For those that think "more voters = better democracy"

[AZGrizFan]

Reagan could run circles around just about anybody that’s come after him.

[CID1990]

HAH HAH

We get the kid on one hand taking a poke at someone for being too moderate and klam trotting out his Reagan bugaboo all in the space of two posts

its a doofus twofer


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Reagan...the 3rd rail of conk political discussions....

Says the only person in this forum who can't stop bringing him up

we know you liked Carter, but we've all moved on. I believe we're at "but Obama" now


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[Gil Dobie]

Reagan...the 3rd rail of conk political discussions....

Says the only person in this forum who can't stop bringing him up

we know you liked Carter, but we've all moved on. I believe we're at "but Obama" now


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Debatable

[kalm]

Reagan...the 3rd rail of conk political discussions....

Says the only person in this forum who can't stop bringing him up

we know you liked Carter, but we've all moved on. I believe we're at "but Obama" now


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Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Consider my Reagan homilies a form of PSA for the gullible and younger generations who believe the propaganda.

Like my uber conservative buddy who owns a C-store likes to point out: "Carter was a terrible president but my business never did better than under his administration". Carter made mistakes but was also prescient regarding our dependence on foreign oil and the environment.

FWIW I like Nixon quite a bit too. Remember: Post partisan...centrist...me!

[kalm]

And Cidney,

You mentioned Carter and I almost forgot about his de-regulation policies.

Here's a piece from the Mises Institute (Yeah, that Mises Institute) claiming he was under-appreciated for laying the ground work of the new economy and tech boom of the late '90's! If only we had de-regulated going forward after that!



https://mises.org/library/rethinking-carter

[CAA Flagship]

Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Consider my Reagan homilies a form of PSA for the gullible and younger generations who believe the propaganda.

Like my uber conservative buddy who owns a C-store likes to point out: "Carter was a terrible president but my business never did better than under his administration". Carter made mistakes but was also prescient regarding our dependence on foreign oil and the environment.

FWIW I like Nixon quite a bit too. Remember: Post partisan...centrist...me!

I don't doubt that it was possible to do better under Carter, but I question why that was.
Was it because competition was not as fierce? Entrepreneurship dropped during the Carter administration.
Was he in the disco clothing business?

[CID1990]

Says the only person in this forum who can't stop bringing him up

we know you liked Carter, but we've all moved on. I believe we're at "but Obama" now


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Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Consider my Reagan homilies a form of PSA for the gullible and younger generations who believe the propaganda.

Like my uber conservative buddy who owns a C-store likes to point out: "Carter was a terrible president but my business never did better than under his administration". Carter made mistakes but was also prescient regarding our dependence on foreign oil and the environment.

FWIW I like Nixon quite a bit too. Remember: Post partisan...centrist...me!

As Clitz would say

TL/DR

[Chizzang]

Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Consider my Reagan homilies a form of PSA for the gullible and younger generations who believe the propaganda.

Like my uber conservative buddy who owns a C-store likes to point out: "Carter was a terrible president but my business never did better than under his administration". Carter made mistakes but was also prescient regarding our dependence on foreign oil and the environment.

FWIW I like Nixon quite a bit too. Remember: Post partisan...centrist...me!

As Clitz would say

TL/DR

You forgot Hilary...

[CID1990]

As Clitz would say

TL/DR

You forgot Hilary...

Sir Edmund?

[HI54UNI]

Says the only person in this forum who can't stop bringing him up

we know you liked Carter, but we've all moved on. I believe we're at "but Obama" now


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Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Don't forget all the kids named in his honor.

[kalm]

Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Consider my Reagan homilies a form of PSA for the gullible and younger generations who believe the propaganda.

Like my uber conservative buddy who owns a C-store likes to point out: "Carter was a terrible president but my business never did better than under his administration". Carter made mistakes but was also prescient regarding our dependence on foreign oil and the environment.

FWIW I like Nixon quite a bit too. Remember: Post partisan...centrist...me!

As Clitz would say

TL/DR

Here’s the footnotes...

Reagan history
thanks to re-branded PR
fools conservatives

[kalm]

Ummm yeah...like I just said. You simply never speak poorly of the Gipper or else! Do you even understand how many airports, turnpikes, schools, and streets have been named after him??? Probably more than Bush, Clinton, and Bush combined! He must be deserving right?

Don't forget all the kids named in his honor.

I actually knew of a Regan. Sweet little girl. I wished her a high ankle sprain in 5-6 year old youth soccer.

[Chizzang]

As Clitz would say

TL/DR

Here’s the footnotes...

Reagan history
thanks to re-branded PR
fools conservatives

Re-writing Reagan history has been taken to an art form by republicans
Reagan is like Jesus to the Mormons - he's attributed to a great many things

[AZGrizFan]

Here’s the footnotes...

Reagan history
thanks to re-branded PR
fools conservatives

Re-writing Reagan history has been taken to an art form by republicans
Reagan is like Jesus to the Mormons - he's attributed to a great many things

Yeah, because REAGAN is the only president who’s believers do that.

[kalm]

Re-writing Reagan history has been taken to an art form by republicans
Reagan is like Jesus to the Mormons - he's attributed to a great many things

Yeah, because REAGAN is the only president who’s believers do that.

But, but Obama, Clinton, Carter, LBJ, Kennedy, Truman, FDR....

[93henfan]

Yeah, because REAGAN is the only president who’s believers do that.

But, but Obama, Clinton, Carter, LBJ, Kennedy, Truman, FDR....

[HI54UNI]

Don't forget all the kids named in his honor.

I actually knew of a Regan. Sweet little girl. I wished her a high ankle sprain in 5-6 year old youth soccer.

She was named after Reagan's treasury secretary and chief of staff? That's pretty obscure......

[93henfan]

I actually knew of a Regan. Sweet little girl. I wished her a high ankle sprain in 5-6 year old youth soccer.

She was named after Reagan's treasury secretary and chief of staff? That's pretty obscure......

No. She was named after the puking green bitch in The Exorcist.

[UNI88]

Yeah, because REAGAN is the only president who’s believers do that.

But, but Obama, Clinton, Carter, LBJ, Kennedy, Truman, FDR....

I respect Reagan for what he actually accomplished (I've already covered much of that so I won't rehash it) not for some idealized image of how he's the father of the modern ultra-conservative/tea party movement. The reality is that if Reagan were in politics today many Conks would call him a RINO because he was willing to work with Dems and compromise.

I agree that Carter was underrated. His presidency did not turn out well but he was the least hypocritical president we've had in a long time. I also think that Clinton's presidency was a good one as well.

Kennedy is overrated. He had a number of ideas revered by Donks but LBJ was the one that accomplished them. Like Reagan, I wonder how today's Donks would really react to Kennedy. "Don't ask what your country can do for you" seems like the exact opposite of what both parties think.

[UNI88]

And Cidney,

You mentioned Carter and I almost forgot about his de-regulation policies.

Here's a piece from the Mises Institute (Yeah, that Mises Institute) claiming he was under-appreciated for laying the ground work of the new economy and tech boom of the late '90's! If only we had de-regulated going forward after that!

Where's the piece?

[93henfan]

The reality is that if Reagan were in politics today many Conks would call him a RINO because he was willing to work with Dems and compromise.

Not to mention Reagan helped make more guns illegal in America than any President in the history of the country. He'd get an F- rating from the NRA today.

While California governor, he banned open carry via the Mulford Act and instituted a wait period for purchases. He signed FOPA into law in 1986, banning civilian ownership of new machine guns, and he wrote a letter to Congress (co-signed with Carter and Ford) in support of the 1994 assault weapons ban just before it passed.

[Ivytalk]

And Cidney,

You mentioned Carter and I almost forgot about his de-regulation policies.

Here's a piece from the Mises Institute (Yeah, that Mises Institute) claiming he was under-appreciated for laying the ground work of the new economy and tech boom of the late '90's! If only we had de-regulated going forward after that!

Where's the piece?

It must be there somewhere.

[kalm]

Where's the piece?

It must be there somewhere.

https://mises.org/library/rethinking-carter

Ooops. My bad. I was in a hurry to go play golf with all the other proletarians.

[kalm]

But, but Obama, Clinton, Carter, LBJ, Kennedy, Truman, FDR....

I respect Reagan for what he actually accomplished (I've already covered much of that so I won't rehash it) not for some idealized image of how he's the father of the modern ultra-conservative/tea party movement. The reality is that if Reagan were in politics today many Conks would call him a RINO because he was willing to work with Dems and compromise.

I agree that Carter was underrated. His presidency did not turn out well but he was the least hypocritical president we've had in a long time. I also think that Clinton's presidency was a good one as well.

Kennedy is overrated. He had a number of ideas revered by Donks but LBJ was the one that accomplished them. Like Reagan, I wonder how today's Donks would really react to Kennedy. "Don't ask what your country can do for you" seems like the exact opposite of what both parties think.

What did he accomplish again?

He sped up the demise of the Soviet Union (on a credit card) and was the catalyst for freedom spreading to Eastern Europe. Some of this was occuring or would have occured regardless but he gets some props here. However, Russia is still a player and semi-antagonist from what I've heard.

He created the trickle down effect by shifting the tax burden lower. Moreover, his goofy economics greenlighted decades of supply side theory where both parties pander to financial elites, de-regulate, and increase the risk of bubble economies and crashes (even within his own time in office) at the expense of the middle class (see Clinton and the current DNC).

I'll grant you that his charisma and cheerleading brought hope to the country, he did seem to work well with Democrats, and even the russkies where he negotiated nuclear arms reductions. But we still have plenty of nukes in the world and 1980's congressional Dems also deserve some props for working with him.

And yes, he would be called a RINO by some today, even more so if a greater number of conservatives looked at his actual policies rather than be persuaded by his Legacy Project. It's been a masterful feat of rebranding a truly overrated president.

There are many additional un-American things he did (like back door deals with terrorists and autocratic muslim regimes - not that he's alone in this) but like you, there's no need for me to repeat them.

[UNI88]

It must be there somewhere.

https://mises.org/library/rethinking-carter

Ooops. My bad. I was in a hurry to go play golf with all the other proletarians.

Very good article and I would agree that Carter played a significant role in laying the groundwork for today's economy.

And golf is so bourgeois, way to high brow for a progressive like yourself.