Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Chizzang]

So does Manafort now think Trump won’t pardon him?

Or that Trump will be impeached and won’t be able to?

What’s changed?

Me thinks it's money. Afraid to lose it all.

What has the world come to
where politicians are in danger of losing the money they stole by defrauding the system

Dark times my friend

[kalm]

Me thinks it's money. Afraid to lose it all.

What has the world come to
where politicians are in danger of losing the money they stole while working for Russian mobsters by defrauding the system before they became a presidential campaign manager.

Dark times my friend
who could have ever known?

[Skjellyfetti]

So does Manafort now think Trump won’t pardon him?

Or that Trump will be impeached and won’t be able to?

What’s changed?

Hard to know exactly.

I think these articles from the archives might provide some hints, though.

From October 2017 on Dreeben:
Mueller Tasks an Adviser With Getting Ahead of Pre-Emptive Pardons
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ve-pardons

Profile on Andrew Weissman... history of high profile investigations with a specialty of flipping
Andrew Weissman, Mueller's Legal Pit Bull
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/p ... eller.html

[SDHornet]

So Trump - Russian collusion or are we still waiting on that one?

Why you so hung up on that? Its coming, don't worry. And if it doesn't...well so what? Think Whitewater, think payback......its schadenfreude time, bro crack a cold one and enjoy the show.

Not according to Page, Strzok, and Comey as of May...but yeah, I'm sure Trump-Russia collusion evidence will show up any day now.

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881 ... re-mueller

[SDHornet]

So does Manafort now think Trump won’t pardon him?

Or that Trump will be impeached and won’t be able to?

What’s changed?

Hard to know exactly.

I think these articles from the archives might provide some hints, though.

From October 2017 on Dreeben:
Mueller Tasks an Adviser With Getting Ahead of Pre-Emptive Pardons
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ve-pardons

Profile on Andrew Weissman... history of high profile investigations with a specialty of flipping
Andrew Weissman, Mueller's Legal Pit Bull
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/p ... eller.html

Plenty of other stuff on Weissman's past that you are leaving out...why is that?

[Skjellyfetti]

Do have anything else from his past that might help explain why Manafort flipped?

[houndawg]

Hard to know exactly.

I think these articles from the archives might provide some hints, though.

From October 2017 on Dreeben:
Mueller Tasks an Adviser With Getting Ahead of Pre-Emptive Pardons
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ve-pardons

Profile on Andrew Weissman... history of high profile investigations with a specialty of flipping
Andrew Weissman, Mueller's Legal Pit Bull
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/p ... eller.html

Plenty of other stuff on Weissman's past that you are leaving out...why is that?

Patience, grasshopper.....sit back and enjoy a beer for Mueller Time, watch the master at work...notice how he slowly constricts the options of the traitor?.....Trump is looking around with a concerned expression on his face wondering when Putin is going to ride in on his horse and carry the Donald off, saving him from the fate that awaits the crowd of felons he surrounded himself with.....and we haven't even got to the October Surprise yet! Relax and enjoy the greatest value your entertainment dollar has ever provided. It just keeps getting better..wait until the accountant cuts a deal...it will be positively fapworthy...

[CID1990]

Do have anything else from his past that might help explain why Manafort flipped?

You mean besides dying in prison?

I'd be offering Mueller the gotdam Lindbergh baby

of course, I would never find myself in Manafort's position, so theres that


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[SeattleGriz]

Do have anything else from his past that might help explain why Manafort flipped?

You mean besides dying in prison?

I'd be offering Mueller the gotdam Lindbergh baby

of course, I would never find myself in Manafort's position, so theres that


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I thought I read where he stated he wanted his family to have a good life and knew they would duck the bucks out of him. So he simply got it over without all the expense.

[Skjellyfetti]

I thought I read where he stated he wanted his family to have a good life and knew they would duck the bucks out of him. So he simply got it over without all the expense.

He had to admit to the crimes and accept the associated forfeitures that were mistrials in the first EDVA trial.

~$30,000,000 extra in forfeitures. Lost 4 properties, a life insurance property, and a bunch of bank accounts.


For a greedy political mercenary... really makes you wonder what his motivation to run a presidential campaign for free.

[SDHornet]

So no mention of the FISA applications being declassified? Shocker. IG's FISA investigation must be coming out soon.

Not much noise from Comey lately either...hhmmm...

[SeattleGriz]

So no mention of the FISA applications being declassified? Shocker. IG's FISA investigation must be coming out soon.

Not much noise from Comey lately either...hhmmm...

He's hiding in South Dakota.

[Skjellyfetti]

Not really much to talk about until we actually know what's revealed.

[SDHornet]

Not really much to talk about until we actually know what's revealed.

If we held that standard to your posts in this thread, we would only be on page 50 and not pushing page 130.

[GannonFan]

Not really much to talk about until we actually know what's revealed.

Wow - this quote almost got by me. Did Skelly really just say this??? Has his account been hacked by the Russians? We need a wellness-check on Skelly, stat!!!

[Ivytalk]

Not really much to talk about until we actually know what's revealed.

If we held that standard to your posts in this thread, we would only be on page 50 and not pushing page 130.

Yes. Bullshyt should definitely be called.

[Skjellyfetti]

I said the same thing last week when it was announced that Manafort would be pleading guilty.

What would y'all like to discuss regarding the new declassification order?

[CID1990]

I said the same thing last week when it was announced that Manafort would be pleading guilty.

What would y'all like to discuss regarding the new declassification order?

Does it involve Russians?

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't know. We only have the redacted version.

[CID1990]

I don't know. We only have the redacted version.

Surely there must be Russians involved

They’re everywhere

[GannonFan]

I don't know. We only have the redacted version.

Surely there must be Russians involved

They’re everywhere

#RedScare2016

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Mueller is totally McCarthy.

For someone who complains about bad historical analogies.... you sure do like that one.

[GannonFan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Mueller is totally McCarthy.

For someone who complains about bad historical analogies.... you sure do like that one.

Tell me again about how the Russians managed to elect Trump. That is what this is about, no? I'm all in favor of nailing whatever criminals we find during that investigation, even if none of the illegal behavior had anything to do with Russians stealing the 2016 election. I'm good with criminals being found out and punished. But you're being entirely disingenuous when you say fear and paranoia of the Russians and Russian intrigue (psst, that's what a Red Scare is) has nothing to do with this. #RedScare2016 #SkellysheadisinthesandaboutRedScare2016 #history

[Skjellyfetti]

Tell me again about how the Russians managed to elect Trump. That is what this is about, no?

No.

I think it's pretty clear that Russia got involved in the campaign and did so, in part, to help Trump. I don't think it's at all clear that their influence tipped the scales or won it for Trump. I don't think that's something that can be determined. I've never claimed as much and I don't think this thread is about that... but, you can make of it what you will.

I'm all in favor of nailing whatever criminals we find during that investigation, even if none of the illegal behavior had anything to do with Russians stealing the 2016 election. I'm good with criminals being found out and punished. But you're being entirely disingenuous when you say fear and paranoia of the Russians and Russian intrigue (psst, that's what a Red Scare is) has nothing to do with this. #RedScare2016 #SkellysheadisinthesandaboutRedScare2016 #history

Fear and paranoia has nothing to do with it. Rosenstein didn't appoint Mueller because he was paranoid about Russians. At least, I don't think so.

Russian intelligence hacked a political campaign and directed a disinformation campaign to influence our biggest election. It's a big deal. Even someone like Cid considers it to be an act of war. As we've discussed, it's a gray area of "war" - but, surely you agree that it is a significant event. No?

This is Mueller's mandate:

(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation;

I think that pretty much covers what this thread is about. But, again - you can make of it what you want... it's not my thread. It's ours. <3

I don't think Rosenstein, Mueller, Richard Burr, or anyone involved in the investigation is motivated by paranoia. I also don't think they're motivated by politics (but, that's another discussion). It's a legitimate investigation.




and, to your last point - the Red Scare was not about fear and paranoia of Russians - it was about fear and paranoia of communists.

[CID1990]

I'd rather that you collusion weenies would push for us to give the Russians a big fat black eye

instead of your Trump obsession and desires to delegitimize our democratic processes .... which is what this is about... it isnt Trump Derangement Syndrome- it is Clinton Compensation Syndrome

We could eliminate a full 10% of Russia's tactical air force in Syria THIS WEEK if we wanted to

that would give Putin a black eye- THAT is what he understands

all this Russian collusion crap is just an unforseen bonus for Putin - and given its effects will encourage even more pervasive interference in the next election

Guys like Jelly are as valuable to Putin as a squad of Spetznaz commandos... more effective, actually


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