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Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation.
And, here's some bullet points the dossier alleges re: Page

- an "ethnic Russian" close to Trump admitted there was a conspiracy of cooperation between the campaign and Russia, led by Manafort with Page acting as an intermediary [this is probably Boris Epshteyn... though, could be Felix Sater or Sergei Millian]

- Page held secret meetings in Moscow with Sechin & Divyekin

- Kremlin engaged with Stein, Page and Mike Flynn and funded some of their trips to Moscow

- Page conceived of the idea to leak DNC emails to sway Bernie voters and hurt Clinton (Page discussed this with the "ethnic Russian" close to Trump)

- the Rosneft deal for lifting sanctions quid-pro-quo was discussed and Page confirmed lifting sanctions was Trump's intention

- coverup of Page and Manafort's dealings with Russia was later handled by Michael Cohen
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Hmmm. Now Reuters corroborating information found in the dossier.
A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.

The institute is run by retired senior Russian foreign intelligence officials appointed by Putin’s office.

The first Russian institute document was a strategy paper written last June that circulated at the highest levels of the Russian government but was not addressed to any specific individuals.

It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said.

A second institute document, drafted in October and distributed in the same way, warned that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was likely to win the election. For that reason, it argued, it was better for Russia to end its pro-Trump propaganda and instead intensify its messaging about voter fraud to undermine the U.S. electoral system’s legitimacy and damage Clinton’s reputation in an effort to undermine her presidency, the seven officials said.

The current and former U.S. officials spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the Russian documents’ classified status. They declined to discuss how the United States obtained them. U.S. intelligence agencies also declined to comment on them.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-r ... SKBN17L2N3



The dossier reported this October pivot from working toward helping Trump win to undermining the electoral process.

October was when Trump started turning on the "voter fraud" talking points.

17 October:
US Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has said the election is "absolutely rigged" by the "dishonest media" and "at many polling places".

His comments appear to contradict his running mate Mike Pence, who told NBC Mr Trump would "absolutely" accept the election result, despite media "bias".

Mr Trump's adviser Rudy Giuliani has also accused Democrats of "cheating".

Polls suggest Mr Trump is losing ground in some key battleground states against Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
Mr Trump has questioned the legitimacy of the election process in a series of tweets, the latest of which said on Monday: "Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day.

"Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!"

An earlier tweet said: "The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary - but also at many polling places - SAD."
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37673797

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+v ... F2016&tbm=

Could be coincidence.

But, more and more of the dossier is being verified.

Now even with Russian sources.
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From drips to deluge. :lol:
Ever since F.B.I. investigators discovered in 2013 that a Russian spy was trying to recruit an American businessman named Carter Page, the bureau maintained an occasional interest in Mr. Page. So when he became a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign last year and gave a Russia-friendly speech at a prestigious Moscow institute, it soon caught the bureau’s attention.

That trip last July was a catalyst for the F.B.I. investigation into connections between Russia and President Trump’s campaign, according to current and former law enforcement and intelligence officials.

It is unclear exactly what about Mr. Page’s visit caught the F.B.I.’s attention: meetings he had during his three days in Moscow, intercepted communications of Russian officials speaking about him, or something else.

After Mr. Page, 45 — a Navy veteran and businessman who had lived in Moscow for three years — stepped down from the Trump campaign in September, the F.B.I. obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowing the authorities to monitor his communications on the suspicion that he was a Russian agent.
When the F.B.I. opened its investigation in late July, agents were just beginning to explore whether Mr. Trump’s advisers had contacts with Russian government officials or intelligence operatives, according to the current and former law enforcement officials, who spoke about the continuing inquiry on the condition of anonymity. In the months that followed, they said, more evidence came to light, including intercepts of Russian officials discussing Mr. Page and other Trump associates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/us/p ... trump.html
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Jeez, that's 4 straight JSO length posts by KY. His Russia obsession is entering JSO Trump obsession level territory..
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BDKJMU wrote:Jeez, that's 4 straight JSO length posts by KY. His Russia obsession is entering JSO Trump obsession level territory..
It's quite different. There's something fishy going. There aren't many government agencies I trust. The FBI is one of them.
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BDKJMU wrote:Jeez, that's 4 straight JSO length posts by KY. His Russia obsession is entering JSO Trump obsession level territory..
It's mostly just copy pasted stories. :lol:


Seems the FBI, the press, and the leakers are pretty obsessed with this story as well. :clap:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Jeez, that's 4 straight JSO length posts by KY. His Russia obsession is entering JSO Trump obsession level territory..
It's mostly just copy pasted stories. :lol:


Seems the FBI, the press, and the leakers are pretty obsessed with this story as well. :clap:
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In six months to a year this thread is going to turn into the "The FBI is too political/incompetent" thread
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Lots going on in FlynnWorld this week.

The Turkish man who gave Mike Flynn a $600,000 lobbying deal just before President Donald Trump picked him to be national security adviser has business ties to Russia, including a 2009 aviation financing deal negotiated with Vladimir Putin, according to court records.

The man, Ekim Alptekin, has in recent years helped to coordinate Turkish lobbying in Washington with Dmitri “David” Zaikin, a Soviet-born former executive in Russian energy and mining companies who also has had dealings with Putin’s government, according to three people with direct knowledge of the activities.

This unusual arrangement, in which Alptekin and Zaikin have helped steer Turkish lobbying through various groups since at least 2015, raises questions about both the agenda of the two men and the source of the funds used to pay the lobbyists.

Although Turkey is a NATO ally, its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has grown increasingly authoritarian and friendly with Putin. And the hiring of Flynn by Alptekin came at a time when Flynn was working for Trump’s campaign and Putin’s government was under investigation for interfering with the U.S. election.

Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner, declined to comment. In a filing with the Justice Department, Flynn said he relied on assurances from Alptekin that he was not directly or indirectly funded by a foreign government. But shifting explanations and a web of business ties raise questions about the arrangement.

Flynn has offered evolving accounts of his lobbying work for Alptekin. In September, Flynn reported his client as a Dutch shell company owned by Alptekin. After being forced to leave the White House — reportedly because he lied to Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations during the transition with the Russian ambassador — Flynn filed new paperwork in March acknowledging that his lobbying work “principally benefitted” the Turkish government.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/2 ... sia-237550



House Oversight Committee's Chaffetz and Cummings:
President Donald Trump's former national security adviser did not properly disclose payments from Russia and does not appear to have complied with the law, House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz and ranking Democrat Elijah Cummings said Tuesday after reviewing Michael Flynn's application for a security clearance.

"As a former military officer, you simply cannot take money from Russia, Turkey or anybody else. And it appears as if he did take that money. It was inappropriate. And there are repercussions for the violation of law," Chaffetz said.

Chaffetz and Cummings announced their findings to reporters on the Hill following a classified gathering of the committee in which they reviewed documents that Cummings described as "extremely troubling."

"I see no data to support the notion that Gen. Flynn complied with the law," Chaffetz said, referring to whether Flynn received permission from the Pentagon or the State Department or that he disclosed the more than $45,000 he was paid for a speech he gave to RT-TV in Russia.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/ ... index.html



White House denies request for documents relating to Flynn
The White House said it was “unable” to fulfill a bipartisan request by the House Oversight Committee to provide documents on payments made by foreign governments to former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, according to a letter released Tuesday by the committee.

The letter, dated April 19, came in response to a March request from Republican Representative Jason Chaffetz, who heads the committee, and Representative Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat. In releasing the White House letter Tuesday, Cummings said he and Chaffetz had reviewed documents relating to Flynn from the Defense Intelligence Agency, calling them "extremely troubling."

The April 19 White House letter came from Marc Short, director of legislative affairs. He referred some of the requests for documents to the Defense Department and said other documents were likely to contain classified or confidential information.

Flynn, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, served Trump as a campaign adviser and briefly as national security adviser until news reports revealed he had misled Vice President Mike Pence about the contents of conversations with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. during Trump’s transition.
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Ouch.

Chaffetz has certainly done an about face since announcing he wouldn't run again.
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None of this is news, SK. I said weeks ago that Flynn was on the hook for failure to register as a foreign agent. That's why he was trolling for an immunity deal a few weeks ago -

The FBI didn't buy it because they don't think he has info or knows anything about cooperation with the Russians over the election


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Yes, the payments aren't news. We've known about them for months. The White House was warned months before his resignation that he might be compromised. And did nothing about it.

Yes, none of this is news.


What's news is that action is finally being taken on them. Chaffetz said previously that his committee wouldn't even INVESTIGATE Flynn. Coming out and saying Flynn likely broke the law is a huge about face. That's what's new.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Yes, the payments aren't news. We've known about them for months. The White House was warned months before his resignation that he might be compromised. And did nothing about it.

Yes, none of this is news.


What's news is that action is finally being taken on them. Chaffetz said previously that his committee wouldn't even INVESTIGATE Flynn. Coming out and saying Flynn likely broke the law is a huge about face. That's what's new.
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Former national security adviser Michael Flynn was warned by the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 against accepting foreign payments as he entered retirement, according to new documents obtained by the House oversight committee.

The inspector general of the Department of Defense also opened an investigation of Flynn earlier this month, according to an April 11 letter released by the oversight committee Thursday.

"These documents raise grave questions about why General Flynn concealed the payments he received from foreign sources after he was warned explicitly by the Pentagon," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight committee, in a statement. "Our next step is to get the documents we are seeking from the White House so we can complete our investigation. I thank the Department of Defense for providing us with unclassified versions of these documents."

The news comes two days after Cummings and House oversight chairman Jason Chaffetz said Flynn may have broken the law by not disclosing payments he received from RT-TV, a station widely considered to be a propaganda arm of the Russian government.

Flynn's lawyer, Robert Kelner, had previously said that Flynn briefed the DIA on his speech to RT and the payments, but Cummings said Thursday that another document that was declassified this week shows no evidence to support that statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/ ... index.html
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Former national security adviser Michael Flynn was warned by the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 against accepting foreign payments as he entered retirement, according to new documents obtained by the House oversight committee.

The inspector general of the Department of Defense also opened an investigation of Flynn earlier this month, according to an April 11 letter released by the oversight committee Thursday.

"These documents raise grave questions about why General Flynn concealed the payments he received from foreign sources after he was warned explicitly by the Pentagon," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight committee, in a statement. "Our next step is to get the documents we are seeking from the White House so we can complete our investigation. I thank the Department of Defense for providing us with unclassified versions of these documents."

The news comes two days after Cummings and House oversight chairman Jason Chaffetz said Flynn may have broken the law by not disclosing payments he received from RT-TV, a station widely considered to be a propaganda arm of the Russian government.

Flynn's lawyer, Robert Kelner, had previously said that Flynn briefed the DIA on his speech to RT and the payments, but Cummings said Thursday that another document that was declassified this week shows no evidence to support that statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/ ... index.html
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I've gotten a bit behind on my updates. :D

Carter Page refuses to comply with Senate Intelligence Committee's request for documents, pens 9-page rant.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/image ... erpage.pdf

Eric Trump said in 2014 that Trump doesn't need loans from US banks because he gets all his funding from Russia
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270 ... funding-we

Trump transition team warned about Flynn's contacts with Russia [Pence was the head of the transition team]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

Obama personally warned Trump about hiring Flynn 2 days after the election
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oba ... ls-n756316


Yates testimony later this afternoon. :popcorn:
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Senate Russia investigators ask Treasury for Trump team financial information

Senate Russia investigators have sent a request to the Treasury Department's criminal investigation division for any information related to President Donald Trump, his top officials and his campaign aides, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee told CNN Tuesday.

"We've made a request, to FinCEN in the Treasury Department, to make sure, not just for example vis-a-vis the President, but just overall our effort to try to follow the intel no matter where it leads," Sen. Mark Warner told CNN. "You get materials that show if there have been, what level of financial ties between, I mean some of the stuff, some of the Trump-related officials, Trump campaign-related officials and other officials and where those dollars flow -- not necessarily from Russia."

FinCEN is the federal agency that has been investigating allegations of foreign money-laundering through purchases of US real estate.

The news comes just a few days after the revelation that Senate investigators sent broad-based requests for documents to four key potential witnesses in their probe: former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, former adviser Roger Stone and former foreign policy adviser Carter Page.

Warner added that until the Treasury Department responds with documents, that he will withhold his support for Trump's nominee to oversee terrorism and financial at the Treasury Department, Sigal Mandelker.
"Chairman Burr and I requested that information -- until we get it, I'm not going to support the administration's nominee for undersecretary of Treasury finance, for terrorism and finance, because they owe us these documents first," Warner said.

Warner did not specify what documents exactly that investigators are hoping to find or who exactly they asked about in their request. CNN has reached out to the White House for comment and have not yet gotten a response.

The focus on Trump's own finances emerged Tuesday after Sen. Lindsey Graham, who is leading his own investigation into Russian interference, said he wanted to investigate potential business ties between the Trump Organization and Russia. Graham later walked back those comments, saying he is broadly interested in "all things Russia" and was not specifically targeting Trump's business dealings.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/ ... index.html
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Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation

Federal prosecutors have issued grand jury subpoenas to associates of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn seeking business records, as part of the ongoing probe of Russian meddling in last year's election, according to people familiar with the matter. CNN learned of the subpoenas hours before President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey.

The subpoenas represent the first sign of a significant escalation of activity in the FBI's broader investigation begun last July into possible ties between Trump campaign associates and Russia.

The subpoenas issued in recent weeks by the US Attorney's Office in Alexandria, Virginia, were received by associates who worked with Flynn on contracts after he was forced out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, according to the people familiar with the investigation.

Robert Kelner, an attorney for Flynn, declined to comment. The US Attorney's Office in Alexandria, the Justice Department and the FBI also declined to comment.

Investigators have been looking into possible wrongdoing in how Flynn handled disclosures about payments from clients tied to foreign governments including Russia and Turkey, US officials briefed on the matter have told CNN.

The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division.

Flynn was forced to resign as Trump's national security advisor in February after failing to disclose the nature of phone discussions with Russia's ambassador in Washington, Sergey Kislyak.

Congressional investigators have also accused Flynn of possibly breaking the law by not properly disclosing a $45,000 payment for an appearance he made at an event in Moscow to celebrate Russia Today. The Russian government-funded news outlet that US intelligence agencies say played a key role in disseminating stolen emails intended to damage the candidacy of Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.
Flynn's lawyer, Robert Kelner, has said that Flynn was not hiding anything, noting that he briefed the DIA on his trip to Russia.

"As has previously been reported, General Flynn briefed the Defense Intelligence Agency, a component agency of DoD, extensively regarding the RT speaking event trip both before and after the trip, and he answered any questions that were posed by DIA concerning the trip during those briefings," Kelner said in a statement
In March, Flynn's lobbying firm registered as a foreign agent for the Turkish government, under a $500,000 contract.

Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, emerged in 2015 as a strident critic of the Obama administration, which fired him. He built a close relationship last year with then-candidate Trump and became a frequent Trump campaign surrogate before assuming a brief tenure as national security advisor.

US Attorney Dana Boente, whose office issued the subpoenas, is also leading the investigation into WikiLeaks and the effort to bring possible charges against the group's founder, Julian Assange. Boente is also acting as head of the Justice Department's national security section.

The FBI interviewed Flynn about the December calls with Kislyak and determined that he wasn't intentionally trying to be deceptive about the nature of what was discussed, according to US officials briefed on the investigation. But investigators have been investigating Flynn's business ties after he left the government and before he joined the Trump administration.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/ ... bi-russia/
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He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said.
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Trump had grown angry with the Russia investigation — particularly Comey admitting in front of the Senate that the FBI was investigating his campaign — and that the FBI director wouldn't support his claims that President Barack Obama had tapped his phones in Trump Tower.
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By Tuesday evening, the president was watching the coverage of his decision and frustrated no one was on TV defending him, a White House official said. He wanted surrogates out there beating the drum.
Instead, advisers were attacking each other for not realizing the gravity of the situation as events blew up. "How are you not defending your position for three solid hours on TV?" the White House aide said.
Two White House officials said there was little communications strategy in handling the firing, and that staffers were given talking points late Tuesday for hastily arranged media appearances. Aides soon circulated previous quotes from Schumer hitting Comey. After Schumer called for a special prosecutor, the White House huddled in press secretary Sean Spicer's office to devise a strategy and sent "fresh faces" to TV, one White House official said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/1 ... sia-238192
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First subpoena a Senate Committee has issued since the 9/11 investigation.

No big deal. Nothing to see here. :coffee:

If they're up for subpoenaing Flynn for refusing to provide documents... Carter Page will probably also be getting one fairly soon.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:First subpoena a Senate Committee has issued since the 9/11 investigation.

No big deal. Nothing to see here. :coffee:

If they're up for subpoenaing Flynn for refusing to provide documents... Carter Page will probably also be getting one fairly soon.
All the pieces of the puzzle are out there for anyone who cares to look at them logically-

A few guys- Flynn for sure- are going to be in trouble for non-declaration, and there isn't going to be anything after that.

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You're confident the FinCEN part of this isn't going to come up with anything?

I mean, I sure as hell don't know. We haven't heard much at all about it. But, there's a reason they're involved...
and there's a reason the Senate Intelligence Committee (who has access far more than any of us or the press) is eager to see their evidence.

But, you seem pretty confident that there's nothing there. Why?
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Oh look at this from the well known liberal rumor monger - Wall Street Journal
In the weeks before President Donald Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, a federal investigation into potential collusion between Trump associates and the Russian government was heating up, as Mr. Comey became increasingly occupied with the probe.

Mr. Comey started receiving daily instead of weekly updates on the investigation, beginning at least three weeks ago, according to people with knowledge of the matter and the progress of the Federal Bureau of Investigation probe. Mr. Comey was concerned by information showing potential evidence of collusion, according to these people.
FBI and Senate investigations into Mr. Flynn, which had been looking into the nature of his contacts with Russia before he joined the White House, expanded in recent weeks to include an examination of Mr. Flynn’s tenure as Mr. Trump’s chief security adviser, people familiar with the probe said.
Investigators are interested in companies that have done business with Mr. Trump or have connections with him, said people familiar with the matter. That could include businesses associated with members of Mr. Trump’s family, such as Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law turned aide who was formerly the CEO of his family’s real-estate business, Kushner Cos., one person said.

With his concerns mounting, Mr. Comey last week sought more resources to support the bureau’s investigation, which began last July. He requested additional personnel from Rod Rosenstein, who had been recently installed as the deputy attorney general, overseeing the FBI, people familiar with the discussions said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/james-come ... 1494433061
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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой!

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CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:First subpoena a Senate Committee has issued since the 9/11 investigation.

No big deal. Nothing to see here. :coffee:

If they're up for subpoenaing Flynn for refusing to provide documents... Carter Page will probably also be getting one fairly soon.
All the pieces of the puzzle are out there for anyone who cares to look at them logically-

A few guys- Flynn for sure- are going to be in trouble for non-declaration, and there isn't going to be anything after that.

It is going to be very disappointing for some folks in a few months

We were all so hoping for a couple of dozen sealed indictments by now :(
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