Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[SDHornet]

So the Cohen thing fell apart? Go figure.

[SDHornet]

Sounds like the Ohr hearings are generating more info, shockingly nothing from jellybean on this new plot twist.

Gaetz, emerging from the interview after nearly two hours, said Ohr appeared to be answering questions forthrightly but that his testimony about the timing of his contacts with Fusion appeared to conflict with answers given to lawmakers by Fusion GPS cofounder Glenn Simpson and former FBI attorney Lisa Page.

Meadows and Gaetz also re-emerged to suggest that Ohr’s testimony supports their belief that the FBI “withheld material facts” from the court when it applied for the surveillance warrant on Page.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/ ... iew-799031

Once it's all pieced together, it will be interesting to know who knew what and when and how that all aligns with the FISA warrant. Don't worry though, I'm sure everything the FBI and DOJ did was legit.

[SeattleGriz]

There went any ounce of credibility from Cohen, as if he had any anyway.

Just making up stories he thinks Mueller would want to hear. Wow.

I read where some were thinking Davis told the lie as a ploy to try and get Donald to offer a pardon to Cohen. Wasn't a serious article, just was the only way the guy could make sense of what happened.

[Skjellyfetti]

Sounds like the Ohr hearings are generating more info, shockingly nothing from jellybean on this new plot twist.

Gaetz, emerging from the interview after nearly two hours, said Ohr appeared to be answering questions forthrightly but that his testimony about the timing of his contacts with Fusion appeared to conflict with answers given to lawmakers by Fusion GPS cofounder Glenn Simpson and former FBI attorney Lisa Page.

Meadows and Gaetz also re-emerged to suggest that Ohr’s testimony supports their belief that the FBI “withheld material facts” from the court when it applied for the surveillance warrant on Page.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/ ... iew-799031

More info?

Some vague statements from Gaetz and Meadows?

Would be nice if they had an open hearing instead.

[SDHornet]

Sounds like the Ohr hearings are generating more info, shockingly nothing from jellybean on this new plot twist.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/ ... iew-799031

More info?

Some vague statements from Gaetz and Meadows?

Would be nice if they had an open hearing instead.

Article has more quotes, and agree about the open hearing but they are probably trying to keep the guy alive...you know with the Deep State and all...

[CID1990]

Sounds like the Ohr hearings are generating more info, shockingly nothing from jellybean on this new plot twist.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/ ... iew-799031

More info?

Some vague statements from Gaetz and Meadows?

Would be nice if they had an open hearing instead.

Don’t worry Jelly

If anything that bolsters the left’s case comes out they’ll be sure to leak it to you

[Skjellyfetti]

Sam Patten flips.

Manafort and Kilimnik associate. Worked in the US on microtargeting for Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

[∞∞∞]

Sam Patten flips.

Manafort and Kilimnik associate. Worked in the US on microtargeting for Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

Everyone's flipping; it's awesome.

At the rate I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller catches BDK.

[Skjellyfetti]

And, he's been cooperating since May.

[kalm]

Sam Patten flips.

Manafort and Kilimnik associate. Worked in the US on microtargeting for Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

Trump’s inauguration was attended by an unusually large number of prominent foreign business leaders, particularly Russian moguls whose attendance drew the attention of the FBI at the time.

Nothing burger! Giuliani equates it to Russian parking tickets.

[SDHornet]

Sam Patten flips.

Manafort and Kilimnik associate. Worked in the US on microtargeting for Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

So now dems care about money flowing into a committee or foundation that is associated to a high ranking polititian?

And dems caring about social media analytics too? Didn't Obomba get major kudos for using data to pinpoint election needs/strategies in 2012?

So...much...entertainment...

[houndawg]

First, get the traitor. Business before pleasure.

Traitor?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/25/us-sanc ... onday.html

I am all for justice. If someone did something wrong, an appropriate price needs to be paid. Nobody should be above the law, including Trump.

But how about we do a real investigation into these as well?

Any time he doesn't like what Gollum is doing all he has to do is accept his (Gollum's) resignation.

[houndawg]

assuming you don't lose the Senate too... Turd Boobs is **** without some deus ex voting machina

It takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove a President following an impeachment. Not just a Senate rule, a Constitutional detail. Democrats could win the Senate but gaining a 2/3 majority is impossible right now. Only way Trump is removed from office is if Republicans think setting Pence up as a sure thing in 2020 would be the outcome.

According to the Everett's interpretation of quantum mechanics there are universes where this has already happened.

[houndawg]

This is the best article I’ve seen to date on this particular topic, as well as Mueller’s sham investigation as a whole. Written by Democrat Mark Penn, adviser to Bill Clinton during his impeachment:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... t-up-trump

Sounds like Trump has no real worries once all the dust and MSM theatrics settle.

That's the issue here - so far, they haven't shown that Trump did anything illegal. Immoral? Sure, but who thought Trump was a paragon of morality prior to this? Surrounded by some folks who are breaking the laws, especially tax laws? Sure, but Trump has been operating in the gray areas of the law for years, and famously didn't release his own tax returns, so who didn't already know this?

Heck, at this point, if he wanted to, Trump could just refer to anything related to Stormy Daniels or the National Enquirer story as "just about sex" and resurrect Clinton's successful defense in the '90's.

They have to get him on something related to Russia and Russia interfering illegally in the election at Trump's knowledge or green-lighting of it. If they don't get that, then he just comes out of this stronger and we look at another four years. If Democrats reel in the House in November, the pressure to impeach will be almost impossible to resist, and since the Senate's not removing him on the evidence we have today then he gets to run with that feather in his cap in 2020. It's Russian-conspiracy or bust here - still a ways to go for that.

I think thats where the Russian's tossing some young pussy at the NRA gerontocracy comes into the picture..

[Skjellyfetti]

Randy Credico and Jerome Corsi subpoenaed for Friday.

O/U on Stone's time in the barrel?

[SDHornet]

Lordy!

[Skjellyfetti]

hmmm. searched for it... but, all i found was the guy tucking that into an extended rant on hannity

https://www.google.com/search?q=digenov ... 82&bih=774

[houndawg]

There went any ounce of credibility from Cohen, as if he had any anyway.

Just making up stories he thinks Mueller would want to hear. Wow.

You wish. He's giving Mueller chapter and verse or he goes to jail. Just like Trump's accountant.

[93henfan]

No worries.

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There went any ounce of credibility from Cohen, as if he had any anyway.

Just making up stories he thinks Mueller would want to hear. Wow.

You wish. He's giving Mueller chapter and verse or he goes to jail. Just like Trump's accountant.

I'd like to imagine that Cohen is the most credible person in this entire thing - not because of the man himself, but the paper trail he left behind as well as possible recordings.

Unless Cohen has been making up everything for decades...

[SeattleGriz]

Big discussion if today is the day Trump asks for the FISA memos to be released. If Trump does ask, does Rosenstein and Fray allow that to happen, or do they use the "methods and sources" to block?

Interesting the Senate Intelligence group has seen all of the unredacted information and they have allowed this to continue without shutting it down one way or another.

[AZGrizFan]

I KNEW it!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

Big discussion if today is the day Trump asks for the FISA memos to be released. If Trump does ask, does Rosenstein and Fray allow that to happen, or do they use the "methods and sources" to block?

Interesting the Senate Intelligence group has seen all of the unredacted information and they have allowed this to continue without shutting it down one way or another.

President can declassify anything he wants. They can try to pursuade him about revealing sources and methods... but, he can still declassify if he wants. It's out of their control.

[SeattleGriz]

Big discussion if today is the day Trump asks for the FISA memos to be released. If Trump does ask, does Rosenstein and Fray allow that to happen, or do they use the "methods and sources" to block?

Interesting the Senate Intelligence group has seen all of the unredacted information and they have allowed this to continue without shutting it down one way or another.

President can declassify anything he wants. They can try to pursuade him about revealing sources and methods... but, he can still declassify if he wants. It's out of their control.

My bad, should have been more clear. The process requires Coats, Rosenstein and Fray to sign off on the process.

None of them seem too keen on making their own groups look bad. Will they fight any of the information release would have been a better question.

[Skjellyfetti]

President can declassify anything he wants. They can try to pursuade him about revealing sources and methods... but, he can still declassify if he wants. It's out of their control.

My bad, should have been more clear. The process requires Coats, Rosenstein and Fray to sign off on the process.

None of them seem too keen on making their own groups look bad. Will they fight any of the information release would have been a better question.

Wrong.

The President can just declassify it. It's probably not going to often be a good thing for them to do so unilateraly... and, they should certainly seek consultation from their senior intelligence advisors... but, a President can declassify anything he wants and the approval of Coats, Wray or Rosenstein is not required.