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Do you honestly think any of the Congressional investigations into Russian involvement in the 2016 US election are credible? Do you think the Mueller investigation is credible? Be honest.
The only one that matters and is credible is Mueller's.

And before anyone says something like, " Well those lawyers gave money to Democrats"...So did Trump. You aren't going to 100% eliminate bias. Which would you rather have - your friends say you are innocent or your enemies say you're innocent? I think having "enemies" admit that you are innocent of all charges carries more weight.
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Ibanez wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Do you honestly think any of the Congressional investigations into Russian involvement in the 2016 US election are credible? Do you think the Mueller investigation is credible? Be honest.
The only one that matters and is credible is Mueller's.

And before anyone says something like, " Well those lawyers gave money to Democrats"...So did Trump. You aren't going to 100% eliminate bias. Which would you rather have - your friends say you are innocent or your enemies say you're innocent? I think having "enemies" admit that you are innocent of all charges carries more weight.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Ibanez wrote: The only one that matters and is credible is Mueller's.

And before anyone says something like, " Well those lawyers gave money to Democrats"...So did Trump. You aren't going to 100% eliminate bias. Which would you rather have - your friends say you are innocent or your enemies say you're innocent? I think having "enemies" admit that you are innocent of all charges carries more weight.
Why?
The congressional investigations are extremely partisan. Those are for show.

Mueller's investigation, even though it's heavy on democrats ( i think 11 of 16 people involved), is lead by expert's in their fields and has already acquired guilty plea's. They aren't coming up with falsehoods. They are exposing facts and have people close to Trump pleading guilty (and likely talking to avoid spending 10 years at Club Fed.)

1) You have a life-long Republican, bringing charges against other Republicans - that to me shows that he's not fucking around.

2) You have senior members of the GOP saying that Mueller's investigation must continue unimpeded and interference from Trump would be "the beginning of the end".

3) Read the appointment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 1/download. Those aren't 'hardened Democrats" mention giving authorizaiton for the investigation. It's men that are lifelong Republicans. One of whom has a history of standing up to Republicans and the other hand picked by Trump.


Did Trump knowingly "collude" with Russia? I wouldn't put it past him but I think he most likely benefited from the certain Russian involvement. And I understand how that would upset a person - it means you possibly didn't win on your own merit (although, Trump doesn't have any).


Keep in mind - this is a counter intelligence investigation not criminal. He's looking into Russian interference into the 2016 election to include any involvement with Trump.
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Ibanez wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Why?
The congressional investigations are extremely partisan. Those are for show.

Mueller's investigation, even though it's heavy on democrats ( i think 11 of 16 people involved), is lead by expert's in their fields and has already acquired guilty plea's. They aren't coming up with falsehoods. They are exposing facts and have people close to Trump pleading guilty (and likely talking to avoid spending 10 years at Club Fed.)

1) You have a life-long Republican, bringing charges against other Republicans - that to me shows that he's not fucking around.

2) You have senior members of the GOP saying that Mueller's investigation must continue unimpeded and interference from Trump would be "the beginning of the end".

3) Read the appointment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 1/download. Those aren't 'hardened Democrats" mention giving authorizaiton for the investigation. It's men that are lifelong Republicans. One of whom has a history of standing up to Republicans and the other hand picked by Trump.


Did Trump knowingly "collude" with Russia? I wouldn't put it past him but I think he most likely benefited from the certain Russian involvement. And I understand how that would upset a person - it means you possibly didn't win on your own merit (although, Trump doesn't have any).


Keep in mind - this is a counter intelligence investigation not criminal. He's looking into Russian interference into the 2016 election to include any involvement with Trump.
That's a solid summary.
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Mueller's investigation is obviously far and away the most credible - but, still gotta add that I've been pretty impressed with the SSCI.

It's not even remotely close to as partisan as the House. I've been impressed by Burr. Maybe it would be different if he weren't retiring. But, I think the Senate overall just lends itself to cooler heads.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Mueller's investigation is obviously far and away the most credible - but, still gotta add that I've been pretty impressed with the SSCI.

It's not even remotely close to as partisan as the House. I've been impressed by Burr. Maybe it would be different if he weren't retiring. But, I think the Senate overall just lends itself to cooler heads.
Might have something to do with their longer terms. :kisswink:
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And that they're elected statewide and not safe, gerrymandered districts that reward partisanship and punish bipartisanship.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ller-probe
John Dowd resigned as Donald Trump’s lead attorney against Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe as the president’s impatience grows over the intensifying inquiry into possible collusion in the 2016 election.


His decision came after Trump decided to add a new high-profile lawyer, Joseph diGenova, to his legal team. A frequent guest on Fox News, diGenova has publicly attacked Mueller’s investigation and the FBI, saying he believes Trump was framed by Justice Department officials on a political vendetta.
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Ibanez wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ller-probe
John Dowd resigned as Donald Trump’s lead attorney against Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe as the president’s impatience grows over the intensifying inquiry into possible collusion in the 2016 election.


His decision came after Trump decided to add a new high-profile lawyer, Joseph diGenova, to his legal team. A frequent guest on Fox News, diGenova has publicly attacked Mueller’s investigation and the FBI, saying he believes Trump was framed by Justice Department officials on a political vendetta.

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I miss Kasowitz. Hoping he brings him back on.
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Word is that Dowd was cordial with the Mueller team. Trump didn't want cordial.
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93henfan wrote:Word is that Dowd was cordial with the Mueller team. Trump didn't want cordial.
Dowd also realized that he couldn't get his client to shut the f*ck up...

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Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:Word is that Dowd was cordial with the Mueller team. Trump didn't want cordial.
Dowd also realized that he couldn't get his client to shut the f*ck up...

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If he didn't realize from the get-go that that was never going to happen, that's on him. :lol:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Dowd also realized that he couldn't get his client to shut the f*ck up...

:nod:
If he didn't realize from the get-go that that was never going to happen, that's on him. :lol:
Top Dog lawyers have egos... (big ones)
I'm sure he was confident he could "manage the situation"

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Skjellyfetti wrote::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
“Trump’s lawyer...is a total retard”


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kalm wrote:
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“Trump’s lawyer...is a total retard”


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93henfan wrote:Word is that Dowd was cordial with the Mueller team. Trump didn't want cordial.
What’s the under on Dowd’s getting stiffed by Drumpf on his final bill? :?
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93henfan wrote:Word is that Dowd was cordial with the Mueller team. Trump didn't want cordial.
What’s the under on Dowd’s getting stiffed by Drumpf on his final bill? :?
Considering that in 2016 Cohen took out a $130k loan against his home to pay off Daniels and has YET to be paid back...i'd say the odds are pretty damn good.
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Ibanez wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
What’s the under on Dowd’s getting stiffed by Drumpf on his final bill? :?
Considering that in 2016 Cohen took out a $130k loan against his home to pay off Daniels and has YET to be paid back...i'd say the odds are pretty damn good.
Stiffing overpaid lawyers. More Trump comedy gold. :lol:
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93henfan wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Considering that in 2016 Cohen took out a $130k loan against his home to pay off Daniels and has YET to be paid back...i'd say the odds are pretty damn good.
Stiffing overpaid lawyers. More Trump comedy gold. :lol:
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Is this still a thread about colluding with Russian to defeat Hillary?
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I believe these are the officially designated parameters of the thread:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a); and

(iv) anything else anyone wants to discuss.

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I think it's anything we can blame the Russians for. And anything we can use to prove that the vast numbers of voters who voted for Trump are indeed the basket of irredeemable deplorables they were described to be and were in fact duped into voting for Trump because they were flat out stupid. That appears to be the general gist of the thread. Oh, and RUSSIANS!!!!!!
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gannon's posts are slowly devolving to a Trump tweet.
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