Actually, my Anglophile relative who was Wilson's Minister to the Court of St James had much more to do with our entry into that warIvytalk wrote:Hell, the Czar’s operatives meddled for Woody Wilson back in ‘16....we got into WWI less than a year later...SDHornet wrote: And that has what to do with Russia meddling in elections/our political system for the last 100 years?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/p ... leaks.htmlWASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee were behind the leak of private text messages between the Senate panel’s top Democrat and a Russian-connected lawyer, according to two congressional officials briefed on the matter.
Senator Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, the committee’s Republican chairman, and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat, were so perturbed by the leak that they demanded a rare meeting with Speaker Paul D. Ryan last month to inform him of their findings. They used the meeting with Mr. Ryan to raise broader concerns about the direction of the House Intelligence Committee under its chairman, Representative Devin Nunes of California, the officials said.
To the senators, who are overseeing what is effectively the last bipartisan investigation on Capitol Hill into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, the leak was a serious breach of protocol and a partisan attack by one intelligence committee against the other.
The text messages were leaked just days after the same House Republicans had taken the extraordinary step of publicly releasing, over the objections of the F.B.I., a widely disputed memorandum based on sensitive government secrets. Taken together, the actions suggested a pattern of partisanship and unilateral action by the once-bipartisan House panel.
Fox News published the text messages, which were sent via a secure messaging application, in early February. President Trump and other Republicans loyal to him quickly jumped on the report to try to discredit Mr. Warner, suggesting that the senator was acting surreptitiously to try to talk with the former British spy who assembled a dossier of salacious claims about connections between Mr. Trump, his associates and Russia.
“Wow! -Senator Mark Warner got caught having extensive contact with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch,” Mr. Trump wrote at the time. “Warner did not want a ‘paper trail’ on a ‘private’ meeting (in London) he requested with Steele of fraudulent Dossier fame.”
“All tied into Crooked Hillary,” Mr. Trump added.
The messages between Mr. Warner and Adam Waldman, a Washington lawyer, show that the senator tried for weeks to arrange a meeting with the former spy, Christopher Steele. The Senate committee has had difficulty making contact with Mr. Steele, whom it views as a key witness. And Mr. Waldman, who knew Mr. Steele, presented himself as a willing partner.
The Fox News article made prominent mention of work by Mr. Waldman’s Washington lobbying firm on behalf of Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate who was once close to Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s indicted former campaign chairman.
Copies of the messages were originally submitted by Mr. Waldman to the Senate committee. In January, one of Mr. Nunes’s staff members requested that copies be shared with the House committee as well, according to a person familiar with the request who was not authorized to talk about it publicly. Days later, the messages were published by Fox News, the person said. Fox’s report said that it had obtained the documents from a Republican source it did not name.
The documents published by Fox News appear to back up the senators’ accusation. Though they were marked “CONFIDENTIAL: Produced to USSSCI on a Confidential Basis,” suggesting that they had come from the Senate panel, known as the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the person familiar with the congressional requests said that the stamp was misleading and that other markings gave away their actual origin.
Specifically, the copy of the messages shared with the Senate was paginated, and the one submitted to the House — while preserving the reference to the Senate committee — was unpaginated.
A lawyer for Mr. Waldman independently concluded that the House committee had probably shared the document and sent a letter to Mr. Nunes complaining about the leak, according to a person familiar with the letter.
Mr. Burr appeared to make a veiled reference to the text messages during a public hearing with the heads of the government’s intelligence agencies last month.
Is this a good time for me to talk about how I hate gov leaks?Skjellyfetti wrote:This story gets more bizarre by the day.
HPSCI is a joke. They've successfully derailed their own investigation. Now, they're trying to derail the Senate's.
At this point, I think I'd be more satisfied if Mueller discovers crimes by Nunes than by Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/p ... leaks.htmlWASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee were behind the leak of private text messages between the Senate panel’s top Democrat and a Russian-connected lawyer, according to two congressional officials briefed on the matter.
Senator Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, the committee’s Republican chairman, and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat, were so perturbed by the leak that they demanded a rare meeting with Speaker Paul D. Ryan last month to inform him of their findings. They used the meeting with Mr. Ryan to raise broader concerns about the direction of the House Intelligence Committee under its chairman, Representative Devin Nunes of California, the officials said.
To the senators, who are overseeing what is effectively the last bipartisan investigation on Capitol Hill into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, the leak was a serious breach of protocol and a partisan attack by one intelligence committee against the other.
The text messages were leaked just days after the same House Republicans had taken the extraordinary step of publicly releasing, over the objections of the F.B.I., a widely disputed memorandum based on sensitive government secrets. Taken together, the actions suggested a pattern of partisanship and unilateral action by the once-bipartisan House panel.
Fox News published the text messages, which were sent via a secure messaging application, in early February. President Trump and other Republicans loyal to him quickly jumped on the report to try to discredit Mr. Warner, suggesting that the senator was acting surreptitiously to try to talk with the former British spy who assembled a dossier of salacious claims about connections between Mr. Trump, his associates and Russia.
“Wow! -Senator Mark Warner got caught having extensive contact with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch,” Mr. Trump wrote at the time. “Warner did not want a ‘paper trail’ on a ‘private’ meeting (in London) he requested with Steele of fraudulent Dossier fame.”
“All tied into Crooked Hillary,” Mr. Trump added.
The messages between Mr. Warner and Adam Waldman, a Washington lawyer, show that the senator tried for weeks to arrange a meeting with the former spy, Christopher Steele. The Senate committee has had difficulty making contact with Mr. Steele, whom it views as a key witness. And Mr. Waldman, who knew Mr. Steele, presented himself as a willing partner.
The Fox News article made prominent mention of work by Mr. Waldman’s Washington lobbying firm on behalf of Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate who was once close to Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s indicted former campaign chairman.
Copies of the messages were originally submitted by Mr. Waldman to the Senate committee. In January, one of Mr. Nunes’s staff members requested that copies be shared with the House committee as well, according to a person familiar with the request who was not authorized to talk about it publicly. Days later, the messages were published by Fox News, the person said. Fox’s report said that it had obtained the documents from a Republican source it did not name.
The documents published by Fox News appear to back up the senators’ accusation. Though they were marked “CONFIDENTIAL: Produced to USSSCI on a Confidential Basis,” suggesting that they had come from the Senate panel, known as the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the person familiar with the congressional requests said that the stamp was misleading and that other markings gave away their actual origin.
Specifically, the copy of the messages shared with the Senate was paginated, and the one submitted to the House — while preserving the reference to the Senate committee — was unpaginated.
A lawyer for Mr. Waldman independently concluded that the House committee had probably shared the document and sent a letter to Mr. Nunes complaining about the leak, according to a person familiar with the letter.
Mr. Burr appeared to make a veiled reference to the text messages during a public hearing with the heads of the government’s intelligence agencies last month.
Be quick about it, news cycles are terribly fast these days and he'll be on the other side of the issue tomorrow.CID1990 wrote:
Is this a good time for me to talk about how I hate gov leaks?
Since right now you think theyre bad too?
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KY and I could have a Kum Ba Yah momentGannonFan wrote:Be quick about it, news cycles are terribly fast these days and he'll be on the other side of the issue tomorrow.CID1990 wrote:
Is this a good time for me to talk about how I hate gov leaks?
Since right now you think theyre bad too?
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And why is Schiff's office a sieve again? I forgetSkjellyfetti wrote:I've defended whistleblowing. This wasn't exposing any wrongdoing. It was to undercut the Senate investigation.
Whatabout?CID1990 wrote: And why is Schiff's office a sieve again? I forget
You mean Schumer's texts that Nunes (R-Moscow) leaked?Skjellyfetti wrote:Whatabout?CID1990 wrote: And why is Schiff's office a sieve again? I forget
Maybe I haven't followed this as close as you... What has he leaked?
I guess Schiff is just a whistleblower. Or his staffers, actuallySkjellyfetti wrote:Whatabout?CID1990 wrote: And why is Schiff's office a sieve again? I forget
Maybe I haven't followed this as close as you... What has he leaked?
Skjellyfetti wrote:I'll ask again: What did Schiff leak?
Nothing I said had anything to do with the memos.Skjellyfetti wrote:Oh, you were talking about the memos. Well, I don't think of those as leaks. They went through a legal process of declassification.
I agree with you that the memo-gate was a shithow and should have never happened, though. But, they weren't leaks.
Sending a Senator's private text messages to Fox News in an effort to discredit the Congressional investigation that maintains credibility is pretty **** different.
That was revealed in his memo. No?Schiff claiming things like the FISA court was made aware of the source of the "dossier" - which nobody is authorized to divulge.
I was being facetious, but I guess you missed that.CID1990 wrote:Actually, my Anglophile relative who was Wilson's Minister to the Court of St James had much more to do with our entry into that warIvytalk wrote: Hell, the Czar’s operatives meddled for Woody Wilson back in ‘16....we got into WWI less than a year later...
Back then it was the Brits meddling in our politics
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I got it - I was just name dropping a relativeIvytalk wrote:I was being facetious, but I guess you missed that.CID1990 wrote:
Actually, my Anglophile relative who was Wilson's Minister to the Court of St James had much more to do with our entry into that war
Back then it was the Brits meddling in our politics
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You don’t have to worry about your foreign policy street cred.
I haven't read the memos. Schiff said it out loud. If it's also in the memo it doesn't matter - it was a leak of the factual basis of the warrant, which is still classified (for some odd reason)Skjellyfetti wrote:That was revealed in his memo. No?Schiff claiming things like the FISA court was made aware of the source of the "dossier" - which nobody is authorized to divulge.
We're going to see things like this almost monthly. Some of it will be coincidental, and some of it is going to be companies connected to Trump trying to lean on that connection for favorable treatment.
Yeah... you're gonna lose that one, imo.kalm wrote:This shit is dragging on way too long. I have a $100 bet with a conk buddy that Trump would be out of office in one year from last August 18th.
Hurry the fuck up!