deplorable! I ain't voting or her now!' Hillary was unelectable because she's unlikeable on so many other levels. Calling out people as deplorable is daily passtime on here yet somehow you are all deeply offended. :lol:
As i'm neither of those things, I wasn't offended.

But I wasn't going to vote for her regardless of the statement.

Did many people decide to vote for Obama after the "binders full of women" quote? :coffee:
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I had to go back and read the full quote as I remember not being offended by it at the time and didn't vote for Hillary for entirely different reasons.



She was literally singling out about 20% of the population who would never vote for her anyway. Since everything team Clinton does is calculated I can see how they might have thought at the time that this sentiment wouldn't hurt. You could make a case that it should have helped, defining the opponent and making independents not want to side with THAT guy and those people.

In any event, it should have been far less offensive to far fewer people than Obama's 'clinging to their guns and bibles' quote. That clearly identified two groups with significant populations in the US but didn't cost Obama the election.

How many people thought 'Hey...I'm a deplorable! I ain't voting or her now!' Hillary was unelectable because she's unlikeable on so many other levels. Calling out people as deplorable is daily passtime on here yet somehow you are all deeply offended. :lol:
As i'm neither of those things, I wasn't offended.

But I wasn't going to vote for her regardless of the statement.

Did many people decide to vote for Obama after the "binders full of women" quote? :coffee:
No. That was overblown and stupid as well. :coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:At least we're finally having the correct conversation now...

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Even if it is a But Hilary / But Obama / But Trump
It's still a country mile closer to where the conversation should be centered
It's not really but Hillary or anyone else for me. It's Trump and Hillary and Obama and whoever.

If the politicians want to know who the real deplorables are all they have to do is look in a mirror.
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