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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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GannonFan wrote: This is where I blame Obama a little. I was watching a PBS show last week when traveling - the show was about political campaigns. Obama's campaign in 2008 was masterful, and watching it again you realize why - he had so much potential to change the political narrative as he seemed like he could move past the tit for tat quagmire that has been our system for at least since the first Clinton. The fact that he not only failed but fully descended to that system is always going to be a significant blemish on his Presidency. He kept the environment going that led to Trump.

I blame JSO as well. :rofl:
Well said. And ditto on JSO. :lol:
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SDHornet wrote:So who is high turnout suppose to favor in this thing? I get the high turnout favoring Obama in his elections, but hilldog doesn't seem to get the excitement of "those people" going this time around. Does that mean a lot of Trump folks are hitting the polls? Just curious.
I don't think anyone really knows.

For instance, there has been much ado about increased Team Brown turnout in Florida, double that of 2012. This would seem great for Hillary, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I just saw CNN break this down earlier tonight. They said this means an additional 400K Hispanic voters this election. BUT, white turnout is also up 29%. They said that means an additional 900K white voters.

So, does 400K browns help Hillary more than 900K whites helps Trump?
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Dixville Notch, NH is first reporting precinct with 8 votes.

4 votes Clinton
2 votes Trump
1 vote Johnson
1 vote write-in Romney
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CAA Flagship wrote:"Trump. Trump. Richest nigga in the hood. Trump. Trump." :lol:

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JohnStOnge wrote:
kalm wrote:
Your party and your way of thinking gave rise to Trump. Congrats! :clap:
The Libertarian Party gave rise to Trump? How so?

I will say that I am thinking of changing my party registration. But i've been registered as a Libertarian for something like 30 years.

BTW, I am NOT thinking of changing to Republican. I have pretty consistently voted Republican in national elections based on a "vote for someone who has a chance to win" outlook. But as of now I'm feeling like I will never vote Republican again due to the Republican Party selecting Trump as its nominee.
Nobody gives a fvck how a bizarre assneck in a deep red state is going to vote.

Vote for the favking rhinestone goddamn cowboy for all we care. Shithole bayou bumpkin state is going to fall hard to Trump anyway

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That's interesting. There are differences between that and 538's "polls only" forecast map. Haven't checked every State but one real obvious thing is that 538 has both North Carolina leaning Clinton by the polls it uses while RCP has them both leaning Trump. Hopefully 538 is correct.

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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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JohnStOnge wrote:
That's interesting. There are differences between that and 538's "polls only" forecast map. Haven't checked every State but oI can see that 538 has North Carolina, Florida, and Nevada leaning Clinton by the polls it uses while RCP has them leaning Trump. Hopefully 538 is correct.

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JohnStOnge wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
That's interesting. There are differences between that and 538's "polls only" forecast map. Haven't checked every State but oI can see that 538 has North Carolina, Florida, and Nevada leaning Clinton by the polls it uses while RCP has them leaning Trump. Hopefully 538 is correct.

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Interesting that as of when I'm typing this they are pretty consistent with each other in the popular vote. 538 has Clinton up by 3.6 percentage points while RCP has her up 3.3 percentage points in a four way race.
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Interesting that as of when I'm typing this 538 and RCP are pretty consistent with each other in the popular vote. 538 has Clinton up by 3.6 percentage points while RCP has her up 3.3 percentage points in a four way race.

Let's just hope the Clinton Campaign/Democratic Party advantage in organization pays dividends.
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SDHornet wrote:So who is high turnout suppose to favor in this thing? I get the high turnout favoring Obama in his elections, but hilldog doesn't seem to get the excitement of "those people" going this time around. Does that mean a lot of Trump folks are hitting the polls? Just curious.
The conventional wisdom is that high turnout portends well for Democrats. I'm hoping the conventional wisdom holds. It's true that the core Trump true believers are unusually motivated. And there are those who are not core believers who are motivated by hatred of Clinton. But I think Trump motivates people both ways. He provides a good villain for the Democrats to use in ginning up turnout on their side and I hope that's a factor. I'm especially hoping that the historically high turnout among Hispanics, particularly in Florida, means something.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ ... story.html

I thought about that a few days ago when there was a discussion of Black turnout in Florida being down a little on TV. They were showing this chart and it did show that the percentage of votes cast by Blacks was down from 2012 in Florida. But I noted that on their chart White turnout had gone from 74% in 2012 to 70% in 2016. They didn't discuss that but it was on the chart. And it's because of Hispanics. If that holds and Whites are a smaller proportion of the electorate that's a factor in Clinton's favor.

But what will be will be. I will play whatever hand is dealt. This is one of those "Serenity Prayer" situations.
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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Well it's D-Day. Looking at 538's last projection for the 2012 race at http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... cast/?_r=0 kind of puts the relative uncertainty of this one into perspective. Obama was given a 90.9 percent chance of winning. As of now the 538 Polls Plus forecast has Clinton as having a 72.2 percent chance.

They were pretty close on the Electoral College last time. They projected Obama by 313 to 225 and it ended up being 332 to 206. As of now they're projecting Hillary by 302 to 235. I do think SDHornet asked legitimate questions about the potentially unusual turnout situation. More than anything else there are a lot of people who really hate Trump and a lot of people who really hate Hillary. I don't know if there's been a candidate in my lifetime hated as much as either one of these two are. There could be a lot of hate-driven turnout.

I'll just kick back and remember that there can be positives either way. I think it'd be best for the country if Clinton wins. And if Trump wins there's the Supreme Court thing. Also I can hope that he doesn't actually do the trade war stuff. If he does cause a severe economic disturbance as most economists think he would if he does the things he's been saying he'll do I should personally be OK. And even though I do think that he represents a higher risk of nuclear annihilation that's still a small probability thing.
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The line was 45 minutes long today at my polling station, extending around the building...at 6am!!! My friends (in NoVA) are reporting the same.

I've never experienced that in the last two elections, and I always vote in the morning.
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∞∞∞ wrote:The line was 45 minutes long today at my polling station, extending around the building...at 6am!!! My friends (in NoVA) are reporting the same.

I've never experienced that in the last two elections, and I always vote in the morning.
Do you think those people are standing in line to vote for The Hildabeast?

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Baldy wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:The line was 45 minutes long today at my polling station, extending around the building...at 6am!!! My friends (in NoVA) are reporting the same.

I've never experienced that in the last two elections, and I always vote in the morning.
Do you think those people are standing in line to vote for The Hildabeast?

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Considering the demographics here, probably. Or at least against Trump.

But we'll find out tonight!
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CAA Flagship wrote: A little????

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Yeah, he blew it with that one. But in the end, he just perpetuated the system that was already there - he joined in rather than rising above it. Pity, could've been so much better.
I actually love the comment, because it is true. It says, FU, I won the election and will do what I want. But no person that has any intention of bringing the country together would ever say anything close to that. It's a toxic statement that was not pulled out of thin air. That statement came from the think tank. It was deliberate. It was divisive. And should not be forgotten in the Obama legacy.
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Back from the polls. Voted straight Democratic ticket except our local elections where, unfortunately, no Dems run. Same ole clerk of court, same old probate judge, etc, etc. Lined up at 6:50am and I was #15 and they were pouring in behind me. Welcome our 1st Madame President!!!
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Nobody's going to prison. These are rich and elite people, they don't go to prison. That's how the system works.
Exactly.

Re Pardoning Clinton: this is a non issue. Just a fiction being drummed up by the right. As I understand it, a prerequisite for a pardon is a conviction.
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Wow...6 votes.
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Ibanez wrote:
Wow...6 votes.
And just a heads up, but there's four potentially faithless electors this year (that we know of). Two Washington electors have said there's no chance they'll vote for Clinton, one Texan says no to Trump, and one Georgian is also threatening not to cast a Trump vote.

It's still a long-shot, but faithless electors could swing the election if it's close. But there are post-election procedures that could nullify an electors vote if it swings an election, but it's a long process.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
That's interesting. There are differences between that and 538's "polls only" forecast map. Haven't checked every State but one real obvious thing is that 538 has both North Carolina leaning Clinton by the polls it uses while RCP has them both leaning Trump. Hopefully 538 is correct.

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hitchinaride wrote:Back from the polls. Voted straight Democratic ticket except our local elections where, unfortunately, no Dems run. Same ole clerk of court, same old probate judge, etc, etc. Lined up at 6:50am and I was #15 and they were pouring in behind me. Welcome our 1st Madame President!!!
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I'm still thinking H-Rod in the 350 range for electoral votes.
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Gil Dobie wrote:I'm still thinking H-Rod in the 350 range for electoral votes.
You're high.

I also think you've overestimated her result.
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