Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[houndawg]

Sorry, should have been more clear with what I was implying. The FISAs were renewed to extend surveillance on Trump. 360 days worth in total.

You don't find it incongruent that Page was a previous Russia informant for the FBI and they needed to surveil a guy for a whole year, especially considering what little role he actually played in the Trump group?

Pretty obvious Page wasn't the actual target.

PS. Don't forget I'm hoping for the Deep State takedown version. Ha.

Jellybean is just being naive about the whole thing...I mean look he bought the Russian collusion narrative hook line and sinker and now it's biting him and his fellow leftists in the ass. If TT wasn't bugged, Trump wouldn't have relocated, it's that simple. The dude that signed off on the FISA warrant extensions that used a fake DNC dossier and a yahoo article for justification is no big deal to him.

Also no mention from jelly on the fact that the Comey memos were finally release after months of FBI stonewalling, finally something on Russian collusion and obstruction of justice...oh wait, stated that Trump was glad to have Comey stay on and did not ask for the investigation to be shut down. Whoops.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... memos.html

More Russian collusion narratives implode on jellybean and the leftists...guess the only hope to oust Trump is with whatever dirt (non-Russian collusion related of course) they can dig up from Cohen.

And we are still waiting on more to be made public form Horowitz.

Ohhh, Cisco.....


I bet that's why he doesn't golf at Camp David either.

[Skjellyfetti]

Not really surprising.

But, I'm not sure how people are still taking Don Jr.'s excuses at face value.

Turns out... Veselnitskaya is as Goldstone described.

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

The Russian lawyer who met with Trump campaign officials in Trump Tower in June 2016 on the premise that she would deliver damaging information about Hillary Clinton has long insisted she is a private attorney, not a Kremlin operative trying to meddle in the presidential election.

But newly released emails show that in at least one instance two years earlier, the lawyer, Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, worked hand in glove with Russia’s chief legal office to thwart a Justice Department civil fraud case against a well-connected Russian firm.

Ms. Veselnitskaya also appears to have recanted her earlier denials of Russian government ties. During an interview to be broadcast Friday by NBC News, she acknowledged that she was not merely a private lawyer but a source of information for a top Kremlin official, Yuri Y. Chaika, the prosecutor general.

“I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” she said. “Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/n ... neral.html

A new court filing by Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel confirms that Paul Manafort was raided by the FBI to look for documents relating to the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 with Russian lobbyists, which was brokered by Donald Trump Jr.

Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, is indicted on five counts, among them conspiracy against the United States, money laundering, and acting as an agent of a foreign government without registering as such. The 69-year-old political consultant made tens of millions of dollars by working for the Ukrainian government, then controlled by the Kremlin ally Viktor Yanukovych.

He attended the Trump Tower meeting, at which a Russian lawyer with links to the Kremlin and a former Soviet counterintelligence officer were also present, while running the presidential campaign. They allegedly promised dirt on Trump’s rival, Hillary Clinton.

According to the latest court filing by the Mueller inquiry, which is defending a warrant attached to a raid on Manafort’s home in July 2017, part of what the FBI were hunting for were “communications, records, documents, and other files involving any of the attendees of the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, as well as Aras and [Emin] Agalarov.”

http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-raided-mana ... rms-898389

[JohnStOnge]

. The dude that signed off on the FISA warrant extensions that used a fake DNC dossier...

What's fake is the right wing media and Trump supporters' repeated association that the dossier is fake. It's not. Some parts of it have been verified. Other parts have not been verified. Please note that "not verified" is not synonymous with "false" or "proven to be untrue."

Here is one summary of the situation:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-do ... now-777116

For all we know some of the things that were not verified as of the publication of that article are now verified.

This whole thing about the FBI being out to get Trump is such crap. It's utter nonsense.

[UNI88]

. The dude that signed off on the FISA warrant extensions that used a fake DNC dossier...

What's fake is the right wing media and Trump supporters' repeated association that the dossier is fake. It's not. Some parts of it have been verified. Other parts have not been verified. Please note that "not verified" is not synonymous with "false" or "proven to be untrue."

Here is one summary of the situation:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-do ... now-777116

For all we know some of the things that were not verified as of the publication of that article are now verified.

This whole thing about the FBI being out to get Trump is such crap. It's utter nonsense.

John, I don't know if the FBI being out to get Trump is crap but he's brought it on himself so I don't feel sorry for him. I would aks why you're so open minded when it comes to unverified evidence that implicates Trump but so quick to dismiss unverified evidence that implicates she who cannot be named but Chizzy would chastise me for bringing up she who cannot be named.

[Chizzang]

What's fake is the right wing media and Trump supporters' repeated association that the dossier is fake. It's not. Some parts of it have been verified. Other parts have not been verified. Please note that "not verified" is not synonymous with "false" or "proven to be untrue."

Here is one summary of the situation:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-do ... now-777116

For all we know some of the things that were not verified as of the publication of that article are now verified.

This whole thing about the FBI being out to get Trump is such crap. It's utter nonsense.

John, I don't know if the FBI being out to get Trump is crap but he's brought it on himself so I don't feel sorry for him. I would aks why you're so open minded when it comes to unverified evidence that implicates Trump but so quick to dismiss unverified evidence that implicates she who cannot be named but Chizzy would chastise me for bringing up she who cannot be named.

well played

[CID1990]

Good lord you guys are frothing at the mouth

Hey Jelly - you should start a thread about something legitimate... like Trump's payments to women in violation of FEC rules

if there's a "there" there, it's there

Russian shenanigans are real - it happens now as it always has... and I'm glad to see all you lefties finally getting on board (75 years late of course). What they did during the last election certainly merits attention

but the collusion angle isn't there - it never has been. Take it to the bank



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[UNI88]

Hildamort

John, I don't know if the FBI being out to get Trump is crap but he's brought it on himself so I don't feel sorry for him. I would aks why you're so open minded when it comes to unverified evidence that implicates Trump but so quick to dismiss unverified evidence that implicates she who cannot be named but Chizzy would chastise me for bringing up she who cannot be named.

well played

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[Skjellyfetti]

Not even investigating! Ruled it out a year ago!

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

The open-ended queries appear to be an attempt to penetrate the president’s thinking, to get at the motivation behind some of his most combative Twitter posts and to examine his relationships with his family and his closest advisers. They deal chiefly with the president’s high-profile firings of the F.B.I. director and his first national security adviser, his treatment of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and a 2016 Trump Tower meeting between campaign officials and Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But they also touch on the president’s businesses; any discussions with his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, about a Moscow real estate deal; whether the president knew of any attempt by Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to set up a back channel to Russia during the transition; any contacts he had with Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime adviser who claimed to have inside information about Democratic email hackings; and what happened during Mr. Trump’s 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant.

The questions provide the most detailed look yet inside Mr. Mueller’s investigation, which has been shrouded in secrecy since he was appointed nearly a year ago. The majority relate to possible obstruction of justice, demonstrating how an investigation into Russia’s election meddling grew to include an examination of the president’s conduct in office. Among them are queries on any discussions Mr. Trump had about his attempts to fire Mr. Mueller himself and what the president knew about possible pardon offers to Mr. Flynn.

“What efforts were made to reach out to Mr. Flynn about seeking immunity or possible pardon?” Mr. Mueller planned to ask, according to questions read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.

A few questions reveal that Mr. Mueller is still investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. In one of the more tantalizing inquiries, Mr. Mueller asks what Mr. Trump knew about campaign aides, including the former chairman Paul Manafort, seeking assistance from Moscow: “What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?” No such outreach has been revealed publicly.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/u ... trump.html

[JohnStOnge]

What's fake is the right wing media and Trump supporters' repeated association that the dossier is fake. It's not. Some parts of it have been verified. Other parts have not been verified. Please note that "not verified" is not synonymous with "false" or "proven to be untrue."

Here is one summary of the situation:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-do ... now-777116

For all we know some of the things that were not verified as of the publication of that article are now verified.

This whole thing about the FBI being out to get Trump is such crap. It's utter nonsense.

John, I don't know if the FBI being out to get Trump is crap but he's brought it on himself so I don't feel sorry for him. I would aks why you're so open minded when it comes to unverified evidence that implicates Trump but so quick to dismiss unverified evidence that implicates she who cannot be named but Chizzy would chastise me for bringing up she who cannot be named.

I don't think people should be "convicted" on the basis of unverified evidence. But what we're talking about here is an effort by Republicans to create the impression that the dossier is nothing and that it's been discredited. It hasn't been. And, in fact, some of the stuff in it HAS been verified. And that includes stuff involving Carter page.

[Ivytalk]

John, I don't know if the FBI being out to get Trump is crap but he's brought it on himself so I don't feel sorry for him. I would aks why you're so open minded when it comes to unverified evidence that implicates Trump but so quick to dismiss unverified evidence that implicates she who cannot be named but Chizzy would chastise me for bringing up she who cannot be named.

I don't think people should be "convicted" on the basis of unverified evidence. But what we're talking about here is an effort by Republicans to create the impression that the dossier is nothing and that it's been discredited. It hasn't been. And, in fact, some of the stuff in it HAS been verified. And that includes stuff involving Carter page.

Why should we fvcking care?

[CID1990]

Not even investigating! Ruled it out a year ago!

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

The open-ended queries appear to be an attempt to penetrate the president’s thinking, to get at the motivation behind some of his most combative Twitter posts and to examine his relationships with his family and his closest advisers. They deal chiefly with the president’s high-profile firings of the F.B.I. director and his first national security adviser, his treatment of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and a 2016 Trump Tower meeting between campaign officials and Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But they also touch on the president’s businesses; any discussions with his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, about a Moscow real estate deal; whether the president knew of any attempt by Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to set up a back channel to Russia during the transition; any contacts he had with Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime adviser who claimed to have inside information about Democratic email hackings; and what happened during Mr. Trump’s 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant.

The questions provide the most detailed look yet inside Mr. Mueller’s investigation, which has been shrouded in secrecy since he was appointed nearly a year ago. The majority relate to possible obstruction of justice, demonstrating how an investigation into Russia’s election meddling grew to include an examination of the president’s conduct in office. Among them are queries on any discussions Mr. Trump had about his attempts to fire Mr. Mueller himself and what the president knew about possible pardon offers to Mr. Flynn.

“What efforts were made to reach out to Mr. Flynn about seeking immunity or possible pardon?” Mr. Mueller planned to ask, according to questions read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.

A few questions reveal that Mr. Mueller is still investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. In one of the more tantalizing inquiries, Mr. Mueller asks what Mr. Trump knew about campaign aides, including the former chairman Paul Manafort, seeking assistance from Moscow: “What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?” No such outreach has been revealed publicly.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/u ... trump.html

Clitz labeled you perfectly - you're a simpleton

I told you - numerous times - this is for show.

Unlike yours, my position and statements on this issue have remained unmoved - that's an advantage of using common sense and experience




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[JohnStOnge]

I don't think people should be "convicted" on the basis of unverified evidence. But what we're talking about here is an effort by Republicans to create the impression that the dossier is nothing and that it's been discredited. It hasn't been. And, in fact, some of the stuff in it HAS been verified. And that includes stuff involving Carter page.

Why should we fvcking care?

I think because to my knowledge we've never had a situation like this where the Party in power is trying to discredit the intelligence agencies in order to insulate the President associated with it from accountability. I don't think it's ever been this bad. But if you are willing to provide historical examples of cases where it WAS this bad in that regard I am willing to listen.

[Skjellyfetti]

I told you - numerous times - this is for show.

And, I don't see Mueller as the type to put on a show.

If you're right - he and Rosenstein would deserve to be fired.

[CID1990]

I told you - numerous times - this is for show.

And, I don't see Mueller as the type to put on a show.

If you're right - he and Rosenstein would deserve to be fired.

Why?

Its the only option available to Mueller - it has nothing to do with him or Rosenstein

you follow the evidence

and you get shady money laundering, failures to register as foreign agents, etc etc

maybe a FEC violation or two involving porn stars


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[Skjellyfetti]

Mueller is tasked with investigating coordination.

Other crimes that are directly found in relation to that investigation are his secondary task.

If Mueller was able to rule out coordination as soon as he was appointed - he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place. And, continuing the investigation for a year and pulling off some of the top DOJ lawyers for a "show" seems pretty unethical.

[CAA Flagship]

Mueller is tasked with investigating coordination.

Other crimes that are directly found in relation to that investigation are his secondary task.

If Mueller was able to rule out coordination as soon as he was appointed - he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place. And, continuing the investigation for a year and pulling off some of the top DOJ lawyers for a "show" seems pretty unethical.

Your opinion is duly noted.

[CID1990]

If Mueller was able to rule out coordination as soon as he was appointed - he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.

Voila!

BTW thanks for the primer on special prosecutors - I had no idea

[Pwns]

Mueller is just trying to be extra careful not to do anything to hurt the FBI's rep. Plus, he's a GWB appointee and Republican and he's not going to give anyone reasonable any reason to think the fix was in.

[Ibanez]

Not even investigating! Ruled it out a year ago!

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

The open-ended queries appear to be an attempt to penetrate the president’s thinking, to get at the motivation behind some of his most combative Twitter posts and to examine his relationships with his family and his closest advisers. They deal chiefly with the president’s high-profile firings of the F.B.I. director and his first national security adviser, his treatment of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and a 2016 Trump Tower meeting between campaign officials and Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But they also touch on the president’s businesses; any discussions with his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, about a Moscow real estate deal; whether the president knew of any attempt by Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to set up a back channel to Russia during the transition; any contacts he had with Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime adviser who claimed to have inside information about Democratic email hackings; and what happened during Mr. Trump’s 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant.

The questions provide the most detailed look yet inside Mr. Mueller’s investigation, which has been shrouded in secrecy since he was appointed nearly a year ago. The majority relate to possible obstruction of justice, demonstrating how an investigation into Russia’s election meddling grew to include an examination of the president’s conduct in office. Among them are queries on any discussions Mr. Trump had about his attempts to fire Mr. Mueller himself and what the president knew about possible pardon offers to Mr. Flynn.

“What efforts were made to reach out to Mr. Flynn about seeking immunity or possible pardon?” Mr. Mueller planned to ask, according to questions read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.

A few questions reveal that Mr. Mueller is still investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. In one of the more tantalizing inquiries, Mr. Mueller asks what Mr. Trump knew about campaign aides, including the former chairman Paul Manafort, seeking assistance from Moscow: “What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?” No such outreach has been revealed publicly.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/u ... trump.html

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602 ... tions-came

Michael Zeldin, a CNN legal analyst and former assistant to Robert Mueller, said Tuesday he believes President Trump leaked the list of nearly 50 questions the special counsel allegedly wants to ask Trump.

“I think these are notes taken by the recipients of a conversation with Mueller’s office where he outlined broad topics and these guys wrote down questions that they thought these topics may raise,” Zeldin said on CNN's "New Day."

“Because of the way these questions are written ... lawyers wouldn’t write questions this way, in my estimation. Some of the grammar is not even proper," he continued. "So, I don’t see this as a list of written questions that Mueller’s office gave to the president. I think these are more notes that the White House has taken and then they have expanded upon the conversation to write out these as questions.”

[SeattleGriz]

I told you - numerous times - this is for show.

And, I don't see Mueller as the type to put on a show.

If you're right - he and Rosenstein would deserve to be fired.

What about the Anthrax case with Hatfill and Ivans when Meuller was director. Travesty.

[JohnStOnge]

Why should we fvcking care?

Ivy, do you not think it's obvious that we have an Administration focused on discrediting institutions that might hold it accountable? I'm talking about, most prominently, the free press and the intelligence community.

Do you want an Administration to succeed in doing that? Do you want the Executive Branch to get to the point where when the free press and/or the intelligence community raises the alarm about it nobody believes them? Do you think that's a good thing?

[Ibanez]

Ty Cobb is out.

White House lawyer Ty Cobb is leaving his position, and a lawyer who represented former President Bill Clinton during his impeachment process is joining President Donald Trump's legal team as it adopts a more adversarial posture toward the special counsel's investigation.

Cobb has been discussing his retirement for several weeks and let chief of staff John Kelly know he would be retiring at the end of May, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement. She later confirmed reports that Emmet Flood, who represented Clinton in the late 1990s, is joining the White House staff.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics ... index.html

[Ivytalk]

Ty Cobb is out.

White House lawyer Ty Cobb is leaving his position, and a lawyer who represented former President Bill Clinton during his impeachment process is joining President Donald Trump's legal team as it adopts a more adversarial posture toward the special counsel's investigation.

Cobb has been discussing his retirement for several weeks and let chief of staff John Kelly know he would be retiring at the end of May, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement. She later confirmed reports that Emmet Flood, who represented Clinton in the late 1990s, is joining the White House staff.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics ... index.html

No, he’s safe!

Oh, THAT Ty Cobb. Never mind.

The original Cobb would’ve spiked Trump by now.

[Ibanez]

Ty Cobb is out.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics ... index.html

No, he’s safe!

Oh, THAT Ty Cobb. Never mind.

The original Cobb would’ve spiked Trump by now.

I'd pay to see that.

[Skjellyfetti]

Michael Caputo, after being interviewed by Mueller's team today:

It’s clear they are still really focused on Russia collusion. They know more about the Trump campaign than anyone who ever worked there. The Senate and the House are net fishing. The special counsel is spearfishing. They know what they are aiming at and are deadly accurate.