Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[kalm]

Oh look at this from the well known liberal rumor monger - Wall Street Journal

In the weeks before President Donald Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, a federal investigation into potential collusion between Trump associates and the Russian government was heating up, as Mr. Comey became increasingly occupied with the probe.

Mr. Comey started receiving daily instead of weekly updates on the investigation, beginning at least three weeks ago, according to people with knowledge of the matter and the progress of the Federal Bureau of Investigation probe. Mr. Comey was concerned by information showing potential evidence of collusion, according to these people.

FBI and Senate investigations into Mr. Flynn, which had been looking into the nature of his contacts with Russia before he joined the White House, expanded in recent weeks to include an examination of Mr. Flynn’s tenure as Mr. Trump’s chief security adviser, people familiar with the probe said.

Investigators are interested in companies that have done business with Mr. Trump or have connections with him, said people familiar with the matter. That could include businesses associated with members of Mr. Trump’s family, such as Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law turned aide who was formerly the CEO of his family’s real-estate business, Kushner Cos., one person said.

With his concerns mounting, Mr. Comey last week sought more resources to support the bureau’s investigation, which began last July. He requested additional personnel from Rod Rosenstein, who had been recently installed as the deputy attorney general, overseeing the FBI, people familiar with the discussions said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/james-come ... 1494433061

What exactly is collusion and how difficult is it prosecute?

[Skjellyfetti]

I imagine it would be very difficult to prosecute it without something like wiretapes discussing it [though, likely inadmissible?], financial documents showing money movement, getting someone to flip, etc.

I absolutely doubt they will ever have anything to nail Trump himself on actual collusion.

The question is about his slimeball minions like Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Stone.

That's why Trumped flipped out about FISA warrants that were obtained on his goon squad. He said wiretapping him at Trump Tower... which didn't happen... either because he was confused or trying to drum up a controversy. But, this clearly made him shit his pants.

He acted the same way this week as subpoenas started going out, Comey requesting an expansion of the investigation, Senate asking for fiancial documents etc.

Just watch Trump. The crazier he gets, the tighter the noose is getting.

[CAA Flagship]

I imagine it would be very difficult to prosecute it without something like wiretapes discussing it [though, likely inadmissible?], financial documents showing money movement, getting someone to flip, etc.

I absolutely doubt they will ever have anything to nail Trump himself on actual collusion.

The question is about his slimeball minions like Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Stone.

That's why Trumped flipped out about FISA warrants that were obtained on his goon squad. He said wiretapping him at Trump Tower... which didn't happen... either because he was confused or trying to drum up a controversy. But, this clearly made him shit his pants.

He acted the same way this week as subpoenas started going out, Comey requesting an expansion of the investigation, Senate asking for fiancial documents etc.

Just watch Trump. The crazier he gets, the tighter the noose is getting.

You are worse than spanos, sometimes.
Sit back, relax, and breathe easy. Stop with the lies. Your assertions are not based in any facts. That is nothing but biased opinion, which is OK to state as long as you qualify it. And you didn't.

[kalm]

I imagine it would be very difficult to prosecute it without something like wiretapes discussing it [though, likely inadmissible?], financial documents showing money movement, getting someone to flip, etc.

I absolutely doubt they will ever have anything to nail Trump himself on actual collusion.

The question is about his slimeball minions like Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Stone.

That's why Trumped flipped out about FISA warrants that were obtained on his goon squad. He said wiretapping him at Trump Tower... which didn't happen... either because he was confused or trying to drum up a controversy. But, this clearly made him shit his pants.

He acted the same way this week as subpoenas started going out, Comey requesting an expansion of the investigation, Senate asking for fiancial documents etc.

Just watch Trump. The crazier he gets, the tighter the noose is getting.

You are worse than spanos, sometimes.
Sit back, relax, and breathe easy. Stop with the lies. Your assertions are not based in any facts. That is nothing but biased opinion, which is OK to state as long as you qualify it. And you didn't.

Exactly! I'm sure he didn't really shit his pants. It was more than likely one of those sharts, where you find out the clenched butt cheeks caught it in time before you greased the boxer briefs. Small victories!

[Skjellyfetti]

Oh, give me a fucking break. That's clearly my editorializing.

I've been called "spanos" on this since page one of this fucking thread. Every week there is a deluge of legitimate news added to the story. It's nowhere near spanos territory.

[Skjellyfetti]

I went back to find the first person calling me spanos on this story and found this gem.

Ibanez almost nailed this:

So what's the over on the date of Putin's first White House visit?

It'll be part of the May Day celebrations.

Except it was Lavrov and Kislyak on May 10.

[Ibanez]

I went back to find the first person calling me spanos on this story and found this gem.

Ibanez almost nailed this:

It'll be part of the May Day celebrations.

Except it was Lavrov and Kislyak on May 10.

What makes that better is that I was serious.

[kalm]

Oh, give me a fucking break. That's clearly my editorializing.

I've been called "spanos" on this since page one of this fucking thread. Every week there is a deluge of legitimate news added to the story. It's nowhere near spanos territory.

Yeah...the Spanos smack is pretty lame. I started a thread that literally had "tin foil hat" in the thread title acknowledging the conspiracy theory nature of the story, and BDK still accused me of being Spanos.

[CAA Flagship]

Oh, give me a fucking break. That's clearly my editorializing.

I've been called "spanos" on this since page one of this fucking thread. Every week there is a deluge of legitimate news added to the story. It's nowhere near spanos territory.

After all this news, can you give us a sense of how guilty the Trump team is of collusion? Scale of 1 - 10.

[kalm]

Oh, give me a fucking break. That's clearly my editorializing.

I've been called "spanos" on this since page one of this fucking thread. Every week there is a deluge of legitimate news added to the story. It's nowhere near spanos territory.

After all this news, can you give us a sense of how guilty the Trump team is of collusion? Scale of 1 - 10.

Collusion in the criminal sense or in the reality sense?

[kalm]

Russian State Media Get Access To White House Meeting While U.S. Press Kept Out
“It’s unprecedented,” says NBC’s Andrea Mitchell.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... 8297e1b1d6

[CAA Flagship]

After all this news, can you give us a sense of how guilty the Trump team is of collusion? Scale of 1 - 10.

Collusion in the criminal sense or in the reality sense?

Both. You can add in dollars and cents if you want.

[Skjellyfetti]

After all this news, can you give us a sense of how guilty the Trump team is of collusion? Scale of 1 - 10.

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I have no idea. I've never claimed to know. I said in the post that you took such issue with that I really don't think Trump himself gets implicated.

Whether anyone else colluded? I dunno. Comey wanted to expand the investigation because of evidence of collusion. Fired shortly afterward. Suspicious, no?

I think it's a fascinating story and that's why I've been following it closely from the get-go. There is an awful lot of smoke. And, I'm suspicious. But, it's been a wild ride so far to say the least.
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[Skjellyfetti]

You can add in dollars and cents if you want.

That's where it gets interesting.

The likeliest serious charges, IMO, are:

1. FARA (Flynn is cooked. Possibly Manafort as well)
2. RICO / other financial crimes (Trump and associates' finances being poured over by FinCEN... I think is likely to uncover some wrongdoing. But, maybe they're all squeaky clean...)

3. Collusion


* Wildcard = Obstruction of Justice (not that likely as of now. but.... they're working on it )

[CAA Flagship]

You can add in dollars and cents if you want.

That's where it gets interesting.

The likeliest serious charges, IMO, are:

1. FARA (Flynn is cooked. Possibly Manafort as well)
2. RICO / other financial crimes (Trump and associates' finances being poured over by FinCEN... I think is likely to uncover some wrongdoing. But, maybe they're all squeaky clean...)

3. Collusion


* Wildcard = Obstruction of Justice (not that likely as of now. but.... they're working on it )

I would bet a lot on the fact that there was some wrongdoing with the campaign finances. And I would bet that more than 50% of the candidates in the 2016 campaign had wrongdoings. And I would bet that HRC had more wrongdoings than anyone else in the campaign. There is just not enough enforcement of rules available to capture it all. But if you alot some resources to a single candidate, you will likely find it.

[kalm]

That's where it gets interesting.

The likeliest serious charges, IMO, are:

1. FARA (Flynn is cooked. Possibly Manafort as well)
2. RICO / other financial crimes (Trump and associates' finances being poured over by FinCEN... I think is likely to uncover some wrongdoing. But, maybe they're all squeaky clean...)

3. Collusion


* Wildcard = Obstruction of Justice (not that likely as of now. but.... they're working on it )

I would bet a lot on the fact that there was some wrongdoing with the campaign finances. And I would bet that more than 50% of the candidates in the 2016 campaign had wrongdoings. And I would bet that HRC had more wrongdoings than anyone else in the campaign. There is just not enough enforcement of rules available to capture it all. But if you alot some resources to a single candidate, you will likely find it.

*allot

(Yes! BOOM! IYFF, Flaggy!)

[Ibanez]

You can add in dollars and cents if you want.

That's where it gets interesting.

The likeliest serious charges, IMO, are:

1. FARA (Flynn is cooked. Possibly Manafort as well)
2. RICO / other financial crimes (Trump and associates' finances being poured over by FinCEN... I think is likely to uncover some wrongdoing. But, maybe they're all squeaky clean...)

3. Collusion


* Wildcard = Obstruction of Justice (not that likely as of now. but.... they're working on it )

I could see FinCEN uncovering something. Wasn't the Trump org fined Trump $10M for violating the Bank Security act?

[Skjellyfetti]

Yes. For anti-money laundering violations.

And, that investigation was limited to a single property.

Among the findings:

failed to report suspicious transactions; failed to properly file required currency transaction reports;

Conclusion:

Like all casinos in this country, Trump Taj Mahal has a duty to help protect our financial system from being exploited by criminals, terrorists, and other bad actors. Far from meeting these expectations, poor compliance practices, over many years, left the casino and our financial system unacceptably exposed.

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releas ... t-and-long

Now FinCEN is doing an all encompassing investigation - coordinating with FBI, CIA, and NSA.


If you want more reason to be suspicious... Read about Russian money laundering in real estate.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+ ... 15&tbm=nws

[CAA Flagship]

I would bet a lot on the fact that there was some wrongdoing with the campaign finances. And I would bet that more than 50% of the candidates in the 2016 campaign had wrongdoings. And I would bet that HRC had more wrongdoings than anyone else in the campaign. There is just not enough enforcement of rules available to capture it all. But if you alot some resources to a single candidate, you will likely find it.

*allot

(Yes! BOOM! IYFF, Flaggy!)

[Skjellyfetti]

I would bet a lot on the fact that there was some wrongdoing with the campaign finances. And I would bet that more than 50% of the candidates in the 2016 campaign had wrongdoings. And I would bet that HRC had more wrongdoings than anyone else in the campaign. There is just not enough enforcement of rules available to capture it all. But if you alot some resources to a single candidate, you will likely find it.

Yeah, I don't think campaign finance will come into this at all - unless it's something like large sums of direct payments from Russians or money laundered for Russians into the campaign - which would be much more serious than just campaign finance laws.

If all it is are a fairly minor campaign finance violations (and, I don't think the FBI or FinCEN would be be too interested in pursuing that, anyway)... I would certainly agree that there was a lot of smoke but no fire and that my suspicions were wrong.

Keep in mind, though - they're poring over individuals' and business' finances.

[Skjellyfetti]

The Federal Bureau of Investigation carried out a raid on a Republican fundraising firm in Maryland that had been accused in a 2014 lawsuit of defrauding political donors, according to several area news outlets.

The target of the raid was Strategic Campaign Group Inc. in Annapolis, the Baltimore Sun reported on Thursday, along with local television stations. Nicole Schwab, a spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington, D.C., field office, told Bloomberg News that agents had executed a court-approved search warrant in the vicinity of Main Street, Annapolis, where the fundraising firm is located.

Kelley Rogers, the president of Strategic Campaign Group, confirmed that his firm was the target of the raid, the newspaper reported.

It’s unclear what the FBI was seeking at the offices of the group, which advises Republican candidates. Calls to several of the group’s officials weren’t immediately returned.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... bi-reports

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation carried out a raid on a Republican fundraising firm in Maryland that had been accused in a 2014 lawsuit of defrauding political donors, according to several area news outlets.

The target of the raid was Strategic Campaign Group Inc. in Annapolis, the Baltimore Sun reported on Thursday, along with local television stations. Nicole Schwab, a spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington, D.C., field office, told Bloomberg News that agents had executed a court-approved search warrant in the vicinity of Main Street, Annapolis, where the fundraising firm is located.

Kelley Rogers, the president of Strategic Campaign Group, confirmed that his firm was the target of the raid, the newspaper reported.

It’s unclear what the FBI was seeking at the offices of the group, which advises Republican candidates. Calls to several of the group’s officials weren’t immediately returned.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... bi-reports

What does this have to do with Trump and Russia?

[Skjellyfetti]

We'll see. But, it's news regardless.

[Skjellyfetti]

Just watch Trump. The crazier he gets, the tighter the noose is getting.

See: Trump's tweet storm this morning.


It's like Trump got 3/4 of the way through Nixon's memoirs and then decided this guy knew what he was doing.

[Ibanez]

Just watch Trump. The crazier he gets, the tighter the noose is getting.

See: Trump's tweet storm this morning.


It's like Trump got 3/4 of the way through Nixon's memoirs and then decided this guy knew what he was doing.

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