The Education Factor

[Rob Iola]

When I was in college I wrote for the school newspaper. Our office received English Language copies Gramma, the official newspaper of the Central Committee of the Cuban Communist Party. I've told my wife a number of times that the Trump campaign called that newspaper to mind. Just total dishonest propaganda. Way beyond the pale of what the admittedly dishonest normal range of what political campaigns do. Just a bunch of really obvious, blatant lies and bluster.

We have effectively elected a Castro...a Hitler...a Mussolini...as President of the United States. Well, not "we." I can proudly say I had no part in it. But the People.

It's a really, really good thing that we have a system that will probably keep that horrible decision from becoming an Irréversible problem. At least I hope so. I really AM worried about him trying to control what agencies report in order to maintain his chosen narrative in the face of reality. I really do think he's going to try to do that.

Our free press needs to gird itself because it is about to be seriously challenged. We have a person with a dictator mentality in the White House.

No Presidential candidate had a bigger campaign advantage than Hillary. She had a MASSIVE ground game. Full financial support from the DNC. Spent much more money on her campaign than Trump. Had insiders cheating for her. Had the sitting President and First Lady campaign for her. Had pop stars support her. Had the biggest resume than any candidate before and was running against someone with NO public experience. Had a 9 to 1 media advantage. Had the "advantage" of multiple verbal gaffes by her opponent.

Yet.......

.....SHE LOST.

is that because of a lack of education by the voters? Or is it because SHE had more flaws and the voters recognized it?

But she got more votes than Trump - that's gotta count for something, doesn't it?

[CAA Flagship]

No Presidential candidate had a bigger campaign advantage than Hillary. She had a MASSIVE ground game. Full financial support from the DNC. Spent much more money on her campaign than Trump. Had insiders cheating for her. Had the sitting President and First Lady campaign for her. Had pop stars support her. Had the biggest resume than any candidate before and was running against someone with NO public experience. Had a 9 to 1 media advantage. Had the "advantage" of multiple verbal gaffes by her opponent.

Yet.......

.....SHE LOST.

is that because of a lack of education by the voters? Or is it because SHE had more flaws and the voters recognized it?

But she got more votes than Trump - that's gotta count for something, doesn't it?

Yes. Hillary gets a Donald Trump Chia. The hair will grow the more you lie when talking to it.

[YoUDeeMan]

JSO joins the stupid in backing Hillary.

All those so-called smart people were too dumb to see the obvious...Trump was the better candidate.

And JSO's wife joined the tooth fairy losers that hijacked the Republican party...and have now been sent packing.

Hey, JSO, have you told your wife that you think she is bat crazy because she likes dogs?

[93henfan]

Speaking of higher education, they're melting at Stanford and Berkeley:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... nowflakes/

The trigger warning babies aren't handling this election stuff very well.

[YoUDeeMan]

Speaking of higher education, they're melting at Stanford and Berkeley:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... nowflakes/

The trigger warning babies aren't handling this election stuff very well.

"By the way, I just ran into a working-class Hispanic immigrant friend. He’s not worried. He said, “A lot of Latino people, we know that Trump was really just saying that the immigration should be done the right way. We know he’s not really against us. Who hired all the Latinos to build his buildings? Trump. It’s not such a bad thing that he wants immigration by the rules.” For what that’s worth."

Nice to see that some of the Latinos didn't fall for Hillary's garbage.

[hitchinaride]

Another BTW: When I look for High IQ proxies I look at educational attainment level and income. When it comes to educational attainment level the Post Grad group was overwhelmingly for Clinton. 58% to 37%. My recollection is I've never seen a gap that big in that group.

When it comes to income the Republican usually controls. For example Romney won the $100K or more income group by 54% to 44% in 2012. But this time it's pretty much a statistical tie. Trump by 48% to 47% in the sample. But obviously that's essentially a draw.

So in 2012 Post Grads favored Obama by 13% points while the top income group defined favored Romney by 10% points. This time Post Grads favored Clinton by 21% points and the comparable income group favored Trump by 1% point in the sample. To me it's pretty obvious that when you're talking about the "Cognitive Elite" they were more in favor of Clinton over Trump than they were in favor of Obama over Romney.

Unfortunately Democracy demands that we have to allow those who are not among the Cognitive Elite to vote. And so we must suffer this atrocity.

Hello Margaret Sanger. I guess you support eugenics as well. Attitudes like yours are THE REASON Hillary lost. Goddamn, what arrogance!

[hitchinaride]

Speaking of higher education, they're melting at Stanford and Berkeley:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... nowflakes/

The trigger warning babies aren't handling this election stuff very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhUivqzWv0

[Rob Iola]

But she got more votes than Trump - that's gotta count for something, doesn't it?

Yes. Hillary gets a Donald Trump Chia. The hair will grow the more you lie when talking to it.

Middle school health class would be so much better if there was a "Learn About Puberty Chia Pet". And yes I stole that...

[OL FU]

The "We are smarter than you" crowd is one of the reasons trump won. Thx for joining

Trump won because for some reason a whole bunch of people ignored the obvious. I don't know why they did it. But they did.

Well...that and he was running against such a bad candidate on the Democrat side. If he'd been running against Obama like Romney had to do he'd have been destroyed. Also probably would've been destroyed by Sanders.

I'm sure Clinton at this point has realized that her decision to have a private server may very well have cost her the Presidency. She's way more qualified for the job and we'd be a hell of a lot better off if she'd won. But she screwed up big time by doing that.

The bolded part is more the reason he won than your first sentence. Give everyone two bad choices and they will go with the one that that perceive less bad whether their perception is right or wrong.

[Baldy]

Trump won because for some reason a whole bunch of people ignored the obvious. I don't know why they did it. But they did.

Trump won because The Hildabeast was the most unfit, the most flawed, the most corrupt candidate to ever run for president of the United States. I don't know why your obsession with Trump has clouded what should be obvious common sense judgment, but in your case it has.

It's also funny how you now claim IQ scores are such a major factor. You have spilled so much ink on this forum making the claim how low blacks score on standardized IQ tests. Blacks did, and always have voted as a block for Donk candidates. They voted in block for The Hildabeast, so please try and explain that dichotomy.

Then again, don't. Fuck it, its over. Take your ball and just go home.

[Ivytalk]

Another BTW: When I look for High IQ proxies I look at educational attainment level and income. When it comes to educational attainment level the Post Grad group was overwhelmingly for Clinton. 58% to 37%. My recollection is I've never seen a gap that big in that group.

When it comes to income the Republican usually controls. For example Romney won the $100K or more income group by 54% to 44% in 2012. But this time it's pretty much a statistical tie. Trump by 48% to 47% in the sample. But obviously that's essentially a draw.

So in 2012 Post Grads favored Obama by 13% points while the top income group defined favored Romney by 10% points. This time Post Grads favored Clinton by 21% points and the comparable income group favored Trump by 1% point in the sample. To me it's pretty obvious that when you're talking about the "Cognitive Elite" they were more in favor of Clinton over Trump than they were in favor of Obama over Romney.

Unfortunately Democracy demands that we have to allow those who are not among the Cognitive Elite to vote. And so we must suffer this atrocity.

Awesome post, Dr. Mengele.

[Gil Dobie]

So you are saying, the poor people that could not afford to go to school, had the common sense to see past Hillary's BS.

[CAA Flagship]

"By the way, I just ran into a working-class Hispanic immigrant friend.

Get your damn brakes fixed, or your glasses updated.

[ASUG8]

There is not enough information here for me to assess. I need numbers (votes) with the percentages.

Here are the exit polling results from 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... lls.0.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/result ... president/

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results ... /president

I think the quality of the reporting of the results is decreasing over time. But you can still get what you need.
It's pretty darned clear that Trump did better among less educated people than he did among more educated people. I should mention that Clinton did better among the lowest income people. But there was no big advantage for Trump among the higher income people. It was pretty close to a tie there.

You lost me at "cnn.com".

[YoUDeeMan]

"By the way, I just ran into a working-class Hispanic immigrant friend.

Get your damn brakes fixed, or your glasses updated.

I could have run into him without being in a car...just two people colliding (no homo), IF it was me telling the story (it was a quote from the link in the above post).

But yeah, that was funny...for an Eyetalion.

[CAA Flagship]

Get your damn brakes fixed, or your glasses updated.

I could have run into him without being in a car...just two people colliding (no homo), IF it was me telling the story (it was a quote from the link in the above post).

But yeah, that was funny...for an Eyetalion.

*Wop

[GannonFan]

Another BTW: When I look for High IQ proxies I look at educational attainment level and income. When it comes to educational attainment level the Post Grad group was overwhelmingly for Clinton. 58% to 37%. My recollection is I've never seen a gap that big in that group.

When it comes to income the Republican usually controls. For example Romney won the $100K or more income group by 54% to 44% in 2012. But this time it's pretty much a statistical tie. Trump by 48% to 47% in the sample. But obviously that's essentially a draw.

So in 2012 Post Grads favored Obama by 13% points while the top income group defined favored Romney by 10% points. This time Post Grads favored Clinton by 21% points and the comparable income group favored Trump by 1% point in the sample. To me it's pretty obvious that when you're talking about the "Cognitive Elite" they were more in favor of Clinton over Trump than they were in favor of Obama over Romney.

Unfortunately Democracy demands that we have to allow those who are not among the Cognitive Elite to vote. And so we must suffer this atrocity.

Awesome post, Dr. Mengele.

Seriously. Before I thought JSO just didn't have any principles. Now I have evidence he's immoral as well. I think he's upset that Trump isn't really a Nazi because otherwise JSO would be right there with him.

[Ivytalk]

Awesome post, Dr. Mengele.

Seriously. Before I thought JSO just didn't have any principles. Now I have evidence he's immoral as well. I think he's upset that Trump isn't really a Nazi because otherwise JSO would be right there with him.

JSO comes from the long line of "social scientists" like John Dewey, Herbert Croly, and Woodrow Wilson, who favored the rule of expert elites and distrusted democracy. Obama is a disciple of that school, as is Clinton. Look where we are now. Thanks, JSO.

[HI54UNI]

I saw an exit poll that said that Trump did better with Electoral College graduates by a margin of 306-232.

[YoUDeeMan]

I saw an exit poll that said that Trump did better with Electoral College graduates by a margin of 306-232.

Yeah, 93 hit it out of the park with that one!

[HI54UNI]

Yeah, 93 hit it out of the park with that one!

And it sailed right over JSO's head on the way out.

[catbooster]

So this thread is to prove that education and book learnin' does not correlate with common sense or wisdom?

I think we knew that.

[Gil Dobie]

Unfortunately Democracy demands that we have to allow those who are not among the Cognitive Elite to vote. And so we must suffer this atrocity.

This has been the mantra of the Clinton supporters since the election. If you don't agree with us, you are not educated, you are backwards, you are red necks from the 1950's, etc, etc. 52.2 percent of all voters did not vote for Hillary. Neither candidate had a majority.

[JohnStOnge]

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No Presidential candidate had a bigger campaign advantage than Hillary. She had a MASSIVE ground game. Full financial support from the DNC. Spent much more money on her campaign than Trump. Had insiders cheating for her. Had the sitting President and First Lady campaign for her. Had pop stars support her. Had the biggest resume than any candidate before and was running against someone with NO public experience. Had a 9 to 1 media advantage. Had the "advantage" of multiple verbal gaffes by her opponent.

Yet.......

.....SHE LOST.

is that because of a lack of education by the voters? Or is it because SHE had more flaws and the voters recognized it?

The fact that she had flaws was a factor. Lack of education was also a factor. Trump's campaign put out a lot of misinformation and people bought it. I think probably there was an association between education and being less likely to buy it.

Just an example near the end: When Comey wrote his letter Trump and his campaign started saying he wouldn't have done that unless they'd seen REAL evidence of wrongdoing. The term "smoking gun" was used. They knew that wasn't true. The letter clearly said they didn't know what the content was and they hadn't even gotten a warrant.

Then when Comey said very late in the game that there was nothing there the line was "it's not possible to go through 600,000 e mails in 9 days." Again, they knew that's not true. But they were spreading misinformation and I'm sure there were people who bought it. And I think there was that association between being more educated and being less likely to be fooled by that.

Of course, if Hillary had never been so foolish as to use a private server as she did that particular misinformation angle would never have been available to the Trump campaign.

And yes if you're going to ask the Trump campaign was WAY worse about using misinformation as a tactic than the Clinton campaign was. Of course you guys just refuse to believe all the reporting on that that's out there. Stuff like him getting 59 "Four Pinocchios" awards from the Washington Post as compared to Clinton's 7 and having 70% of his rated statements tabbed as "Mostly False," "False," or "Pants on Fire" vs. Clinton's 26%. Donald Trump says that's just the lying media and of course what Donald Trump says is true. I think there's an association between education and being less likely to buy that "lying media" crap as well.

Bottom line is that there was the clearest and strongest association between being more educated and being less likely to vote for the Republican that there's ever been. I think there's a reason for that.

[CAA Flagship]