Remember 2016 When Gas Was Under $2 Per Gallon?

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houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: It wasn't the earthquake that did Fukushima in, it was the tsunami.
my bad...coastal fault lines.

Come to think of it maybe Oklahoma would be a great place to centralize nuclear energy production.... clearly god already hates them judging by all the tornados and earthquakes and the populace will swallow whatever you tell them.
Here is the wiki on the whole Fukushima event. Only one of the reactors (the one with its backup systems not in flood proof buildings) went down...unfortunately that is all it takes. I do agree that there needs to be backup systems upon backup systems if nuclear is to be considered a viable option. But using Fukushima as an excuse/reason to not consider nuclear is plain stupid.

Note: another nuclear plant in the area was fine...it had all the propert flood and earthquake provisions to protect its backup systems. Per wiki:
"Fukushima II was also struck by the tsunami. However, it had incorporated design changes that improved its resistance to flooding, reducing flood damage. Generators and related electrical distribution equipment were located in the watertight reactor building, so that power from the electricity grid was being used by midnight.[69] Seawater pumps for cooling were protected from flooding, and although 3 of 4 initially failed, they were restored to operation."

Engineering FTW. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote: EC(b) and the South FTW! :clap:

TVA just brought a Nuke plant on line a few months ago.

https://www.tva.gov/Energy/Our-Power-Sy ... lear-Plant
Looks like you have a few close to you. Good luck. :kisswink:

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When was the last accident due to the nuclear facility itself? Chernoybl? 3 Mile Island?

Meanwhile, who builds a reactor so close to a shoreline?
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Ibanez wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Looks like you have a few close to you. Good luck. :kisswink:

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When was the last accident due to the nuclear facility itself? Chernoybl? 3 Mile Island?

Meanwhile, who builds a reactor so close to a shoreline?
I'm just bullshitting.

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Grizalltheway wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
I did read it. It talks about energy production. It doesn't talk about capacity. It also talks in percentages. According to EIA in 2015 solar was 0.6%. So it can increase by 100% next year and journalists write articles to make people go "WOW!" but it will still only be 1.2% of energy production.

As others have mentioned we need an all of the above approach. My employer has coal, hydro, natural gas, wind, solar, and diesel in our energy mix. We are currently looking at adding more wind and more solar. Never put all your eggs in one basket.

:coffee:
I'm not suggesting an eggs in one basket approach. I'm just saying that the sooner we start seriously trying to phase out fossil fuels, the better. :thumb:
This. And what never seems to get considered is the massive advantages given through subsidies and externalities to fossil fuel.
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houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: It wasn't the earthquake that did Fukushima in, it was the tsunami.
my bad...coastal fault lines.

Come to think of it maybe Oklahoma would be a great place to centralize nuclear energy production.... clearly god already hates them judging by all the tornados and earthquakes and the populace will swallow whatever you tell them.
White people love pipelines. If you call it the Pipeline Fission Plant they'd totally support it and probably not even realize it's nuclear.
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kalm wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I'm not suggesting an eggs in one basket approach. I'm just saying that the sooner we start seriously trying to phase out fossil fuels, the better. :thumb:
This. And what never seems to get considered is the massive advantages given through subsidies and externalities to fossil fuel.
Everything is subsidized and has externalities. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
When was the last accident due to the nuclear facility itself? Chernoybl? 3 Mile Island?

Meanwhile, who builds a reactor so close to a shoreline?
I'm just bullshitting.

And Japs.
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HI54UNI wrote:
kalm wrote:
This. And what never seems to get considered is the massive advantages given through subsidies and externalities to fossil fuel.
Everything is subsidized and has externalities. :coffee:
Some more than others and for a longer time. :coffee:
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Under $2/gal? I haven't seen that this year. The closest I've seen is one of our local ARCOs at $2.15. There are still places where gas is over $3/gal....
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SuperHornet wrote:Under $2/gal? I haven't seen that this year. The closest I've seen is one of our local ARCOs at $2.15. There are still places where gas is over $3/gal....
Yeah well California sucks.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Under $2/gal? I haven't seen that this year. The closest I've seen is one of our local ARCOs at $2.15. There are still places where gas is over $3/gal....
Yeah well California sucks.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Under $2/gal? I haven't seen that this year. The closest I've seen is one of our local ARCOs at $2.15. There are still places where gas is over $3/gal....
Yeah well California sucks.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
bandl wrote: no
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See what I mean, Flaggy?
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bandl wrote:See what I mean, Flaggy?
Yes. Just ignore him. He has been like that since he was a kid.

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CAA Flagship wrote:
bandl wrote:See what I mean, Flaggy?
Yes. Just ignore him. He has been like that since he was a kid.

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Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Yes. Just ignore him. He has been like that since he was a kid.

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How would you know? Are you my real dad? WHY DID YOU LEAVE?!?
Again. The picture. :coffee:
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ASUG8 wrote:
93henfan wrote:I don't understand why people always take sides on US energy. Fucking do it all. Carbon-based, sun-based, wind-based, hydro, nuclear, etc.
It's all the NIMBY's. People want all this stuff out in the god-forsaken desert, not messing up their view with solar panels or disrupting their cookouts with the sound of the windmills in their backyards or off the shoreline. I'm all for nuclear power and clean coal, but I won't be a hypocrite and say that I'd like to be close to the plants.
I live 10.7 miles straight line from the plant in Iowa. My house is in the "You're instantly fucked" zone of the "OH SHIT, THE DUANE ARNOLD PLANT IS MELTING DOWN". It's never crossed my mind outside of the first Wednesday of every month at 10 AM when they test the "OH SHIT, THE DUANE ARNOLD PLANT IS MELTING DOWN...EVERYONE RUN BEFORE YOU'RE FUCKED" sirens. I've typically forgotten about that test and the first 3 or 4 seconds of each test I have a bit of a "fuck" moment but then it's gone for another month.

From the main roads around it the place is even nearly impossible to see. The roads to get to it are locked/guarded.

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I guess that's partially a lie. The steam plume that rolls of that plant is visible for 30+ miles from the plant. So I guess, technically, everyone thinks about it every day to some extent.

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The plant opened in 1974 on a 40 year licence. That licence was extended through 2034 a couple years ago. Seems that no one in the area actually cares about "the risk"


MidAmerica Energy voted against a second Iowa plant a few years ago though.
In March of 2011, the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan was intensely damaged by a tsunami, and the plant’s near meltdown became the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl in 1986. Though plant workers successfully averted a complete nuclear meltdown, there was a heavy release of radioactive material into Japan’s environment and a sparked debate on the future of nuclear energy. It was more than a year later in February of 2012 that an Iowa Poll found 77 percent of Iowa residents opposed MidAmerican Energy plans to charge customers for the planning and construction of a second nuclear power plant in the state.

The 2011 Japan disaster instilled a worldwide debate over the future of nuclear power, and just this week, MidAmerican announced it would not pursue Iowa’s second nuclear plant. MidAmerican vice president for regulatory affairs Dean Crist told The Des Moines Register that the company “opted for what was in the best interest of our customers.” The decision puts the Duane Arnold plant alone in Iowa’s nuclear energy affair, and also puts a halt on the future of nuclear energy debate in Iowa and how to pay for the plant.

Mid­American will now focus on its $1.9 million investment to build approximately 656 wind turbines across Iowa.

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SDHornet wrote:
houndawg wrote:
my bad...coastal fault lines.

Come to think of it maybe Oklahoma would be a great place to centralize nuclear energy production.... clearly god already hates them judging by all the tornados and earthquakes and the populace will swallow whatever you tell them.
Here is the wiki on the whole Fukushima event. Only one of the reactors (the one with its backup systems not in flood proof buildings) went down...unfortunately that is all it takes. I do agree that there needs to be backup systems upon backup systems if nuclear is to be considered a viable option. But using Fukushima as an excuse/reason to not consider nuclear is plain stupid.

Note: another nuclear plant in the area was fine...it had all the propert flood and earthquake provisions to protect its backup systems. Per wiki:
"Fukushima II was also struck by the tsunami. However, it had incorporated design changes that improved its resistance to flooding, reducing flood damage. Generators and related electrical distribution equipment were located in the watertight reactor building, so that power from the electricity grid was being used by midnight.[69] Seawater pumps for cooling were protected from flooding, and although 3 of 4 initially failed, they were restored to operation."

Engineering FTW. :coffee:
yeah, thats a real "win".
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Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Double down on alternatives and cut these pukes down to size. :thumb:
:lol:

Yeah, lemme know the day when I can power my car with a windmill.

Finish the Keystone XL, open up ANWR, and fire up the coal plants. :nod:
That would be today for your Tersla. :thumb:
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SuperHornet wrote:Under $2/gal? I haven't seen that this year. The closest I've seen is one of our local ARCOs at $2.15. There are still places where gas is over $3/gal....
$1.89 two weeks ago, $2.03 right now. My truck loves it.


Thanks Obama! :notworthy:

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