Trump announces Brett Kavanaugh as his 2nd SCOTUS nominee.

[mainejeff]

See ya next week suckers!

[JohnStOnge]

Flake is a douche bag, first McCain then him. I think Kavanaugh is in real danger now as this so called investigation is going to last a very long time,

I think Flake's move is likely to help the Republicans politically by virtue of slowing the hemorrhaging with respect to support (or lack thereof) among women. Refusing to tell the FBI to look into the situation is not a good look. A woman made an allegation. She took and passed a polygraph test.* She said she wants an FBI investigation. Republicans acting like they don't WANT an FBI investigation is likely to make people who aren't Republican partisans think they're acting like they have something to hide. Especially women.

Now they're going to have a one week FBI investigation. It's not going to last for a long time. And my bet would be that it's not going to come up with sufficient evidence to derail Kavanaugh just because it was so long ago. Even if it happened Kavanaugh can continue to deny and his friend can continue to say he doesn't remember. And there are no other potential witnesses.

If they'd have rammed this through without further investigation a lot of women who aren't hard core Republican partisans would have been really, really pissed. And the mid term elections are getting close. You'd be seeing stuff like this on campaign ads:

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*As noted before, I do not consider polygraph tests to be reliable. I also think there's a good chance that a Ph.D. psychologist would also know they are not reliable. However, taking one is a big risk if you don't know how it's going to turn out. I guess she could've thought that she could take it and if it failed she could just drop it. Nevertheless, on balance, I think the fact that she wanted to take a polygraph test AND wanted a FBI investigation contributes to her credibility.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, Republicans/Conservatives who say bad things about Flake are misguided. The douche is the guy Republicans rallied behind to make President. Flake is a principled conservative. That's why he's retiring. He realizes that, as things are now, someone with principle cannot win a Republican primary. He had a choice. He could have sacrificed principle in order to pander to the insanity that has infected the Republican Party or he could opt out. He opted out; which was the noble thing to do.

[css75]

BTW, Republicans/Conservatives who say bad things about Flake are misguided. The douche is the guy Republicans rallied behind to make President. Flake is a principled conservative. That's why he's retiring. He realizes that, as things are now, someone with principle cannot win a Republican primary. He had a choice. He could have sacrificed principle in order to pander to the insanity that has infected the Republican Party or he could opt out. He opted out; which was the noble thing to do.

He is retiring because the good people of Arizona can’t stand him and he was guaranteed to lose. He sold out The GOP for a gig on CNN or MSNBC.


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[Bisonfanatical]

Wanna make a bet?

I guarandamntee you the Dems are already making up their stories about her.

By bet on their angle with her will be racism. They're probably already lining up black women who attended high school and college with her.

The libtards already have a website ready to go for the next one. Flake is a douche bag, first McCain then him. I think Kavanaugh is in real danger now as this so called investigation is going to last a very long time, too bad he was a very good judge and did not deserve this vicious treatment. Hopefully most Americans see what sham this is and gets the clowns out.


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These AZ republican senators sure have better ties to the left than to the right.

I hope they stick with the one week dead line ... have the vote and let the chips fall where they may for these left wing senators in right wing state races

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[CID1990]

Ford deserves a hearing!!

(Ford gets a hearing)

This hearing is a sham!!

The FBI needs to investigate!!

(FBI investigates)

The FBI investigation is immaterial/not broad enough/too quick/didn't check all the claims!!

(Stand by)

Watch a metric ton of new "accusers" start popping up now


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[css75]

Ford deserves a hearing!!

(Ford gets a hearing)

This hearing is a sham!!

The FBI needs to investigate!!

(FBI investigates)

The FBI investigation is immaterial/not broad enough/too quick/didn't check all the claims!!

(Stand by)

Watch a metric ton of new "accusers" start popping up now

You got it, and the Dims will want to question everyone.


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[Ivytalk]

BTW, Republicans/Conservatives who say bad things about Flake are misguided. The douche is the guy Republicans rallied behind to make President. Flake is a principled conservative. That's why he's retiring. He realizes that, as things are now, someone with principle cannot win a Republican primary. He had a choice. He could have sacrificed principle in order to pander to the insanity that has infected the Republican Party or he could chicken out. He chickened out; which was the usual political thing to do.

FIFY

Brave, brave Sir Robin...

[LeadBolt]

about the ton of new accusations, the ole girl network will kick in big time.


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[Col Hogan]

Expect one or more of the following claims to surface or become prominent MSM/Democrat talking points soon:

The investigation is worthless with an artificial time limit

The FBI is not trustworthy because the FBI director was only two years behind Kavanaugh at Yale and they both were in the same conservative organizations

The Senate cannot vote once the investigation is complete because early voting has started somewhere and it will be wrong to vote while the people are deciding

And as already mentioned, allegations will come out of the woodwork which will have the Democrats demanding more investigations

[93henfan]

Expect one or more of the following claims to surface or become prominent MSM/Democrat talking points soon:

The investigation is worthless with an artificial time limit

The FBI is not trustworthy because the FBI director was only two years behind Kavanaugh at Yale and they both were in the same conservative organizations

The Senate cannot vote once the investigation is complete because early voting has started somewhere and it will be wrong to vote while the people are deciding

And as already mentioned, allegations will come out of the woodwork which will have the Democrats demanding more investigations

All of that, plus, watching CNN last night, they're all fired up about finding one person to say BK passed out just once at a party so they can say he lied under oath.

Let's face it: This Democratic Party has adopted the "Resist" mentality. You never win with people like that. Nothing will make them happy. They don't deal in facts or rationality, and if you're a white male, they want to punish you. For what, I'm not sure. All I know is they're hateful, miserable, nasty people.

[SeattleGriz]

As it comes from the Gateway Pundit, I am always a little skeptical, but if true, certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Flake screamer/assault victim is co-exec. dir. of the Soros-funded left-wing group Center for Democracy & Center for Democracy Action Fund

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 ... e-victims/

[Ibanez]

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[93henfan]

(FBI investigates)

The FBI investigation is immaterial/not broad enough/too quick/didn't check all the claims!!

(Stand by)

Standing by!

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, Republicans/Conservatives who say bad things about Flake are misguided. The douche is the guy Republicans rallied behind to make President. Flake is a principled conservative. That's why he's retiring. He realizes that, as things are now, someone with principle cannot win a Republican primary. He had a choice. He could have sacrificed principle in order to pander to the insanity that has infected the Republican Party or he could opt out. He opted out; which was the noble thing to do.

He is retiring because the good people of Arizona can’t stand him and he was guaranteed to lose. He sold out The GOP for a gig on CNN or MSNBC.

No, he could have done like so many others have done and discarded his principles by becoming a Trump sycophant and gotten re-elected. As he has stated, he knew he could not remain true to principle and make it through a Republican primary. He was not willing to just say whatever he had to say to stay in office.

[JohnStOnge]

(FBI investigates)

The FBI investigation is immaterial/not broad enough/too quick/didn't check all the claims!!

(Stand by)

Standing by!

Yes it appears that reporting suggests that Trump is lying again and that the FBI is actually restricted to a list of four witnesses. One example of the reporting is at https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/us/p ... quiry.html.

If it turns out that the reporting is accurate and that the FBI is restricted to interview only four persons as described in that article it'll be interesting to see what Flake does. If it does happen as reported the investigation will be a sham. It'll be the Republicans just doing something so they said they had an investigation. That'll be obvious.

Hopefully we can all agree that if there is going to be an FBI assessment the FBI should not be handed a list of four persons and told, "You will interview these four people and no on else." Not if you want to call it a credible assessment.

[JohnStOnge]

Ok. I from what I've seen most of us agree that Reuters is a credible source with minimal if any bias. Here is its take on what is going on:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1MA0M5

Here's what I see as the statement on the synoptic situation:

A White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the White House had defined the parameters of the probe for the FBI, and that the investigation would start off with interviews with only four people.

Now, if the FBI is allowed to expand the interview subjects list as it deems appropriate even though it must "start off with only four people" it could be credible. But if they can't there are going to be legitimate questions as to whether or not this was a real effort or just a show to say the FBI did something.

[93henfan]

Yep, you were right CID.

[JohnStOnge]

Yep, you were right CID.

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

[93henfan]

Yep, you were right CID.

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

You did see that the agreement was to have this wrapped up by next Friday, no?

The Republicans didn't have to once again make a concession to the Democrats. They've been more than fair, making multiple concessions when they could have just rammed this through without listening to the woman with the story or having a seventh FBI investigation of Kavanaugh. We all know that nothing will be proven here, so let's get on with the confirmation. The country is really tired of the Democrats' stall tactics and divisiveness.

[Col Hogan]

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

You did see that the agreement was to have this wrapped up by next Friday, no?

The Republicans didn't have to once again make a concession to the Democrats. They've been more than fair, making multiple concessions when they could have just rammed this through without listening to the woman with the story or having a seventh FBI investigation of Kavanaugh. We all know that nothing will be proven here, so let's get on with the confirmation. The country is really tired of the Democrats' stall tactics and divisiveness.

Forget it...I can’t read tonight

[Ivytalk]

Yep, you were right CID.

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

JSO, as expected, replicates the DNC talking points.

Some “conservative.” Senator Caramel Harris’s lackey.

[93henfan]

Caramel

[CID1990]

Yep, you were right CID.

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

JSO, I get that you are basically in Trump Knee Jerk mode, but if you think this investigation has anything at all to do with seeking truth then you are gotdamn fool

This is about moving the confirmation down the road to the midterms - because the Democrats think that a confirmation fight ongoing during the election will help their turnout (possible), and even deliver them the Senate (much less likely but also possible).

If the Democrats were so interested in truth and justice they wouldn't have sat on this thing for nearly 3 weeks, and they also wouldn't have held from Dr. Ford that she had the option of giving her testimony from her home.

Dr. Ford said 3, maybe 4 people would know about the assault she is alleging. The FBI doesn't have time machines and they don't have a crystal ball, so the FBI is naturally going to have to start with those 4 (2 of whom are Ford and Kavanaugh themselves). IF any of those people identify additional witnesses, then the FBI will get clearance to talk to those people. There is no way they CAN'T, and if you think otherwise then you are not thinking logically.

[JohnStOnge]

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

JSO, I get that you are basically in Trump Knee Jerk mode, but if you think this investigation has anything at all to do with seeking truth then you are gotdamn fool

This is about moving the confirmation down the road to the midterms - because the Democrats think that a confirmation fight ongoing during the election will help their turnout (possible), and even deliver them the Senate (much less likely but also possible).

If the Democrats were so interested in truth and justice they wouldn't have sat on this thing for nearly 3 weeks, and they also wouldn't have held from Dr. Ford that she had the option of giving her testimony from her home.

Dr. Ford said 3, maybe 4 people would know about the assault she is alleging. The FBI doesn't have time machines and they don't have a crystal ball, so the FBI is naturally going to have to start with those 4 (2 of whom are Ford and Kavanaugh themselves). IF any of those people identify additional witnesses, then the FBI will get clearance to talk to those people. There is no way they CAN'T, and if you think otherwise then you are not thinking logically.

I know the Democrats' motivations are political. However, if the objective is to find the truth the charge to the FBI should be "find the truth." It should not, in my opinion, start with specification of the witnesses the FBI is to interview.

One of the four people the FBI has been told to interview is Deborah Ramirez. That's the woman who says Kavanaugh exposed himself to her while both were at Yale. How is the FBI going to assess that without expanding its list of people interviewed beyond her?

If they are indeed allowed to expand as necessary that would be better. But, to me, they should not be given a list of people they are to interview to start with. In my opinion the FBI should be given an objective then IT should select the list of people to be interviewed; initial or otherwise.