Breaking: Active Shooter HS Broward Co, FL

[Col Hogan]

Latest poll...shows increase support in allowing teachers who volunteer and get training to be armed...

[BDKJMU]

https://morningconsult.com/2018/02/28/f ... -with-nra/

[houndawg]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teach ... -with-gun/

$100 this guy is a leftie trying to prove a point.

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

[AZGrizFan]

$100 this guy is a leftie trying to prove a point.

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

Please point out a single instance of school shooting where the cops arrived before the shooter had either a) departed the premise or b) departed this earth.

[houndawg]

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

Please point out a single instance of school shooting where the cops arrived before the shooter had either a) departed the premise or b) departed this earth.

Apparently there was at least one deputy on the scene the whole time at Parkland and maybe as many as four. He was apparently less than enthusiastic about taking on an AR with his squirt gun.

I don't blame him for saving his ass and retiring, he probably has kids too. The whole nation is turning into a Cormac McCarthy book like No Country for Old Men.

Give it ten more years and it will be like Blood Meridian....

[Gil Dobie]

$100 this guy is a leftie trying to prove a point.

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

The cops should know who the people in the school are that carry, prior to any shooting event. If you have a limited number of well trained teachers/school marshals, that train with and are in regular communication with the police, that would make things more organized. If a teacher does not want to carry, or has a sketchy background, by all means don't force them to carry.

This is just one possible solution, or maybe part of a solution.

[andy7171]

From what I have read, the Sheriff department was involved in a "no-arrest" policy with the school. It is certainly looking more and more like a stand down was ordered, especially with 4 on the scene. And all still remained outside after the police entered. Something stinks bad.

And a lunatic teenager, semi-deaf from spraying bullets at anything that moves in front of him, looking to kill as many as possible, would be semi-easy to sneak up on and put two in his head from behind with a handgun.

[houndawg]

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

The cops should know who the people in the school are that carry, prior to any shooting event. If you have a limited number of well trained teachers/school marshals, that train with and are in regular communication with the police, that would make things more organized. If a teacher does not want to carry, or has a sketchy background, by all means don't force them to carry.

This is just one possible solution, or maybe part of a solution.

If they have a sketchy background why are they teaching our kids? Stupidest idea in a year of stupid.

Cops and teachers change jobs all the time, they won't know who is legit, and if you're holding a gun you're probably going to die.

[houndawg]

From what I have read, the Sheriff department was involved in a "no-arrest" policy with the school. It is certainly looking more and more like a stand down was ordered, especially with 4 on the scene. And all still remained outside after the police entered. Something stinks bad.

And a lunatic teenager, semi-deaf from spraying bullets at anything that moves in front of him, looking to kill as many as possible, would be semi-easy to sneak up on and put two in his head from behind with a handgun.

The amount of shit you are full of truly defies description.

[Gil Dobie]

The cops should know who the people in the school are that carry, prior to any shooting event. If you have a limited number of well trained teachers/school marshals, that train with and are in regular communication with the police, that would make things more organized. If a teacher does not want to carry, or has a sketchy background, by all means don't force them to carry.

This is just one possible solution, or maybe part of a solution.

If they have a sketchy background why are they teaching our kids? Stupidest idea in a year of stupid.

They teacher that just fired the shot in Georgia had left messages that he was going to hurt himself or someone else. This was ignored and he came back to school the next day and the rest is history.

Sketchy is a relative term. I'm not referring to just sexual perps, murderers, drug dealers. I'm referring to one's that may want to carry, but are not one's that should carry. These teachers may be weeded out during proper training, pass/fail, or by a selection process. Remember, I'm not condoning all teachers should carry, only a select few, that will be great choices.

[Gil Dobie]

The cops should know who the people in the school are that carry, prior to any shooting event. If you have a limited number of well trained teachers/school marshals, that train with and are in regular communication with the police, that would make things more organized. If a teacher does not want to carry, or has a sketchy background, by all means don't force them to carry.

This is just one possible solution, or maybe part of a solution.

If they have a sketchy background why are they teaching our kids? Stupidest idea in a year of stupid.

Cops and teachers change jobs all the time, they won't know who is legit, and if you're holding a gun you're probably going to die.

There should be a list with photos for each school, available for all police to access. It's not rocket science if there is a limited number of teachers that carry and they communicate with police.

[kalm]

If they have a sketchy background why are they teaching our kids? Stupidest idea in a year of stupid.

Cops and teachers change jobs all the time, they won't know who is legit, and if you're holding a gun you're probably going to die.

There should be a list with photos for each school, available for all police to access. It's not rocket science if there is a limited number of teachers that carry and they communicate with police.

How chaotic is the hallway in these situations? Do the cops have time to compare a photo to the armed, plain clothed dude just down the hall? Maybe they don a bright orange piece of clothing or hat for identity.

It just seems like a dumb idea on the surface.

[Gil Dobie]

There should be a list with photos for each school, available for all police to access. It's not rocket science if there is a limited number of teachers that carry and they communicate with police.

How chaotic is the hallway in these situations? Do the cops have time to compare a photo to the armed, plain clothed dude just down the hall? Maybe they don a bright orange piece of clothing or hat for identity.

It just seems like a dumb idea on the surface.

Maybe the cops know them personally from training, and maybe just 2-3 teachers carry in a school. Would you rather wait for gun laws to change or be pro-active in protecting kids in schools. You shoot down everything I've suggested, metal detectors, having a few well trained teachers/school marshals in a school. Some school already have these and they work if applied properly.

What is your idea for a solution?

I had to add the 2-3 because I'm thinking you guys are assuming 20-30 teachers carry, which is dumb.

[CID1990]

My experience with schools as a former cop who spent time at schools is that arming teachers is a bad idea

1) 3/4ths of them are not gun people

2) an overlapping 1/8th of them are morons

3) 6.93% of them would shoot themselves accidentally in homeroom

Teachers arent airline pilots (a good percentage of pilots are military)... think of the goofiest idiot you were in college with .... she's a teacher now

At the end of the day, we want our teachers to be a combination of Carl Sagan and Mr. Rogers. That guy shouldn't be carrying a heater, and he would refuse to anyway


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[houndawg]

If they have a sketchy background why are they teaching our kids? Stupidest idea in a year of stupid.

They teacher that just fired the shot in Georgia had left messages that he was going to hurt himself or someone else. This was ignored and he came back to school the next day and the rest is history.

Sketchy is a relative term. I'm not referring to just sexual perps, murderers, drug dealers. I'm referring to one's that may want to carry, but are not one's that should carry. These teachers may be weeded out during proper training, pass/fail, or by a selection process. Remember, I'm not condoning all teachers should carry, only a select few, that will be great choices.

There were already armed personnel at the scene when it went down. Armed teachers won't contribute anything but a cross-fire. Plus teachers are union thug lefties, haven't you heard?

Some of you people just don't get that packing heat is not something to do at the hobby/enthusiast level and that there are not enough hours available to a teacher outside of work to achieve and maintain the proficiency levels I would want people to have that are armed in a crowded area. At this rate it will be necessary to include semi-autos in the same classification as machine guns.

[kalm]

How chaotic is the hallway in these situations? Do the cops have time to compare a photo to the armed, plain clothed dude just down the hall? Maybe they don a bright orange piece of clothing or hat for identity.

It just seems like a dumb idea on the surface.

Maybe the cops know them personally from training, and maybe just 2-3 teachers carry in a school. Would you rather wait for gun laws to change or be pro-active in protecting kids in schools. You shoot down everything I've suggested, metal detectors, having a few well trained teachers/school marshals in a school. Some school already have these and they work if applied properly.

What is your idea for a solution?

I had to add the 2-3 because I'm thinking you guys are assuming 20-30 teachers carry, which is dumb.

Gil, I don't remember shooting down everything you've suggested but if I have I apologize.

I'm not dead against arming select teachers, just asking questions. Like I said, it would just seem that the chaos created in the situation might add to the problem hence the idea of some sort of identifying clothing they could quick throw on might help. I'm also curious what the plan is once shit goes down. Does the armed teacher stay in the classroom, barricade the door, and take up a defensive position, or do they go out into the battle and try to take out the shooter(s)?

I think increasing police presence and eventually secured entrances and checkpoints with metal detectors and such will probably happen.

[Gil Dobie]

My experience with schools as a former cop who spent time at schools is that arming teachers is a bad idea

1) 3/4ths of them are not gun people

2) an overlapping 1/8th of them are morons

3) 6.93% of them would shoot themselves accidentally in homeroom

Teachers arent airline pilots (a good percentage of pilots are military)... think of the goofiest idiot you were in college with .... she's a teacher now

At the end of the day, we want our teachers to be a combination of Carl Sagan and Mr. Rogers. That guy shouldn't be carrying a heater, and he would refuse to anyway


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I know a teacher that was a military pilot and they support having a select few carry, not the Carl Sagan's or Mr Rogers types. We ran them out of the class room in High School. I don't know how many teachers we had that left the classroom crying. The other teachers, that we actually respected and feared would have been good candidates to be the 1 or 2 candidates. There are some good teachers out there.

[Ibanez]

That was the first thing I thought too actually. Regardless it does beg the question when the subject is arming teachers: What happens when teacher goes postal?

The other fatal flaw is what Ibanez pointed out about the cops arriving and there are multiple armed civilians around - recipe for disaster. How would you like to be a black teacher holding a pistol when the police roll up? If you hurried you might have just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

The cops should know who the people in the school are that carry, prior to any shooting event. If you have a limited number of well trained teachers/school marshals, that train with and are in regular communication with the police, that would make things more organized. If a teacher does not want to carry, or has a sketchy background, by all means don't force them to carry.

This is just one possible solution, or maybe part of a solution.

Is that reasonable? Require police to memorize which teachers are armed at which schools?

For example, there are 176 schools in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school district. Say you have 2-3 armed teachers, That's 352-528 people that a cop is going to have to remember - in the remote possibility that there's a school shooting. At a minimum you have close to 200 armed people in the school district. I have a pretty damn good memory - I doubt I would be able to show up at Alexander Graham Bell Elementary and remember/recognize which teachers are packing.


There's just a lot of room for human error.

[houndawg]

There should be a list with photos for each school, available for all police to access. It's not rocket science if there is a limited number of teachers that carry and they communicate with police.

How chaotic is the hallway in these situations? Do the cops have time to compare a photo to the armed, plain clothed dude just down the hall? Maybe they don a bright orange piece of clothing or hat for identity.

It just seems like a dumb idea on the surface.

A thousand faces in the school and you're going to memorize who has the guns while Andy tippytoes up behind the perp and puts two in his head.

[Ibanez]

My experience with schools as a former cop who spent time at schools is that arming teachers is a bad idea

1) 3/4ths of them are not gun people

2) an overlapping 1/8th of them are morons

3) 6.93% of them would shoot themselves accidentally in homeroom

Teachers arent airline pilots (a good percentage of pilots are military)... think of the goofiest idiot you were in college with .... she's a teacher now

At the end of the day, we want our teachers to be a combination of Carl Sagan and Mr. Rogers. That guy shouldn't be carrying a heater, and he would refuse to anyway


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I know a teacher that was a military pilot and they support having a select few carry, not the Carl Sagan's or Mr Rogers types. We ran them out of the class room in High School. I don't know how many teachers we had that left the classroom crying. The other teachers, that we actually respected and feared would have been good candidates to be the 1 or 2 candidates. There are some good teachers out there.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Gil Dobie]

They teacher that just fired the shot in Georgia had left messages that he was going to hurt himself or someone else. This was ignored and he came back to school the next day and the rest is history.

Sketchy is a relative term. I'm not referring to just sexual perps, murderers, drug dealers. I'm referring to one's that may want to carry, but are not one's that should carry. These teachers may be weeded out during proper training, pass/fail, or by a selection process. Remember, I'm not condoning all teachers should carry, only a select few, that will be great choices.

There were already armed personnel at the scene when it went down. Armed teachers won't contribute anything but a cross-fire. Plus teachers are union thug lefties, haven't you heard?

Some of you people just don't get that packing heat is not something to do at the hobby/enthusiast level and that there are not enough hours available to a teacher outside of work to achieve and maintain the proficiency levels I would want people to have that are armed in a crowded area. At this rate it will be necessary to include semi-autos in the same classification as machine guns.

I'm not talking hobby enthusiast, I'm talking legit trained by the police that would come to the school. My mom was a teacher and basketball coach. I know how much time a teacher has to train. Many have 2nd jobs.

I would not include semi-automatic rifles, only hand-guns. Again, legit, trained by police, 1-3 depending on size of school. And again, not the only option. Add metal detection at doors.

[kalm]

My experience with schools as a former cop who spent time at schools is that arming teachers is a bad idea

1) 3/4ths of them are not gun people

2) an overlapping 1/8th of them are morons

3) 6.93% of them would shoot themselves accidentally in homeroom

Teachers arent airline pilots (a good percentage of pilots are military)... think of the goofiest idiot you were in college with .... she's a teacher now

At the end of the day, we want our teachers to be a combination of Carl Sagan and Mr. Rogers. That guy shouldn't be carrying a heater, and he would refuse to anyway


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I know a teacher that was a military pilot and they support having a select few carry, not the Carl Sagan's or Mr Rogers types. We ran them out of the class room in High School. I don't know how many teachers we had that left the classroom crying. The other teachers, that we actually respected and feared would have been good candidates to be the 1 or 2 candidates. There are some good teachers out there.

But the Carl Sagan's and Mr Rogers types make good teachers.

[Gil Dobie]

I know a teacher that was a military pilot and they support having a select few carry, not the Carl Sagan's or Mr Rogers types. We ran them out of the class room in High School. I don't know how many teachers we had that left the classroom crying. The other teachers, that we actually respected and feared would have been good candidates to be the 1 or 2 candidates. There are some good teachers out there.

What the hell are you talking about?

We were not a nice high school class. 22 students acting terrible, making an emotional teacher leave the classroom crying. Get it?

[Gil Dobie]

I know a teacher that was a military pilot and they support having a select few carry, not the Carl Sagan's or Mr Rogers types. We ran them out of the class room in High School. I don't know how many teachers we had that left the classroom crying. The other teachers, that we actually respected and feared would have been good candidates to be the 1 or 2 candidates. There are some good teachers out there.

But the Carl Sagan's and Mr Rogers types make good teachers.

Might listen to Sagen, but not Rogers.

[Gil Dobie]

How chaotic is the hallway in these situations? Do the cops have time to compare a photo to the armed, plain clothed dude just down the hall? Maybe they don a bright orange piece of clothing or hat for identity.

It just seems like a dumb idea on the surface.

A thousand faces in the school and you're going to memorize who has the guns while Andy tippytoes up behind the perp and puts two in his head.

Ever heard of training with police and being friends with those police train with and continue to upgrade your training? Also with today's technology, you can easily have an app the would bring up the 1-3 people in the school that can carry on your police ipad or whatever they use in the squad car.

What's your solution?