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[Ibanez]

I hope so

Don’t get your hopes up. That whole crew are a bunch of Hillary donors.


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probably.......not

[Skjellyfetti]

Now we know why there was such an effort to change the subject last week.

Look at the timeline of Trump's "Obama wiretapped me!!" and Nunes's "unmasking" stories.


Manafort and Rick Gates first on the chopping block.

[CID1990]

Money laundering. We'll see why he was laundering money eh?


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[kalm]

I thought it was just going to be Flynn and a big nothing burger?

[Pwns]

So the biggest fish is the guy who was removed from the campaign when this stuff came to light this past summer. Not impressed so far.

[CID1990]

I thought it was just going to be Flynn and a big nothing burger?

We're still well inside that envelope, Klamjelly

Let's see what the money laundering is all about

And take note that the indictment is going to be unsealed almost immediately


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[Baldy]

I thought it was just going to be Flynn and a big nothing burger?

We're still well inside that envelope, Klamjelly

Let's see what the money laundering is all about

And take note that the indictment is going to be unsealed almost immediately


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I lol'd.

[GannonFan]

So right now the guy indicted is the guy that was on the campaign for about 2-3 months and was immediately fired from that campaign when his past (i.e. before this campaign) financial indiscretions came to light and has been known pretty much since then that he was likely to be charged with crimes related to those known indiscrections? Was there any doubt that Manafort was going to be indicted (and Page I guess since he ran stuff for Manafort)? We know Flynn is going to be indicted as well. When is the real news going to come out - either there are people to indict beyond these three who everyone agrees should be indicted, or that Mueller is going to close up shop? Manafort could've been indicted last summer (2016 summer) based on what we knew. When are we going to get to the good stuff in terms of indictments or lack of them?

[kalm]

So right now the guy indicted is the guy that was on the campaign for about 2-3 months and was immediately fired from that campaign when his past (i.e. before this campaign) financial indiscretions came to light and has been known pretty much since then that he was likely to be charged with crimes related to those known indiscrections? Was there any doubt that Manafort was going to be indicted (and Page I guess since he ran stuff for Manafort)? We know Flynn is going to be indicted as well. When is the real news going to come out - either there are people to indict beyond these three who everyone agrees should be indicted, or that Mueller is going to close up shop? Manafort could've been indicted last summer (2016 summer) based on what we knew. When are we going to get to the good stuff in terms of indictments or lack of them?

Manafort was a presidential campaign director. Nice job of vetting by the Trumps. Who knew?

[GannonFan]

So right now the guy indicted is the guy that was on the campaign for about 2-3 months and was immediately fired from that campaign when his past (i.e. before this campaign) financial indiscretions came to light and has been known pretty much since then that he was likely to be charged with crimes related to those known indiscrections? Was there any doubt that Manafort was going to be indicted (and Page I guess since he ran stuff for Manafort)? We know Flynn is going to be indicted as well. When is the real news going to come out - either there are people to indict beyond these three who everyone agrees should be indicted, or that Mueller is going to close up shop? Manafort could've been indicted last summer (2016 summer) based on what we knew. When are we going to get to the good stuff in terms of indictments or lack of them?

Manafort was a presidential campaign director. Nice job of vetting by the Trumps. Who knew?

That's what they do - they're bumblers. Trump has been and always will be a buffoon. Heck, the Flynn indictment is something they just walked into as well - everyone, even Obama, said not to hire Flynn and that he was a bad hombre, and they still brought him on anyway. Does it rise to the level of a crime or collusion? Haven't seen evidence of that yet, and the closest thing to collusion oddly enough has been the Steele dossier that was funded by everyone opposed to Trump. Ironic no doubt.

[∞∞∞]

Trump will likely get charged for shady financial dealings, not collusion. If it comes down to it, hopefully he doesn't resign, doesn't turn himself in, and the FBI storms the White House...

...that would be entertaining.

[Chizzang]

Trump will likely get charged for shady financial dealings, not collusion. If it comes down to it, hopefully he doesn't resign, doesn't turn himself in, and the FBI storms the White House...

...that would be entertaining.

Trump isn't going anywhere



other than Mira Lago

[∞∞∞]

Trump will likely get charged for shady financial dealings, not collusion. If it comes down to it, hopefully he doesn't resign, doesn't turn himself in, and the FBI storms the White House...

...that would be entertaining.

Trump isn't going anywhere



other than Mira Lago

Likely, and I'm ok with that. For someone who's known to thirst for admiration and affection his entire life, I find it fitting that history will be unkind to him; that's enough for me.

[Chizzang]

Trump isn't going anywhere



other than Mira Lago

Likely, and I'm ok with that. For someone who's known to thirst for admiration and affection his entire life, I find it fitting that history will be unkind to him; that's enough for me.

History is usually written by the winners...
Please stand by


I'll show myself out

[Skjellyfetti]

So right now the guy indicted is the guy that was on the campaign for about 2-3 months

He was on the campaign for 6 months. (March to August). Longer than Pence, for example. But, the attempt to minimize his roll on the campaign is noted.

Was there any doubt that Manafort was going to be indicted (and Page I guess since he ran stuff for Manafort)? We know Flynn is going to be indicted as well. When is the real news going to come out - either there are people to indict beyond these three who everyone agrees should be indicted, or that Mueller is going to close up shop? Manafort could've been indicted last summer (2016 summer) based on what we knew. When are we going to get to the good stuff in terms of indictments or lack of them?

Well, there have been two others indicted outside of your list: George Papadopoulas and Rick Gates.

But, be patient! These things take forever. Mueller's actually moving fairly quickly.

[Pwns]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... obe-244314

Hhhhmmmmmm....

[CID1990]

I wake up this morning to an indictment about.... lots of things not really related to colluding with Russians throwing elections

And I went to bed thinking there was a peculiar money laundering charge in there .... I actually thought for a second there that Mueller's team had successfully dug something out about a money trail between Russian provocateurs and campaign people

even I'M disappointed

These charges are about leverage (if there's a body, Manafort knows where it is) and making a show (for the Jellies of the world)

Somebody on here said about a thousand posts back that Mueller was going to get a couple of these sleazy business guys on their taxes and financial dealings. You want to go back and see who that was, Jelly? I forget


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[Skjellyfetti]

Since you're trying to toot your own horn re: money laundering.


I had been harping on FinCEN and money laundering since the Spring.

Well, I think there's very little chance at all that Trump is charged with anything. Can't indict a sitting president, Pence will pardon if he resigns or is (very unlikely) impeached and convicted. The wildcard here is Schneiderman since only federal charges can be pardoned.

And, I've said this whole damn thread that coordination also isn't very likely. It would be difficult to prove and if it happened, it may have been "unwitting" could also take many different forms - RICO, money laundering, etc.

If Mueller ends his investigation and finds nothing - I'll certainly have an egg on my face.

In the Spring... you were saying it was going to be Flynn and a couple of other guys for failing to register under FARA

All the pieces of the puzzle are out there for anyone who cares to look at them logically-

A few guys- Flynn for sure- are going to be in trouble for non-declaration, and there isn't going to be anything after that.

It is going to be very disappointing for some folks in a few months

[CID1990]

Since you're trying to toot your own horn re: money laundering.


I had been harping on FinCEN and money laundering since the Spring.

Well, I think there's very little chance at all that Trump is charged with anything. Can't indict a sitting president, Pence will pardon if he resigns or is (very unlikely) impeached and convicted. The wildcard here is Schneiderman since only federal charges can be pardoned.

And, I've said this whole damn thread that coordination also isn't very likely. It would be difficult to prove and if it happened, it may have been "unwitting" could also take many different forms - RICO, money laundering, etc.

If Mueller ends his investigation and finds nothing - I'll certainly have an egg on my face.

In the Spring... you were saying it was going to be Flynn and a couple of other guys for failing to register under FARA

All the pieces of the puzzle are out there for anyone who cares to look at them logically-

A few guys- Flynn for sure- are going to be in trouble for non-declaration, and there isn't going to be anything after that.

It is going to be very disappointing for some folks in a few months

Where was I wrong, Jelly?

Flynn is still on the hook (there's more indictments on deck as we speak) and Manafort, et al fall within the range of "a few others"

Do better. I was hoping on more quotes. C minus


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[Skjellyfetti]

Manafort is in a hell of a lot more stink than FARA non-declaration.

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Mueller team today on Papadopoulos' guilty-plea (which is the bigger deal of today's news):

"There's a large scale ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part."

Love it.

[houndawg]

I wake up this morning to an indictment about.... lots of things not really related to colluding with Russians throwing elections

And I went to bed thinking there was a peculiar money laundering charge in there .... I actually thought for a second there that Mueller's team had successfully dug something out about a money trail between Russian provocateurs and campaign people

even I'M disappointed

These charges are about leverage (if there's a body, Manafort knows where it is) and making a show (for the Jellies of the world)

Somebody on here said about a thousand posts back that Mueller was going to get a couple of these sleazy business guys on their taxes and financial dealings. You want to go back and see who that was, Jelly? I forget


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yeah who was it that said that the real issue is laundering money for the Russian mob.....?

[CID1990]

I wake up this morning to an indictment about.... lots of things not really related to colluding with Russians throwing elections

And I went to bed thinking there was a peculiar money laundering charge in there .... I actually thought for a second there that Mueller's team had successfully dug something out about a money trail between Russian provocateurs and campaign people

even I'M disappointed

These charges are about leverage (if there's a body, Manafort knows where it is) and making a show (for the Jellies of the world)

Somebody on here said about a thousand posts back that Mueller was going to get a couple of these sleazy business guys on their taxes and financial dealings. You want to go back and see who that was, Jelly? I forget


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yeah who was it that said that the real issue is laundering money for the Russian mob.....?

You?

I don't remember

I leave research of those things to my Staff Assistant (Mr. Jelly)


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[CID1990]

Mueller team today on Papadopoulos' guilty-plea (which is the bigger deal of today's news):

"There's a large scale ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part."

Love it.

I don't think Papadopoulos is going to wind up being much of a player. He's a young guy, a hanger-on who worked for Dr whats his name before moving over to Trump. I doubt very seriously he enjoyed the amount of trust from the Trump camp to be made the cutout for the Russians.

Once again there's a lot of smoke, with the usual hopeful hoopla from the media, but very little substance.

I've also seen MANY lying to fed investigators indictments, and this one is a but unique in that their "should have known" element of the charge is quite a reach

The guy the Trump camp needs to worry about isnt this guy or Manafort, but that third guy they indicted. He was high up, and had much longer access to the inner circle than Manafort.


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[Chizzang]

Mueller team today on Papadopoulos' guilty-plea (which is the bigger deal of today's news):

"There's a large scale ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part."

Love it.

I don't think Papadopoulos is going to wind up being much of a player. He's a young guy, a hanger-on who worked for Dr whats his name before moving over to Trump. I doubt very seriously he enjoyed the amount of trust from the Trump camp to be made the cutout for the Russians.

Once again there's a lot of smoke, with the usual hopeful hoopla from the media, but very little substance.

I've also seen MANY lying to fed investigators indictments, and this one is a but unique in that their "should have known" element of the charge is quite a reach

The guy the Trump camp needs to worry about isnt this guy or Manafort, but that third guy they indicted. He was high up, and had much longer access to the inner circle than Manafort.

When should I go grab my pitchfork..?