Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Skjellyfetti]

Crappy b-day present for Donald.

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s own conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

Trump had received private assurances from former FBI Director James B. Comey starting in January that he was not personally under investigation. Officials say that changed shortly after Comey’s firing.

Five people briefed on the requests, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said Daniel Coats, the current director of national intelligence, Adm. Mike Rogers, head of the National Security Agency, and Rogers’ recently departed deputy, Richard Ledgett, agreed to be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators as early as this week. The investigation has been cloaked in secrecy and it’s unclear how many others have been questioned by the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 8a6a18bcb7

[BDKJMU]

In addition to Mueller being close friends with the star witness, 3 of the 5 investigators that Mueller has hired are major donks campaign contributors. That right there aught to to send up all kinds of red flags..
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/12/poli ... index.html

[Skjellyfetti]

Rosenstein was asked about that yesterday:

Graham: Do you know of any reason for a cause to fire Mr. Mueller as of this date?

Rosenstein: No, I do not, Senator.

Graham: And, that would be your decision, if it ever happened. Right?

Rosenstein: That's correct.

Graham: And you're going to make it, nobody else?

Rosenstein: As long as I'm in this position, Senator, it would be my responsibility to make that decision.

Graham: I'm glad you're in this position. Is giving political donations a reason to disqualify someone from serving in the special counsel's office?

Rosenstein: No, Senator, it is not a disqualification. It is not.

Graham: As a matter of fact, in many states, the judges and prosecutors are actually elected, donations are part of that system. Is that correct?

Rosenstein: Yes, that's true.

[CID1990]

In addition to Mueller being close friends with the star witness, 3 of the 5 investigators that Mueller has hired are major donks campaign contributors. That right there aught to to send up all kinds of red flags..
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/12/poli ... index.html

If there's no "there" there then it won't matter

But these things tend to go down lots of different paths - I'm guessing we're going to find some tax issues

Hell I'm sure I've probably screwed mine up at some point

[Skjellyfetti]

But these things tend to go down lots of different paths - I'm guessing we're going to find some tax issues

Hell I'm sure I've probably screwed mine up at some point

I doubt they'd pursue minor tax stuff.

This is who probably has Trump and his minions clenching their assholes the tightest:

Also, while the Special Counsel’s office has yet to make any formal announcements about Mueller’s team, it appears he has recruited an experienced Justice Department trial attorney, Lisa Page, a little-known figure outside the halls of Main Justice but one whose résumé boasts intriguing hints about where Mueller’s Russia investigation might lead. Page has deep experience with money laundering and organized crime cases, including investigations where she’s partnered with an FBI task force in Budapest, Hungary, that focuses on eastern European organized crime. That Budapest task force helped put together the still-unfolding money laundering case against Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash, a one-time business partner of Manafort.

[CID1990]

But these things tend to go down lots of different paths - I'm guessing we're going to find some tax issues

Hell I'm sure I've probably screwed mine up at some point

I doubt they'd pursue minor tax stuff.

This is who probably has Trump and his minions clenching their assholes the tightest:

Also, while the Special Counsel’s office has yet to make any formal announcements about Mueller’s team, it appears he has recruited an experienced Justice Department trial attorney, Lisa Page, a little-known figure outside the halls of Main Justice but one whose résumé boasts intriguing hints about where Mueller’s Russia investigation might lead. Page has deep experience with money laundering and organized crime cases, including investigations where she’s partnered with an FBI task force in Budapest, Hungary, that focuses on eastern European organized crime. That Budapest task force helped put together the still-unfolding money laundering case against Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash, a one-time business partner of Manafort.

So they'll dig up that Russians are gangsters

I bill less than anyone on that panel

You're welcome

[Ibanez]

In addition to Mueller being close friends with the star witness, 3 of the 5 investigators that Mueller has hired are major donks campaign contributors. That right there aught to to send up all kinds of red flags..
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/12/poli ... index.html

Who cares? I get why you do but people can be more than their political affiliation.

[CAA Flagship]

In addition to Mueller being close friends with the star witness, 3 of the 5 investigators that Mueller has hired are major donks campaign contributors. That right there aught to to send up all kinds of red flags..
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/12/poli ... index.html

If there's no "there" there then it won't matter

But these things tend to go down lots of different paths - I'm guessing we're going to find some tax issues

Hell I'm sure I've probably screwed mine up at some point

Regarding tax issues, I would think that by having full-time accountants and lawyers to track the information, and eventually report the information, Trump will have enough separation from the wrongdoing to avoid anything more than a penalty payment.

[kalm]

I doubt they'd pursue minor tax stuff.

This is who probably has Trump and his minions clenching their assholes the tightest:

So they'll dig up that Russians are gangsters

I bill less than anyone on that panel

You're welcome

But might the Manafort connection mean something? Yes, the Russians are gangsters, who've made deals with half the Trump intellegentsia?

[CAA Flagship]

So they'll dig up that Russians are gangsters

I bill less than anyone on that panel

You're welcome

But might the Manafort connection mean something? Yes, the Russians are gangsters, who've made deals with half the Trump intellegentsia?

Maybe. But just because you are a supplier of goods or services to Los Pollos Hermanos, it doesn't mean you are involved with the drug cartel.

[kalm]

If there's no "there" there then it won't matter

But these things tend to go down lots of different paths - I'm guessing we're going to find some tax issues

Hell I'm sure I've probably screwed mine up at some point

Regarding tax issues, I would think that by having full-time accountants and lawyers to track the information, and eventually report the information, Trump will have enough separation from the wrongdoing to avoid anything more than a penalty payment.

My son in law, campaign manager, daughter, sons, various advisers, et al might be involved but, me???



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -dossiers/

[kalm]

But might the Manafort connection mean something? Yes, the Russians are gangsters, who've made deals with half the Trump intellegentsia?

Maybe. But just because you are a supplier of goods or services to Los Pollos Hermanos, it doesn't mean you are involved with the drug cartel.

*consumer

[Ivytalk]

Regarding tax issues, I would think that by having full-time accountants and lawyers to track the information, and eventually report the information, Trump will have enough separation from the wrongdoing to avoid anything more than a penalty payment.

My son in law, campaign manager, daughter, sons, various advisers, et al might be involved but, me???



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -dossiers/

Drumpf would throw Melania, Ivanka, and Barron under the bus to save his sorry orange azz.

[CAA Flagship]

Maybe. But just because you are a supplier of goods or services to Los Pollos Hermanos, it doesn't mean you are involved with the drug cartel.

*consumer

No. I meant supplier. Utensils, napkins, food, trash bags, cash registers, etc. Business transactions.

[Skjellyfetti]

But might the Manafort connection mean something? Yes, the Russians are gangsters, who've made deals with half the Trump intellegentsia?

Maybe. But just because you are a supplier of goods or services to Los Pollos Hermanos, it doesn't mean you are involved with the drug cartel.

Of course not.

But, he (and his team) have so many connections. If you have connections to Tuco, Nacho, Vamanos Pest, and your car wash is pulling in way more money than it should... It raises a whole lot more questions. (And, his lawyer is basically Saul Goodman )

[Skjellyfetti]

Newt.

[kalm]

*consumer

No. I meant supplier. Utensils, napkins, food, trash bags, cash registers, etc. Business transactions.

Oh c'mon!!! I was talking about me! I made a funny, gawdammit!

[CAA Flagship]

No. I meant supplier. Utensils, napkins, food, trash bags, cash registers, etc. Business transactions.

Oh c'mon!!! I was talking about me! I made a funny, gawdammit!

[BDKJMU]

In addition to Mueller being close friends with the star witness, 3 of the 5 investigators that Mueller has hired are major donks campaign contributors. That right there aught to to send up all kinds of red flags..
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/12/poli ... index.html

Who cares? I get why you do but people can be more than their political affiliation.

And people can be biased based on their political affiliation..

[Ibanez]

Who cares? I get why you do but people can be more than their political affiliation.

And people can be biased based on their political affiliation..

Clearly. However, you're making an assumption (as am I).

If the facts say Donald Trump did something bad (or Jared or whoever) does it really matter that a Democrat said it? Facts are facts.

[CID1990]

okey dokey jelly dokey


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[Skjellyfetti]

Who cares? I get why you do but people can be more than their political affiliation.

And people can be biased based on their political affiliation..

And, there is probably the most respected, least biased person in DC leading the investigation. He's hiring the best prosecutors available to him.

Rosenstein (Trump appointee) sees no conflict of interest.

Your best bet is Rosenstein having to recuse himself since he's likely a witness to a crime under investigation and Rachel Brand sharing your view and dissolving the special counselor appointment.

[Skjellyfetti]

Bilbo Bigot just can't help himself

MCCAIN: During that 2016 campaign season, did you have any contacts with any representative, including any American lobbyist or agent of any Russian company within or outside your capacity as a member of congress or a member of the armed services committee?

SESSIONS: I don't believe so.

An American lobbyist for Russian interests who helped craft an important foreign policy speech for Donald Trump has confirmed that he attended two dinners hosted by Jeff Sessions during the 2016 campaign, apparently contradicting the attorney general’s sworn testimony given this week.

Sessions testified under oath on Tuesday that he did not believe he had any contacts with lobbyists working for Russian interests over the course of Trump’s campaign. But Richard Burt, a former ambassador to Germany during the Reagan administration, who has represented Russian interests in Washington, told the Guardian that he could confirm previous media reports that stated he had contacts with Sessions at the time.

“I did attend two dinners with groups of former Republican foreign policy officials and Senator Sessions,” Burt said.

Other outlets, including the New Yorker magazine and Reuters, also reported last year that Burt had contributed his views to Trump’s speech. When NPR interviewed Burt in May 2016 about the talk, he said he was “asked to provide a draft for that speech, and parts of that draft survived into the final [version]”.

The speech, delivered on 27 April 2016 at the Mayflower Hotel, was attended by Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and is now at the heart of new questions about Sessions’ personal dealings with Russian officials. Sessions recused himself from oversight of the FBI’s investigation into possible collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign in March after it emerged that he held two undisclosed meetings with the Russian ambassador last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

[Ibanez]

And people can be biased based on their political affiliation..

And, there is probably the most respected, least biased person in DC leading the investigation. He's hiring the best prosecutors available to him.

Rosenstein (Trump appointee) sees no conflict of interest.

Your best bet is Rosenstein having to recuse himself since he's likely a witness to a crime under investigation and Rachel Brand sharing your view and dissolving the special counselor appointment.

LIAR! He's a DNC Plant trying to undermine everything.

[SDHornet]

Everything outside of what the special prosecutor does is just noise.

What's going to happen is what always happens with these kinds of investigations. The original allegations/suspicions fall by the wayside and make way for new discoveries nobody knew about. Just ask Bill Clinton.

We'll likely see Flynn go down for what is already obvious. Then we'll see a couple confidantes go down for any number of things, and I'm thinking undisclosed payments.

That is the Russian MO. They'll offer money to anybody with even a hint of connection to people in government. And then if they can get you in a compromising situation you're in trouble. That's why I think we'll see "just in case" payments to some associates but without any evidence of a quid pro quo (but they'll get whacked by the IRS for evasion). Flynn is a whole different story. I am pretty sure he is going to be in some deep sh1t over Turkey and Russia. That's a big time no-no

The other issue is that Mueller is going to be unmasking a lot of intelligence - we may see some previously unsuspected people come into the spotlight

Legally, Trump himself isn't in trouble. But I don't see how he survives politically. These things have a way of uncovering a lot of dirt.

Yup. Conks were outmaneuvered when they allowed Mueller to get into this special role. Something will come of this and it won't help Trump even though he legally will be fine. We'll see some report in a few years that will get impeachment going if the donks take control of the House. It's amazing how incompetent conks keep proving themselves to be.