So, the abortion issue is now back in the limelight...

[89Hen]

Gil believes religious faith is sacred and untouchable

I guess some of us judge better than others Cleets. You seem to be able to read a lot into a little.

[Chizzang]

Gil believes religious faith is sacred and untouchable

I guess some of us judge better than others Cleets. You seem to be able to read a lot into a little.

That's a debate we've already had 89...
and I happen to agree that some judgments are "better" than others
Hey, at least we're past the inane idea that the human mind is capable of "no judgement"

[UNI88]

Gil is dropping bombs all over SeaTac!

I happen to enjoy Religious debates...
I find it completely fascinating
Andy, it doesn't hurt my feelings when somebody says something with conviction



Gil believes religious faith is sacred and untouchable
I think it's just like any other belief and open for logical debate

it's about the only thing he and I disagree on

I've read Gil's posts more as he respects others religious faith whether he agrees with it or not. Not that believes religious faith sacred and untouchable.

[Silenoz]

He's saying he judges a person's actions. That's what we do (in addition to judging your smell, looks, education, faith, taste in music,.....)

dick size

Being JSO or not

[89Hen]

I happen to enjoy Religious debates...
I find it completely fascinating
Andy, it doesn't hurt my feelings when somebody says something with conviction



Gil believes religious faith is sacred and untouchable
I think it's just like any other belief and open for logical debate

it's about the only thing he and I disagree on

I've read Gil's posts more as he respects others religious faith whether he agrees with it or not. Not that believes religious faith sacred and untouchable.

[Chizzang]

I happen to enjoy Religious debates...
I find it completely fascinating
Andy, it doesn't hurt my feelings when somebody says something with conviction



Gil believes religious faith is sacred and untouchable
I think it's just like any other belief and open for logical debate

it's about the only thing he and I disagree on

I've read Gil's posts more as he respects others religious faith whether he agrees with it or not. Not that believes religious faith sacred and untouchable.

That's just semantics...
The words Sacred and Respect are practically the same word (to honor)
with "sacred" one simply refines the criteria to religion otherwise they are identical

If we side step the semantics and actually get to the point - that could make things more interesting
The idea of holding religion fully accountable has always been viewed as disrespectful

It's all just semantics
I guess my question would be: Should we think Religion is so special that it precludes investigation
It's easy enough to "not engage" in the debate
but if you step into the debate then by default it's open for discussion right..?

Ultimately I would argue - some religions are dumber than others
Which is a super fun debate BTW

[JoltinJoe]

God must be a woman because she talks to me all the time. But its about **** I don't want to hear or care about instead of important things like lottery numbers or who is going to win the game. Just like most women.

[UNI88]

I've read Gil's posts more as he respects others religious faith whether he agrees with it or not. Not that believes religious faith sacred and untouchable.

That's just semantics...
The words Sacred and Respect are practically the same word (to honor)
with "sacred" one simply refines the criteria to religion otherwise they are identical

If we side step the semantics and actually get to the point - that could make things more interesting
The idea of holding religion fully accountable has always been viewed as disrespectful

It's all just semantics
I guess my question would be: Should we think Religion is so special that it precludes investigation
It's easy enough to "not engage" in the debate
but if you step into the debate then by default it's open for discussion right..?

Ultimately I would argue - some religions are dumber than others
Which is a super fun debate BTW

Yes there is some overlap in the definitions of both words in a venn diagram sort of way. I would say that in this instance to hold something sacred is to venerate it and to respect something is to hold it in due regard. Close but no cigar on being the same word.

I can't speak for Gil on this level of detail but I try to respect other people's beliefs just like I try to respect other aspects of who they are as a person such as their sexual orientation. I don't hold their beliefs or their sexual orientation sacred.

And no I don't think that Religion is so special that it precludes investigation. And yes this can be a super fun debate.

[Gil Dobie]

That's just semantics...
The words Sacred and Respect are practically the same word (to honor)
with "sacred" one simply refines the criteria to religion otherwise they are identical

If we side step the semantics and actually get to the point - that could make things more interesting
The idea of holding religion fully accountable has always been viewed as disrespectful

It's all just semantics
I guess my question would be: Should we think Religion is so special that it precludes investigation
It's easy enough to "not engage" in the debate
but if you step into the debate then by default it's open for discussion right..?

Ultimately I would argue - some religions are dumber than others
Which is a super fun debate BTW

Yes there is some overlap in the definitions of both words in a venn diagram sort of way. I would say that in this instance to hold something sacred is to venerate it and to respect something is to hold it in due regard. Close but no cigar on being the same word.

I can't speak for Gil on this level of detail but I try to respect other people's beliefs just like I try to respect other aspects of who they are as a person such as their sexual orientation. I don't hold their beliefs or their sexual orientation sacred.

And no I don't think that Religion is so special that it precludes investigation. And yes this can be a super fun debate.

Sure all religion/spirituality/faith is up for discussion, and I don't mind a good joke about it either. Respecting a person's beliefs is part of a honest logical discussion.

The differing beliefs of God's Will could be a good discussion.

[89Hen]

I've read Gil's posts more as he respects others religious faith whether he agrees with it or not. Not that believes religious faith sacred and untouchable.

That's just semantics...
The words Sacred and Respect are practically the same word (to honor)
with "sacred" one simply refines the criteria to religion otherwise they are identical

If we side step the semantics and actually get to the point - that could make things more interesting
The idea of holding religion fully accountable has always been viewed as disrespectful

It's all just semantics
I guess my question would be: Should we think Religion is so special that it precludes investigation
It's easy enough to "not engage" in the debate
but if you step into the debate then by default it's open for discussion right..?

Ultimately I would argue - some religions are dumber than others
Which is a super fun debate BTW

Maybe if you use the word 'semantics' a few more times you'll convince somebody you're right on this one. Won't be me, but keep trying.

[Chizzang]

That's just semantics...
The words Sacred and Respect are practically the same word (to honor)
with "sacred" one simply refines the criteria to religion otherwise they are identical

If we side step the semantics and actually get to the point - that could make things more interesting
The idea of holding religion fully accountable has always been viewed as disrespectful

It's all just semantics
I guess my question would be: Should we think Religion is so special that it precludes investigation
It's easy enough to "not engage" in the debate
but if you step into the debate then by default it's open for discussion right..?

Ultimately I would argue - some religions are dumber than others
Which is a super fun debate BTW

Maybe if you use the word 'semantics' a few more times you'll convince somebody you're right on this one. Won't be me, but keep trying.

This of course does not surprise me...

[89Hen]

At least she admits that pro-choice means pro-choice all the way to term. Disgusting.

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[Pwns]

I don't know the best answer to when life begins, but I know "birth" is bad answer scientifically and morally.

[89Hen]

I don't know the best answer to when life begins

FTR, life begins at conception, there's not much debate on that. The debate is when human rights begin. That is hard to pin down, which is why I err on the side of the baby.

[93henfan]

[89Hen]

When a state legislator proposes a bill to allow partial birth... it's gonna come up. And the thread title is a spoiler... don't open it.

[93henfan]

I've said everything I need to say on the topic. See ya.

[CID1990]

At around 2-3 months of gestation, a doctor tells a pregnant woman, “if you carry this baby to term, you’ll die”... or, “your health will be affected adversely”

That’s a pretty compelling argument for an abortion

A doctor telling that same woman the same thing as she’s in labor at 9 months is a bit less credible

[Baldy]

At least she admits that pro-choice means pro-choice all the way to term. Disgusting.

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Something something...kids in cages.

[Chizzang]

I've said everything I need to say on the topic. See ya.

What..!!!
This thing still has legs

[89Hen]

I don't know anyone that advocates for late-term abortion (which is very rare) except in case of danger to the mother.

Now you do.

[Grizalltheway]

At around 2-3 months of gestation, a doctor tells a pregnant woman, “if you carry this baby to term, you’ll die”... or, “your health will be affected adversely”

That’s a pretty compelling argument for an abortion

A doctor telling that same woman the same thing as she’s in labor at 9 months is a bit less credible

The 9 months thing aside, I think your gun control argument applies here-overturn Roe or STFU.

[89Hen]

At around 2-3 months of gestation, a doctor tells a pregnant woman, “if you carry this baby to term, you’ll die”... or, “your health will be affected adversely”

That’s a pretty compelling argument for an abortion

A doctor telling that same woman the same thing as she’s in labor at 9 months is a bit less credible

Don't forget, they include mental health in this bill. Not just that she will die or have major physical issues. At 9 months she panics about having a baby... she can terminate right up to delivery.

And we have a late term abortion clinic in Bethesda. They happen all the time.

[89Hen]

I've said everything I need to say on the topic. See ya.

What..!!!
This thing still has legs

Sure does. Up for vote in Virginia.

[93henfan]

I've said everything I need to say on the topic. See ya.

What..!!!
This thing still has legs

Welcome back.