Jury Deadlock on Jeronimo's Fate

[89Hen]

how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Are you living in the same country as I am?

[houndawg]

Maybe there is another video that has more information?

I didn't see what precipitated the shooting.

Did the officer ask them for ID, and then the guy says he has a gun while reaching for his ID?

If so, then maybe the cop thought the passenger was reaching for his gun? In that case, maybe I could see the cop shooting the guy because he thought the guy was reaching for a weapon. Not good...without seeing a weapon, but if a guy says he has a weapon and starts reaching for something, then I'd be awfully nervous.

If the guy, before anything was said, told the cop that he had a gun, then the officer asked him to get out his ID, and then the officer shot the guy while he was reaching for his ID...then that is fvcked up.

We'll see how this case proceeds.

The stop was for a broken tail light.

[houndawg]

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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I hear you.

One good thing that may come out of all this attention is that officers will feel more empowered to call out the bad eggs- whether it is the guy who seems a little too eager to kick somebody's ass, or the guy who cuts corners, or the officer who consistently uses bad judgment on and off the job-

Officers being ostracized for not speaking out is NOT a universal thing (but as with other things the media sure would like us to think so) but it does happen. As police executives and administrators find their job security going into the shitter they will foster an environment that encourages officers to not tolerate the mickey mouse BS.

When this becomes the norm the police will have the overwhelming support of 95% of the populace.

[CAA Flagship]

Maybe there is another video that has more information?

I didn't see what precipitated the shooting.

Did the officer ask them for ID, and then the guy says he has a gun while reaching for his ID?

If so, then maybe the cop thought the passenger was reaching for his gun? In that case, maybe I could see the cop shooting the guy because he thought the guy was reaching for a weapon. Not good...without seeing a weapon, but if a guy says he has a weapon and starts reaching for something, then I'd be awfully nervous.

If the guy, before anything was said, told the cop that he had a gun, then the officer asked him to get out his ID, and then the officer shot the guy while he was reaching for his ID...then that is fvcked up.

We'll see how this case proceeds.

The stop was for a broken tail light.

Law breakers.

[BDKJMU]

Honestly, no bullshit, how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Is it training procedures? Is it education? Is it the fact that a large majority of police officers in this country are not well equipped to deal with the public at large.

After awhile it needs to be acknowledged that there's a common denominator in all of this.

I can't help but to think of the night I got pulled over in Gaylord after midnight two years ago driving back to Lewiston from work.

If you can get shot by police for COMPLYING with them...even for reaching for your license and insurance. I guess I should be thankful that I wasn't a licensed concealed carrier back then...

It doesn't surprise me that Fox News, and some of the black conservatives that I follow, is focusing more on the Clinton story on its Facebook page, even THEY know what sort of comments are going to come of this.

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As tragic as this situation is, the Clinton story is far bigger news.

320+ million people in this country, hundreds of thousands (if not more than a million) local, state, & federal law enforcement in this country. These encounters happen literally thousands of times a day, hundreds of thousands (or millions) of times a year. And just about everyone has a smart phone video camera on them nowadays. Even if 99.999% don't end up like this, you're still going to have a handful where the cops f'ed up (or looked like on video they f'ed up). I'm not surprised at all of the amount of instances we've had..

[houndawg]

Honestly, no bullshit, how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Is it training procedures? Is it education? Is it the fact that a large majority of police officers in this country are not well equipped to deal with the public at large.

After awhile it needs to be acknowledged that there's a common denominator in all of this.

I can't help but to think of the night I got pulled over in Gaylord after midnight two years ago driving back to Lewiston from work.

If you can get shot by police for COMPLYING with them...even for reaching for your license and insurance. I guess I should be thankful that I wasn't a licensed concealed carrier back then...

It doesn't surprise me that Fox News, and some of the black conservatives that I follow, is focusing more on the Clinton story on its Facebook page, even THEY know what sort of comments are going to come of this.

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As tragic as this situation is, the Clinton story is far bigger news.

320+ million people in this country, hundreds of thousands (if not more than a million) local, state, & federal law enforcement in this country. These encounters happen literally thousands of times a day, hundreds of thousands (or millions) of times a year. And just about everyone has a smart phone video camera on them nowadays. Even if 99.999% don't end up like this, you're still going to have a handful where the cops f'ed up (or looked like on video they f'ed up). I'm not surprised at all of the amount of instances we've had..

Once the cameras started being everywhere I suspect the stats started changing. Even though these executions are a small fraction of the shootings, I'll bet they're a bigger small fraction now than in pre camera days. And even though they're a small fraction they're still enough to keep a steady stream of ugly videos flowing to the internet. Stuff for which the bad apples have always been given the benefit of the doubt in the past.

[ASUG8]

Once the cameras started being everywhere the stats started changing. Even though these executions are a small fraction of the shootings, I'll bet they're a bigger small fraction now than in pre camera days.

Add in the swarm of media piling on. ABC.com has five police shooting stories on their site right now. Baton Rouge, Minnesota, Fresno, Baltimore, and Asheville. They all happened, but the media fans the flames.

[89Hen]

Even though these executions are a small fraction of the shootings, I'll bet they're a bigger small fraction now than in pre camera days.

Are you saying they are going up in number because of cell phone camera/video or we just know about more of them?

[dbackjon]

how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Are you living in the same country as I am?

So you are finally realizing that there are two Americas?

[dbackjon]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/0 ... per-stops/

Gun Activist Says He Warned PD Involved In Philando Castile Shooting About Shady Traffic Stops

About two years ago, Joe Olson was pulled over by a St. Anthony Police Department squad car for running a red light in Falcon Heights, the same Minneapolis suburb where Philando Castile was shot to death by a cop Wednesday evening. Olson put his hands on the steering wheel and waited for the officer to approach his driver’s side window when he heard a voice emanate from behind his head.




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About six months later, Olson — a retired Minnesota law professor who played a key role in drafting Minnesota’s firearms permit law and now serves as the chairman of the Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance — scheduled an appointment with St. Anthony Police Department Chief John Ohl to share his concerns. (The city of Falcon Heights contracts with the St. Anthony PD for police services.) But Olson said Chief Ohl didn’t take him seriously.




“He blew off my report — wasn’t interested,” Olson recalled. “I said, ‘I think you have a training problem, and if you don’t fix it, you’re going to have a bigger problem.'”

[AshevilleApp]

Once the cameras started being everywhere the stats started changing. Even though these executions are a small fraction of the shootings, I'll bet they're a bigger small fraction now than in pre camera days.

Add in the swarm of media piling on. ABC.com has five police shooting stories on their site right now. Baton Rouge, Minnesota, Fresno, Baltimore, and Asheville. They all happened, but the media fans the flames.

Well it is news, and it does need to be investigated. And they sucked you in, didn't they? No need to blame the media for this. I expect that most of the five will be found to be legitimate responses from the police. But this a serious issue that deserves media coverage. (And I was wondering why Asheville didn't make the list. We seem to make every other one.)

[CAA Flagship]

Are you living in the same country as I am?

So you are finally realizing that there are two Americas?

There are more than two.
I'm OK with the one I'm in. Well, maybe not geographically. But everything else.

[ASUG8]

Add in the swarm of media piling on. ABC.com has five police shooting stories on their site right now. Baton Rouge, Minnesota, Fresno, Baltimore, and Asheville. They all happened, but the media fans the flames.

Well it is news, and it does need to be investigated. And they sucked you in, didn't they? No need to blame the media for this. I expect that most of the five will be found to be legitimate responses from the police. But this a serious issue that deserves media coverage. (And I was wondering why Asheville didn't make the list. We seem to make every other one.)

I'm not arguing that it doesn't need investigation, but you have to admit that when there's one mass shooting the media finds several more. In a weeks' time they'll be off of police shootings and onto several stories in a row about fraternity hazing, shark attacks, or something like that. Once something bad happens they tend to fixate on stories like that to the partial exclusion of other important things that are happening partially to inform but more likely for ratings. There is so much news overload today it's nearly impossible to keep up with it all.

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[YoUDeeMan]

Maybe there is another video that has more information?

I didn't see what precipitated the shooting.

Did the officer ask them for ID, and then the guy says he has a gun while reaching for his ID?

If so, then maybe the cop thought the passenger was reaching for his gun? In that case, maybe I could see the cop shooting the guy because he thought the guy was reaching for a weapon. Not good...without seeing a weapon, but if a guy says he has a weapon and starts reaching for something, then I'd be awfully nervous.

If the guy, before anything was said, told the cop that he had a gun, then the officer asked him to get out his ID, and then the officer shot the guy while he was reaching for his ID...then that is fvcked up.

We'll see how this case proceeds.

The stop was for a broken tail light.

That isn't what I meant.

I was wondering if there was another video that started before the driver started to film...and that was AFTER the guy was shot.

My question was whether the police officer asked for ID after the guy possibly told the police officer he had a gun. In my mind, that would make a difference in some situations.

[89Hen]

Are you living in the same country as I am?

So you are finally realizing that there are two Americas?

Cute, but off target Jon. Rocks basically said everyone is always on the cops side. That's not what I've seen the last couple years.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the Minnesota Governor just did something irresponsible. He asked "Would this have happened if the driver and the passenger had been White?" then answered his own question by saying "I don't think it would've."

That's really, really bad for him to have said that. It's politically expedient. But it's not the right thing to say at this point.

[BDKJMU]

I think the Minnesota Governor just did something irresponsible. He asked "Would this have happened if the driver and the passenger had been White?" then answered his own question by saying "I don't think it would've."

That's really, really bad for him to have said that. It's politically expedient. But it's not the right thing to say at this point.

Without looking up who the gov if MN is, I going to guess he's a donk?

[Gil Dobie]

If you watch the entire video, it's a Chinese Cop that shoots Castille.

Answer Governor Donk Dayton's question, it just may have happened if the people in the car were white.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the Minnesota Governor just did something irresponsible. He asked "Would this have happened if the driver and the passenger had been White?" then answered his own question by saying "I don't think it would've."

That's really, really bad for him to have said that. It's politically expedient. But it's not the right thing to say at this point.

Without looking up who the gov if MN is, I going to guess he's a donk?

That is a correct guess.

[AshevilleApp]

Well it is news, and it does need to be investigated. And they sucked you in, didn't they? No need to blame the media for this. I expect that most of the five will be found to be legitimate responses from the police. But this a serious issue that deserves media coverage. (And I was wondering why Asheville didn't make the list. We seem to make every other one.)

I'm not arguing that it doesn't need investigation, but you have to admit that when there's one mass shooting the media finds several more. In a weeks' time they'll be off of police shootings and onto several stories in a row about fraternity hazing, shark attacks, or something like that. Once something bad happens they tend to fixate on stories like that to the partial exclusion of other important things that are happening partially to inform but more likely for ratings. There is so much news overload today it's nearly impossible to keep up with it all.

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Of course they do, that's how they make money. How about the Weather (you are dead in 6 minutes ) Channel?

One possible solution is dropping TV. Crazy, I know. But it has worked well for me.

[DSUrocks07]

If you watch the entire video, it's a Chinese Cop that shoots Castille.

Answer Governor Donk Dayton's question, it just may have happened if the people in the car were white.

Could you imagine the uproar of a CCW permit carrying white man was the one shot by the Asian cop?

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[houndawg]

Even though these executions are a small fraction of the shootings, I'll bet they're a bigger small fraction now than in pre camera days.

Are you saying they are going up in number because of cell phone camera/video or we just know about more of them?

The latter. In the past the cops word was the only side of the story. Like the one recently where the cop shot the fleeing 57 year old in the back and was caught throwing down his taser on camera and setting up the crime scene. In the past the cops story wouldn't have been challenged and he might have even received a commendation for his heroic defense of the city.

[Ibanez]

Honestly, no bullshit, how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Is it training procedures? Is it education? Is it the fact that a large majority of police officers in this country are not well equipped to deal with the public at large.

After awhile it needs to be acknowledged that there's a common denominator in all of this.

I can't help but to think of the night I got pulled over in Gaylord after midnight two years ago driving back to Lewiston from work.

If you can get shot by police for COMPLYING with them...even for reaching for your license and insurance. I guess I should be thankful that I wasn't a licensed concealed carrier back then...

It doesn't surprise me that Fox News, and some of the black conservatives that I follow, is focusing more on the Clinton story on its Facebook page, even THEY know what sort of comments are going to come of this.

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As tragic as this situation is, the Clinton story is far bigger news.

320+ million people in this country, hundreds of thousands (if not more than a million) local, state, & federal law enforcement in this country. These encounters happen literally thousands of times a day, hundreds of thousands (or millions) of times a year. And just about everyone has a smart phone video camera on them nowadays. Even if 99.999% don't end up like this, you're still going to have a handful where the cops f'ed up (or looked like on video they f'ed up). I'm not surprised at all of the amount of instances we've had..

Get your own material.


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[GannonFan]

Are you saying they are going up in number because of cell phone camera/video or we just know about more of them?

The latter. In the past the cops word was the only side of the story. Like the one recently where the cop shot the fleeing 57 year old in the back and was caught throwing down his taser on camera and setting up the crime scene. In the past the cops story wouldn't have been challenged and he might have even received a commendation for his heroic defense of the city.

That was certainly the case 10 years ago, but it's not that way now and it's trending more and more to where the cop is being significantly scrutinized, and that's a good thing. Bad cops and bad policing need to go, and I don't see that freight train to that happening gets stopped.

[Gil Dobie]

If you watch the entire video, it's a Chinese Cop that shoots Castille.

Answer Governor Donk Dayton's question, it just may have happened if the people in the car were white.

Could you imagine the uproar of a CCW permit carrying white man was the one shot by the Asian cop?

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IMO, the uproar would be similar. We had similar outrage when a Minnesota Hmong man shot 8, killing 6, white hunters across the border, in Wisconsin. He was sent to prison in Iowa.