Cheney: No 'evidence' of Iraq, 9/11 link

[SeattleGriz]

The only connection between 9/11 and Saddam was that during the 2003-2005 period, liberals tried (pretty successfully to those gullible enough to buy it) to re-write recent history by saying that a 9/11-Iraq connection was our motivation for the war.

I don't recall the Bush Administration making that claim, maybe somebody can post me a link. Perhaps Cheney was just stating something that we knew all along, for those moonbats like Rosie O'Donnell who still think that 9-11 was perpetrated by the CIA, Hare Krishnas and Capn Cat.

Seems like Colin Powell, during his speeches to the UN, mentioned something about WMDs? He is portrayed as the pillar of integrity these days, so was he lying then? Oh, sorry, I forgot- Bush threw some white-out on the intel reports before handing them to Powell.

How many dead Muslims so far? We need to take off the gloves and make this war on Islam the real deal.

God, what a dumb ****.

I tried that link Capn, and it didn't work!

[Cap'n Cat]

God, what a dumb ****.

I tried that link Capn, and it didn't work!

First,

Then,

[BlueHen86]

The only connection between 9/11 and Saddam was that during the 2003-2005 period, liberals tried (pretty successfully to those gullible enough to buy it) to re-write recent history by saying that a 9/11-Iraq connection was our motivation for the war.

I don't recall the Bush Administration making that claim, maybe somebody can post me a link. Perhaps Cheney was just stating something that we knew all along, for those moonbats like Rosie O'Donnell who still think that 9-11 was perpetrated by the CIA, Hare Krishnas and Capn Cat.

Seems like Colin Powell, during his speeches to the UN, mentioned something about WMDs? He is portrayed as the pillar of integrity these days, so was he lying then? Oh, sorry, I forgot- Bush threw some white-out on the intel reports before handing them to Powell.
How many dead Muslims so far? We need to take off the gloves and make this war on Islam the real deal.

Powell did mention WMD's while at the UN, in great detail. He even presented pictures of what we were told were mobile labs used to produce WMD's. Turns out the pictures were not what we thought, I think they were of a water truck.

I always doubted the pictures - if our satelites can locate ond photograph these trucks, why can't we tell the guys on the ground where they were?

Anyway - it's clear that either Powell lied to the UN, or he was given bad info. I don't consider it that far fetched that the Bush Admin. knew the info was bad, and presented it anyway. They were probably so sure that we would find WMD's nobody would notice if we fabricated stuff.

[SeattleGriz]

I tried that link Capn, and it didn't work!

First,

Then,

I don't recall the Bush Administration making that claim, maybe somebody can post me a link. Perhaps Cheney was just stating something that we knew all along, for those moonbats like Rosie O'Donnell who still think that 9-11 was perpetrated by the CIA, Hare Krishnas and Capn Cat.

God, what a dumb ****.

A little obscure on my part, but funny nonetheless. You want a google link that it was funny? I can provide that as well!!!

[Cap'n Cat]

First,

Then,

I don't recall the Bush Administration making that claim, maybe somebody can post me a link. Perhaps Cheney was just stating something that we knew all along, for those moonbats like Rosie O'Donnell who still think that 9-11 was perpetrated by the CIA, Hare Krishnas and Capn Cat.

God, what a dumb ****.

A little obscure on my part, but funny nonetheless. You want a google link that it was funny? I can provide that as well!!!

SeaTac,
Saw a documentary long ago about Colin Powell and it chronicled the behind the scenes shit that went on with Rummy, Cheney and Dubya setting up Powell for that UN speech. He was mortally embarrassed when he found out the truth later and it's one of the reasons he got out of the administration. He couldn't take the hits to his credibility. MOF, I mentioned Dubya, but he was completely oblivious to what was really a Rummy and Cheney end-around looking for internatioanl legitimacy for an attack on Iraq.

Do I have a link? No. Do I need one? No. But if you search, you'll find the story documented in many places, I'm 100% sure. Shouldn'ta called you a dumbfuck, but I couldn't believe you were serious. Still, sorry.

Look it up. It's all true.

[SeattleGriz]

A little obscure on my part, but funny nonetheless. You want a google link that it was funny? I can provide that as well!!!

SeaTac,
Saw a documentary long ago about Colin Powell and it chronicled the behind the scenes **** that went on with Rummy, Cheney and Dubya setting up Powell for that UN speech. He was mortally embarrassed when he found out the truth later and it's one of the reasons he got out of the administration. He couldn't take the hits to his credibility. MOF, I mentioned Dubya, but he was completely oblivious to what was really a Rummy and Cheney end-around looking for internatioanl legitimacy for an attack on Iraq.

Do I have a link? No. Do I need one? No. But if you search, you'll find the story documented in many places, I'm 100% sure. Shouldn'ta called you a ****, but I couldn't believe you were serious. Still, sorry.

Look it up. It's all true.

I think you missed my post earlier in the thread about self referencing. I have been talking about this "mythical" guy who layed out exactly why we went to war with Saddam. Went to google to finally find out what his name actually was. It is on the first page, but here is the quote:

Well if it wasn't out there before, it is now. I just googled "bob levaqua fox news" and up came a link to my thread on CS.com!!!!



So, that's how it works. Just flood message boards with whatever you feel like saying and then you automatically have a reference.

I am now afraid to google, "Capn anal beads".

[Cap'n Cat]

Sorry, Seattle. I guess I'm exposed as not quite so smart as I think I am.

[SeattleGriz]

Sorry, Seattle. I guess I'm exposed as not quite so smart as I think I am.

No worries my good brother. I don't know what the hell I am talking about 75% of the time. I just regurgitate talking points!!!

[Cap'n Cat]

Sorry, Seattle. I guess I'm exposed as not quite so smart as I think I am.

No worries my good brother. I don't know what the hell I am talking about 75% of the time. I just regurgitate talking points!!!

[ChetSteadman]

Sorry, Seattle. I guess I'm exposed as not quite so smart as I think I am.

I have a screen shot of this, it will be useful in the future.

[Cap'n Cat]

Sorry, Seattle. I guess I'm exposed as not quite so smart as I think I am.

I have a screen shot of this, it will be useful in the future.

"Why, I oughta...."

[CID1990]

I don't think any of the above is very far fetched, but again... Colin Powell is a pretty smart fella. I just find it amusing that GWB is such a retard one minute, but then when it comes to fooling Powell, he is the most clever Iago.

Whether the books were cooked or not, I still believe that Bush believed the intel just as much as those in Congress and his cabinet. From where I sit (which is one floor away from where Powell was sitting back then) it just comes as a foregone conclusion that you have to have a very unlikely cast of characters and willing accomplices to cook the books on intel like that.

I remember the water truck, but what stuck out in my mind at the time was the delivery system on that MiG 23 (or MiG 27... they are basically the same plane) spraying whatever it was spraying. Obviously it was a delivery system for either chemicals or aerosolized bio agents. Whether it was footage from before or after Desert Storm, I don't know. But I remember sitting there, thinking that Colin Powell has made a pretty damn good case. So was he that dumb? Was Bush that smart? I don't find either option to be believable, especially in the face of a much simpler explanation- the intel was considered reliable at the time.

[houndawg]

I don't think any of the above is very far fetched, but again... Colin Powell is a pretty smart fella. I just find it amusing that GWB is such a retard one minute, but then when it comes to fooling Powell, he is the most clever Iago.

Whether the books were cooked or not, I still believe that Bush believed the intel just as much as those in Congress and his cabinet. From where I sit (which is one floor away from where Powell was sitting back then) it just comes as a foregone conclusion that you have to have a very unlikely cast of characters and willing accomplices to cook the books on intel like that.

I remember the water truck, but what stuck out in my mind at the time was the delivery system on that MiG 23 (or MiG 27... they are basically the same plane) spraying whatever it was spraying. Obviously it was a delivery system for either chemicals or aerosolized bio agents. Whether it was footage from before or after Desert Storm, I don't know. But I remember sitting there, thinking that Colin Powell has made a pretty damn good case. So was he that dumb? Was Bush that smart? I don't find either option to be believable, especially in the face of a much simpler explanation- the intel was considered reliable at the time.

I don't sit anywhere near where you were sitting at the time but it was pretty clear even out here in the sticks that the public was being stampeded into seizing the Iraqi oilfields. I seem to remember being told on national TV by the administration that our next warning could be in the form of a mushroom cloud and that Saddam could launch in 43 minutes, and some bogus documents from Niger were briefly touted as proof of his WMD capability. When that shit was proven bogus it became about saving our little brown brothers from the horrible tyrant Saddam that we put in power back in the 80s. Now we've come full circle and are looking for someone to take Saddam's place as our counterweight to Iran. Meanwhile Osama bin Laden continues to send video greeting cards eight years later while enjoying his health and freedom and the celebrity of a rock star. Great job fellas.

[CID1990]

I don't think any of the above is very far fetched, but again... Colin Powell is a pretty smart fella. I just find it amusing that GWB is such a retard one minute, but then when it comes to fooling Powell, he is the most clever Iago.

Whether the books were cooked or not, I still believe that Bush believed the intel just as much as those in Congress and his cabinet. From where I sit (which is one floor away from where Powell was sitting back then) it just comes as a foregone conclusion that you have to have a very unlikely cast of characters and willing accomplices to cook the books on intel like that.

I remember the water truck, but what stuck out in my mind at the time was the delivery system on that MiG 23 (or MiG 27... they are basically the same plane) spraying whatever it was spraying. Obviously it was a delivery system for either chemicals or aerosolized bio agents. Whether it was footage from before or after Desert Storm, I don't know. But I remember sitting there, thinking that Colin Powell has made a pretty damn good case. So was he that dumb? Was Bush that smart? I don't find either option to be believable, especially in the face of a much simpler explanation- the intel was considered reliable at the time.

I don't sit anywhere near where you were sitting at the time but it was pretty clear even out here in the sticks that the public was being stampeded into seizing the Iraqi oilfields. I seem to remember being told on national TV by the administration that our next warning could be in the form of a mushroom cloud and that Saddam could launch in 43 minutes, and some bogus documents from Niger were briefly touted as proof of his WMD capability. When that **** was proven bogus it became about saving our little brown brothers from the horrible tyrant Saddam that we put in power back in the 80s. Now we've come full circle and are looking for someone to take Saddam's place as our counterweight to Iran. Meanwhile Osama bin Laden continues to send video greeting cards eight years later while enjoying his health and freedom and the celebrity of a rock star. Great job fellas.

Like most people, you are brilliant in hindsight, HD.

[BlueHen86]

I don't sit anywhere near where you were sitting at the time but it was pretty clear even out here in the sticks that the public was being stampeded into seizing the Iraqi oilfields. I seem to remember being told on national TV by the administration that our next warning could be in the form of a mushroom cloud and that Saddam could launch in 43 minutes, and some bogus documents from Niger were briefly touted as proof of his WMD capability. When that **** was proven bogus it became about saving our little brown brothers from the horrible tyrant Saddam that we put in power back in the 80s. Now we've come full circle and are looking for someone to take Saddam's place as our counterweight to Iran. Meanwhile Osama bin Laden continues to send video greeting cards eight years later while enjoying his health and freedom and the celebrity of a rock star. Great job fellas.

Like most people, you are brilliant in hindsight, HD.

I can't speak for houndawg, but I had my doubts ahead of time. Unfortunately, nobody consulted with me.

[Cap'n Cat]

Like every other Cid "grad" here, 90, you're deranged. Houndawg is right.

[Wedgebuster]

Like every other Cid "grad" here, 90, you're deranged. Houndawg is right.

A necessary evil, the RAM for the matrix of the clone army, but surely not for editorial value.

[CID1990]

Well then, the next time our entire government heads for war and you sage old men have better intel be sure to let somebody know, k?

I'll be sure to let somebody down at NSC know that I've found a new think tank.

[Grizalltheway]

Well then, the next time our entire government heads for war and you sage old men have better intel be sure to let somebody know, k?

I'll be sure to let somebody down at NSC know that I've found a new think tank.

Did you ever watch that Frontline special about the war Cid? Bush and Co. were hellbent on going to Iraq from the minute they took office, how we got there was just a pesky detail.

[BlueHen86]

Well then, the next time our entire government heads for war and you sage old men have better intel be sure to let somebody know, k?

I'll be sure to let somebody down at NSC know that I've found a new think tank.

You mean better intel than the pictures of a water truck? Better intel than Iraq having WMD's?


Sounds like the government sets the intel bar pretty low.

[Wedgebuster]

DANGER! DANGER! DANGER!


We're doomed, DOOMED I tell you!!

[CID1990]

Well then, the next time our entire government heads for war and you sage old men have better intel be sure to let somebody know, k?

I'll be sure to let somebody down at NSC know that I've found a new think tank.

You mean better intel than the pictures of a water truck? Better intel than Iraq having WMD's?


Sounds like the government sets the intel bar pretty low.

Not sure what you're saying. I saw Colin Powell's entire presentation to the UN. There was much more than a 'water truck,' which at the time was not known to be a water truck. (Except to maybe a few people posting here, apparently.) It was ultimately a large number of small, unrelated pieces of intel that, taken together, painted a picture of Iraqi WMD programs. I won't go so far as to say that the Bush Administration did not WANT to be led to believe that Saddam was producing or trying to produce those weapons. It is evident that they did want to believe it. However, many people who now decry the war, people on both sides of the aisle saw the same information and drew the same conclusions. (BTW- To Nancy Pelosi's credit, she acknowledged that Saddam had WMDs, but still did not vote for the Iraq war resolution because George Tenet told her that the probability that Saddam would launch a WMD attack on the US was low.)

I don't have a problem with folks who are against the war in hindsight because the intel was bad. I happen to be one of them. I would much prefer, given what we now know, that we were expending all this blood and treasure killing Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. What DOES bother me is that there are so many people who pretend that somehow the bad intel was obvious at the time of its presentation. It is disingenuous, and quite frankly it insults people's intelligence.

[BlueHen86]

You mean better intel than the pictures of a water truck? Better intel than Iraq having WMD's?


Sounds like the government sets the intel bar pretty low.

Not sure what you're saying. I saw Colin Powell's entire presentation to the UN. There was much more than a 'water truck,' which at the time was not known to be a water truck. (Except to maybe a few people posting here, apparently.) It was ultimately a large number of small, unrelated pieces of intel that, taken together, painted a picture of Iraqi WMD programs. I won't go so far as to say that the Bush Administration did not WANT to be led to believe that Saddam was producing or trying to produce those weapons. It is evident that they did want to believe it. However, many people who now decry the war, people on both sides of the aisle saw the same information and drew the same conclusions. (BTW- To Nancy Pelosi's credit, she acknowledged that Saddam had WMDs, but still did not vote for the Iraq war resolution because George Tenet told her that the probability that Saddam would launch a WMD attack on the US was low.)

I don't have a problem with folks who are against the war in hindsight because the intel was bad. I happen to be one of them. I would much prefer, given what we now know, that we were expending all this blood and treasure killing Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. What DOES bother me is that there are so many people who pretend that somehow the bad intel was obvious at the time of its presentation. It is disingenuous, and quite frankly it insults people's intelligence.

I was against the war before it happened. I didn't trust the intel from day one. Sorry if it insults your intellegence. Maybe I am disingenuous, at least my mistake didn't result in thousands of needless deaths.

[CID1990]

Not sure what you're saying. I saw Colin Powell's entire presentation to the UN. There was much more than a 'water truck,' which at the time was not known to be a water truck. (Except to maybe a few people posting here, apparently.) It was ultimately a large number of small, unrelated pieces of intel that, taken together, painted a picture of Iraqi WMD programs. I won't go so far as to say that the Bush Administration did not WANT to be led to believe that Saddam was producing or trying to produce those weapons. It is evident that they did want to believe it. However, many people who now decry the war, people on both sides of the aisle saw the same information and drew the same conclusions. (BTW- To Nancy Pelosi's credit, she acknowledged that Saddam had WMDs, but still did not vote for the Iraq war resolution because George Tenet told her that the probability that Saddam would launch a WMD attack on the US was low.)

I don't have a problem with folks who are against the war in hindsight because the intel was bad. I happen to be one of them. I would much prefer, given what we now know, that we were expending all this blood and treasure killing Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. What DOES bother me is that there are so many people who pretend that somehow the bad intel was obvious at the time of its presentation. It is disingenuous, and quite frankly it insults people's intelligence.

I was against the war before it happened. I didn't trust the intel from day one. Sorry if it insults your intellegence. Maybe I am disingenuous, at least my mistake didn't result in thousands of needless deaths.

I'm sure you weren't alone in not trusting the intel, but a gut feeling that the information is suspect is a little different from having evidence that impeaches the original. I'm sure you know the difference, or am I overestimating you?

[BlueHen86]

I was against the war before it happened. I didn't trust the intel from day one. Sorry if it insults your intellegence. Maybe I am disingenuous, at least my mistake didn't result in thousands of needless deaths.

I'm sure you weren't alone in not trusting the intel, but a gut feeling that the information is suspect is a little different from having evidence that impeaches the original. I'm sure you know the difference, or am I overestimating you?

Based on what I knew (and I'm not in the intel business, so I admit my info is limited), I would have prefered to let the UN continue to look for WMD's. I didn't see the need to rush to war.

As far as evidence impeaching the original - the fact the UN wasn't finding anything raised a red flag for me.