Colin Kaepernick

[mrklean]

MERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrklean]

Well well well

See how this works?

When a symbol or gesture you respect gets its meaning twisted by the mob

Suddenly it doesnt matter what that gesture means to YOU - others will define it FOR you




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I see protest as American. As a vet, I don't see this as a disrespect. This is very American. Until all men and women are treated equal, continue to protest. Demand that America keep its original promise.

[BDKJMU]

I see protest as American. As a vet, I don't see this as a disrespect. This is very American. Until all men and women are treated equal, continue to protest. Demand that America keep its original promise.

Protest on YOUR OWN TIME. Yes.

AT WORK IN UNIFORM there is no freedom of speech..

[BDKJMU]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

[Skjellyfetti]

I see protest as American. As a vet, I don't see this as a disrespect. This is very American. Until all men and women are treated equal, continue to protest. Demand that America keep its original promise.

Protest on YOUR OWN TIME. Yes.

AT WORK IN UNIFORM there is no freedom of speech..

And, the owners aren't firing all the guys that kneel.

It's the President telling owners to fire them that is fucked.

[Skjellyfetti]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

Yeah, and close the gates 15 minutes before the anthem so all the tailgaters don't linger in the lots and disrespect the flag

[Skjellyfetti]

He said very clearly that he was kneeling to protest something in the country that the flag stood for and would be doing so until it was fixed and it (the country and/or flag) warranted standing at attention for yet again. That's why.

And Eric Reid says they deliberately chose kneeling instead of sitting or other means because it is respectful.

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.

It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/o ... oogle.com/

[kalm]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

Yes...force unity and conformity at all costs...

[CID1990]

I see protest as American. As a vet, I don't see this as a disrespect. This is very American. Until all men and women are treated equal, continue to protest. Demand that America keep its original promise.

You're missing the point

YOU don't get to call the shots on what the protests are all about because the majority disagrees with you

The protests are about the flag and the anthem - because the majority and the media say so

Now why don't you stop, take a deep breath, and think about that for a minute... in the larger context

[CID1990]

LAWL

"Frontbutt McBacktitties"

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/09/2 ... fl-selfie/

A snarky compendium of replies to Michael Moore's Kaepernick tweet

Oh, and "They aren't going to pick you."

[houndawg]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

The owners haven't forgotten what happened the last time the talent pool was diluted

[houndawg]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

Nobody is protesting the anthem written by a slave-owning lawyer set to the tune of an English drinking song.

[mrklean]

I see protest as American. As a vet, I don't see this as a disrespect. This is very American. Until all men and women are treated equal, continue to protest. Demand that America keep its original promise.

You're missing the point

YOU don't get to call the shots on what the protests are all about because the majority disagrees with you

The protests are about the flag and the anthem - because the majority and the media say so

Now why don't you stop, take a deep breath, and think about that for a minute... in the larger context

The protest are about the injustice in the American Criminal Justice system. They have a right to protest about this matter.

[Gil Dobie]

You're missing the point

YOU don't get to call the shots on what the protests are all about because the majority disagrees with you

The protests are about the flag and the anthem - because the majority and the media say so

Now why don't you stop, take a deep breath, and think about that for a minute... in the larger context

The protest are about the injustice in the American Criminal Justice system. They have a right to protest about this matter.

The players boycotting the games would send the message.

[mrklean]

The protest are about the injustice in the American Criminal Justice system. They have a right to protest about this matter.

The players boycotting the games would send the message.

Could you image all of the Black College and NFL Football players boycotting a entire weekend of play. That would get their attention big time.

[89Hen]

He said very clearly that he was kneeling to protest something in the country that the flag stood for and would be doing so until it was fixed and it (the country and/or flag) warranted standing at attention for yet again. That's why.

And Eric Reid says they deliberately chose kneeling instead of sitting or other means because it is respectful.

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.

It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/o ... oogle.com/

Kneeling is respectful, when it comes to prayer, when a player in injured on the field, things like that. Kneeling during the anthem is not respectful. Period. It's not even up for debate.

BTW, just read what Cowboys did last night. THAT is the correct way to do this and should satisfy everyone.

[Gil Dobie]

The players boycotting the games would send the message.

Could you image all of the Black College and NFL Football players boycotting a entire weekend of play. That would get their attention big time.

That would send a message.

[CID1990]

You're missing the point

YOU don't get to call the shots on what the protests are all about because the majority disagrees with you

The protests are about the flag and the anthem - because the majority and the media say so

Now why don't you stop, take a deep breath, and think about that for a minute... in the larger context

The protest are about the injustice in the American Criminal Justice system. They have a right to protest about this matter.

Klein

I never said they didn't

You are missing the point - the mob has allowed it to be about the flag - and therefore it is

You don't get to question the mob

Just look on your Facebook feed - all the people clamoring, saying it is about the justice system

Then flip on any news program of your choice - and watch what it's about

[mrklean]

And Eric Reid says they deliberately chose kneeling instead of sitting or other means because it is respectful.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/o ... oogle.com/

Kneeling is respectful, when it comes to prayer, when a player in injured on the field, things like that. Kneeling during the anthem is not respectful. Period. It's not even up for debate.

BTW, just read what Cowboys did last night. THAT is the correct way to do this and should satisfy everyone.

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017. We should be better than this. If you want to make America Great Again, demand her to be better and live up to her original promise.

[89Hen]

Kneeling is respectful, when it comes to prayer, when a player in injured on the field, things like that. Kneeling during the anthem is not respectful. Period. It's not even up for debate.

BTW, just read what Cowboys did last night. THAT is the correct way to do this and should satisfy everyone.

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017. We should be better than this. If you want to make America Great Again, demand her to be better and live up to her original promise.

If it's not about the flag, why do it during the tribute to the flag You just keep missing the point Klean.

[Grizalltheway]

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017. We should be better than this. If you want to make America Great Again, demand her to be better and live up to her original promise.

If it's not about the flag, why do it during the tribute to the flag You just keep missing the point Klean.

The flag symbolizes the country. The players doing it have an issue with the country. It's not rocket surgery, Hen.

[mrklean]

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017. We should be better than this. If you want to make America Great Again, demand her to be better and live up to her original promise.

If it's not about the flag, why do it during the tribute to the flag You just keep missing the point Klean.

You are the one who is missing the point. For over 6 years, we have seen unarmed black men killed by police and nothing has been done about it. My grandfather who was a WWII Army Combat Vet came back to Georgia and could not vote. Now THIS is a disrespectful to the flag. Paying taxes but now being able to vote is disrespectful to the flag. Letting Police become Judge, Jury and Executioner is very disrespectful to the flag.

[GannonFan]

My whole take on this;

- the reason to protest (racial inequality, including deadly outcomes with police) is very valid and everyone should be concerned about that enough to demand change.
- If someone was so willing to protest it by doing something during a national anthem, then by all means they should go ahead and do that - we are a free country and you can't be hauled into jail for doing so.
- The better place to protest this would be not during the actual national anthem, especially with the big flag draped across the field normally held by veterans, current armed services members, family of fallen armed service members, first responders, etc. Pre and post game interviews would be a better spot (heck, you could even articulate your protest in those cases rather than silently doing it during the anthem), going out and protesting on the front lives with BLM marchers and the such would be better, organizing a march yourself of fellow NFL players to a place of government would be better.
- Employment in the NFL is governed by the collective bargaining agreement between management and the players. If someone was going to be fired over something, it needs to be spelled out there. If an owner had the right to fire someone for kneeling during the anthem, then he could do that and be justified in doing it. With that said, the same owner would have to deal with the justified reaction from other players and the public if he did such a thing. But the right to free speech (whether to protest or to react to a protest) does not protect you from the consequences of that free speech.
- Trump is like gasoline on a fire. In pretty much everything. Of course, that's why many people actually did vote for him. What he did and said was not Presidential, but almost everything he does and says is not Presidential. If you think you have to contest everything he says and does for fear of it being normalized if you don't, well, more power to you. Trump is following a tide, he's not a trail blazer himself. I think we've lost that normalization battle long before he came along. I blame message boards like these, Twitter, and newspaper comment sections - when people think they can say anything they want and send it into the void without repercussions, then this is what we devolve to.
- With all that said, I detest pro athletes getting sanctimonious and preachy about stuff, especially in and around the game itself (i.e. not on off days). It reminds me of the pro athletes that, post 9/11, didn't want to start playing games "too soon" after, and we went almost two weeks before a baseball game was played again and an NFL game as well. I had to listen to athletes tell us we had to heal as a nation before getting back to work. The irony was that most working America was back to work on 9/12, and everyday after that while the pro athletes were "healing".
- So in the end, I don't care for the protesting to be done during the anthem, but I know and appreciate they have the right to do so and the cause they are protesting for (racial inequality and violence by police) is a justified cause to protest for. Oh, and I wish the NFL shows would just get around to showing the game highlights - I had to wait 20-25 minutes to get through everyone analyzing the kneeling or not kneeling before I could see football highlights on Sunday night football last night.
- Oh, and Kaepernick isn't a very good QB - that's why he's unemployed. You could make an argument for him to have caught on as a backup somewhere, but he proved he was a system-orientated QB that only was effective in Harbaugh's system, and unless they start a pro franchise in Ann Arbor then he's a very limited QB anywhere else.

You know nothing about the game football. I can name 11 teams that could use him right now.
By the way, this has nothing to do about the flag, fallen warriors or love of this country. This is making sure that this country keeps its original promise that all men and women are treated equal. ALL

No, I stand by it. Kaeperneck worked in Jim Harbaugh's extremely conservative offensive scheme that didn't ask much of the QB. And he did it with a stellar defense on the other side. When Harbaugh left, Kaeperneck's shortcomings, well before he protested anything, were on full display. He's not a starting QB in this league, period. Now, could he or should he be a backup or third stringer? Absolutely, he is better than many of the drek QB's that sit the bench in the NFL. And yes, owners haven't signed him to be a backup or 3rd stringer because, while he's certainly at that level, the antics of the protest certainly factor in. Of course, he'd be a backup for the Ravens right now if his girlfriend didn't publicly call Ozzie Newsome an Uncle Tom during negotiations with the Ravens, but I'm sure you already knew that. If you can be a starting QB in the NFL, there is nothing that would stop an NFL team from signing him right now.

[BDKJMU]

The NFL complains that Trumps comments were divisive. What was divisive was the NFL not putting an end to this last year or before this past weekend and allowing it to fester. After all, the NFL micromanages everything- what players can wear, what colors, tucking in their jerseys, pulling up their socks, etc. So by not putting an end to it they gave it tacit approval. The NFL claims they want unity. They want unity- put an end the anthem protests.

Yes...force unity and conformity at all costs...

So you'd be cool with your employees at work in uniform taking a political stance in front of your customers that alienated a large chunk of your customers. Got it.

[BDKJMU]

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