So, the abortion issue is now back in the limelight...

[Gil Dobie]

So it was God’s will that grandpa was eaten by an alligator?

I’ve been pointing out the idiocy of “Gods Will” for a long time. It’s a cop-out. It’s as meaningless as, “I’m praying for you.”

Read this:
https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles ... -for-alex/



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Everything happens for a reason, and it's not always God's Will.

[Chizzang]

Everything happens for a reason, and it's not always God's Will.

How do you know..?

[Gil Dobie]

Everything happens for a reason, and it's not always God's Will.

How do you know..?

[Chizzang]

How do you know..?

Gil, It's a funny image but
That explains nothing in regards to what god does and does not do...

If I post a picture of white Jesus does that mean Jesus was white..?

[AZGrizFan]

Gil, It's a funny image but
That explains nothing in regards to what god does and does not do...

If I post a picture of white Jesus does that mean Jesus was white..?

Silly liberal. Everyone knows Jesus was white.

[UNI88]

Everything happens for a reason, and it's not always God's Will.

How do you know..?

You don't. It's a matter of faith. Do you think everything is preordained or is there free will. I believe in free will.

[Chizzang]

How do you know..?

You don't. It's a matter of faith. Do you think everything is preordained or is there free will. I believe in free will.

Faith in what exactly..?
That there is a cosmic version of Santa Claus?

also, regarding Free Will:
Do you know what your next thought is going to be...

[UNI88]

You don't. It's a matter of faith. Do you think everything is preordained or is there free will. I believe in free will.

Faith in what exactly..?
That there is a cosmic version of Santa Claus?

also, regarding Free Will:
Do you know what your next thought is going to be...

Faith in whatever - is there a greater power? Is everything pre-ordained or can my actions or lack of action change the future?

I'm a guy so there is a high probability that my next thought will involve sex, alcohol or sports.

[kalm]

Faith in what exactly..?
That there is a cosmic version of Santa Claus?

also, regarding Free Will:
Do you know what your next thought is going to be...

Faith in whatever - is there a greater power? Is everything pre-ordained or can my actions or lack of action change the future?

I'm a guy so there is a high probability that my next thought will involve sex, alcohol or sports.

What if if things aren’t pre-ordained AND there is free will?

(I’m sensing a trap here but I like where this is going)

[Chizzang]

Faith in what exactly..?
That there is a cosmic version of Santa Claus?

also, regarding Free Will:
Do you know what your next thought is going to be...

Faith in whatever - is there a greater power? Is everything pre-ordained or can my actions or lack of action change the future?

I'm a guy so there is a high probability that my next thought will involve sex, alcohol or sports.

Right...
It's not tricky
unless your put your roller skates on and head down the slippery slope of "pretending"
The only answer is: We don't know

and
Pretending to know things that we do not know is the lifeblood of Religion

[houndawg]

This is a sensible position.

I have nothing against those which have a core belief that life begins at conception, or try to sway women into keeping the fetus into birth. When you start wanting to take away the right to abortions and punishing them for it, that's where things get ugly.

Unless it’s a RELIGOUS SUPERSTITION ...THAT you’ve made perfectly clear.

FIFY

[houndawg]

I’ve been pointing out the idiocy of “Gods Will” for a long time. It’s a cop-out. It’s as meaningless as, “I’m praying for you.”

Read this:
https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles ... -for-alex/



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Everything happens for a reason, and it's not always God's Will.

yes, everything happens for a reason or reasons, but that isn't the same as predetermination though, which I always see it passed off as....
.

[houndawg]

I believe everything that happens is Gods will...
Grandma survived cancer (Gods will)
Trump got elected (Gods will)
Some fetus get aborted (Gods will)

It's pretty simple... All you Satanic bastards need some God

I'll believe you when I see you cross a busy street without looking both ways...

[Chizzang]

I believe everything that happens is Gods will...
Grandma survived cancer (Gods will)
Trump got elected (Gods will)
Some fetus get aborted (Gods will)

It's pretty simple... All you Satanic bastards need some God

I'll believe you when I see you cross a busy street without looking both ways...

Bingo..!!!
Also why don't Televangelist Faith Healers go to intensive care ward at the hospital and heal people..?

[Chizzang]

Nobody can define exactly what Free Will is
science has already shown that humans have no idea what their next thought is going to be

Nobody can define what God is
because no one individual knows any more or less about God than anybody else

All we have is faith... and that means something different to every human
but we don't actually know sh!t

Anybody telling you they "know something" about god they are usually just a brainwashed liar

[AZGrizFan]

Nobody can define exactly what Free Will is
science has already shown that humans have no idea what their next thought is going to be

Nobody can define what God is
because no one individual knows any more or less about God than anybody else

All we have is faith... and that means something different to every human
but we don't actually know sh!t

Anybody telling you they "know something" about god they are usually just a brainwashed liar

I’ve got about a 95% chance of my next thought being about pussy or beer.

[andy7171]

Gil, It's a funny image but
That explains nothing in regards to what god does and does not do...

If I post a picture of white Jesus does that mean Jesus was white..?

Yes


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[93henfan]

First three pages of this thread:


Rest of the thread:

[Ivytalk]

Nobody can define exactly what Free Will is
science has already shown that humans have no idea what their next thought is going to be

Nobody can define what God is
because no one individual knows any more or less about God than anybody else

All we have is faith... and that means something different to every human
but we don't actually know sh!t

Anybody telling you they "know something" about god they are usually just a brainwashed liar

Spoken by the Maharaj Chizz.

[Gil Dobie]

Gil, It's a funny image but
That explains nothing in regards to what god does and does not do...

If I post a picture of white Jesus does that mean Jesus was white..?

In my original statement, I never mentioned that I know what God's Will is, just believe that everything that happens is not God's Will. I believe that human will, self will, human nature, free will, whatever you call it, gets in the way of God's Will. My picture may be funny to you, but it shows an example of the human will doing it's thing.

[Gil Dobie]

Nobody can define exactly what Free Will is
science has already shown that humans have no idea what their next thought is going to be

Nobody can define what God is
because no one individual knows any more or less about God than anybody else

All we have is faith... and that means something different to every human
but we don't actually know sh!t

Anybody telling you they "know something" about god they are usually just a brainwashed liar

You appear to know something about God?

[Chizzang]

Nobody can define exactly what Free Will is
science has already shown that humans have no idea what their next thought is going to be

Nobody can define what God is
because no one individual knows any more or less about God than anybody else

All we have is faith... and that means something different to every human
but we don't actually know sh!t

Anybody telling you they "know something" about god they are usually just a brainwashed liar

You appear to know something about God?

I know exactly the same amount about God as everybody else..

[JohnStOnge]

From Merriam Webster (definition of Free Will):

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freewill

Definition of free will
1 : voluntary choice or decision I do this of my own free will
2 : freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

[kalm]

First three pages of this thread:


Rest of the thread:

[andy7171]

Faith doesn't give you all the answers, it gives you the grace to live with the questions.