Jury Deadlock on Jeronimo's Fate

[Gil Dobie]

Unless the police have body cams that prove different, this could blow up on the Minneapolis police. Amazing video, showing her dying boyfriend.

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[andy7171]

That's fucked up.

[DSUrocks07]

Honestly, no bullshit, how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Is it training procedures? Is it education? Is it the fact that a large majority of police officers in this country are not well equipped to deal with the public at large.

After awhile it needs to be acknowledged that there's a common denominator in all of this.

I can't help but to think of the night I got pulled over in Gaylord after midnight two years ago driving back to Lewiston from work.

If you can get shot by police for COMPLYING with them...even for reaching for your license and insurance. I guess I should be thankful that I wasn't a licensed concealed carrier back then...

It doesn't surprise me that Fox News, and some of the black conservatives that I follow, is focusing more on the Clinton story on its Facebook page, even THEY know what sort of comments are going to come of this.

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[ASUG8]

That's fucked up.

Yep. It looks really bad for the police on this one. I'm certainly not blaming the victim, but what we didn't see was how he informed the cop he was carrying a weapon. If he said he had a firearm and then reached for his wallet then the cop doesn't know what the guy was doing.

Some of these cops need to back off the Red Bull.

[CID1990]

Now THIS, for sure, was plainly unjustified.

[CID1990]

That's **** up.

Yep. It looks really bad for the police on this one. I'm certainly not blaming the victim, but what we didn't see was how he informed the cop he was carrying a weapon. If he said he had a firearm and then reached for his wallet then the cop doesn't know what the guy was doing.

I don't buy that one at all.

Nobody who is planning to do bad things is going to tell you he has a gun. In fact because they are afraid of you lighting them up, that will be the first thing a CWP holder will tell you.

This guy needs to be gone.

[DSUrocks07]

Even if you look at it as a situation where the officer "feared for his life and erred on the side of caution", think about it from a gun owners perspective. There's always a lot of talk about if you feel threatened "you have to get the drop on them before they get the drop on you", but that's talking as a private citizen though. It's getting to the point where a segment of our population is going into an interaction with police where they're legitimately going into a disadvantage with their life at stake.

Seriously, what's the answer here?

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[andy7171]

The shooter obviously know he fucked up majorly by his reactions during the whole video. He going to be in a world of hurt.

[ASUG8]

Yep. It looks really bad for the police on this one. I'm certainly not blaming the victim, but what we didn't see was how he informed the cop he was carrying a weapon. If he said he had a firearm and then reached for his wallet then the cop doesn't know what the guy was doing.

I don't buy that one at all.

Nobody who is planning to do bad things is going to tell you he has a gun. In fact because they are afraid of you lighting them up, that will be the first thing a CWP holder will tell you.

This guy needs to be gone.

I think we're saying the same thing. If a guy informs an officer he has a weapon it's on the officer (IMO) at that point to take control of the situation to safely disarm the guy until the traffic stop is over. I don't know if the guy informed him, then the guy started reaching for his wallet and the cop overreacted or what. Clearly the cop didn't walk the guy through the proper steps to disarm him.

[CID1990]

Even if you look at it as a situation where the officer "feared for his life and erred on the side of caution", think about it from a gun owners perspective. There's always a lot of talk about if you feel threatened "you have to get the drop on them before they get the drop on you", but that's talking as a private citizen though. It's getting to the point where a segment of our population is going into an interaction with police where they're legitimately going into a disadvantage with their life at stake.

Seriously, what's the answer here?

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I don't think there is an answer to these cases- they're isolated. Even in the 1990s I was subjected to all kinds of psychological screening before I was sworn in. The International Association of Chiefs of Police magazine literally has articles in every issue about how to select officers that weeds out these ding dongs. Whoever can really figure that out will be a rich person.

The media would have us think that this crap happens every day, but it doesn't. There are Roscoe cops out there to be sure, but at the end of the day your chances of encountering one run somewhere a little better than hitting the Powerball and behind getting struck by lightning.

I encountered armed citizens more times than I can count in the line of duty and I was never in fear- because they did what they were trained to do (inform me and then follow instructions) and I did what I was trained to do. These encounters do occur multiple times daily and nobody dies. I never had anything to fear from armed, law abiding citizens and they had nothing to fear from me.

[CID1990]

The shooter obviously know he **** up majorly by his reactions during the whole video. He going to be in a world of hurt.

Yeah once you're trying to plead with an eyewitness at the scene that they didn't see or hear what they saw or heard, you know you're wrong.

[CID1990]

Double post

[Gil Dobie]

Not that he was a bad guy either

Philando Castile, 32, cafeteria supervisor at J.J. Hill Montessori School in St. Paul.

[DSUrocks07]

Even if you look at it as a situation where the officer "feared for his life and erred on the side of caution", think about it from a gun owners perspective. There's always a lot of talk about if you feel threatened "you have to get the drop on them before they get the drop on you", but that's talking as a private citizen though. It's getting to the point where a segment of our population is going into an interaction with police where they're legitimately going into a disadvantage with their life at stake.

Seriously, what's the answer here?

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I don't think there is an answer to these cases- they're isolated. Even in the 1990s I was subjected to all kinds of psychological screening before I was sworn in. The International Association of Chiefs of Police magazine literally has articles in every issue about how to select officers that weeds out these ding dongs. Whoever can really figure that out will be a rich person.

The media would have us think that this crap happens every day, but it doesn't. There are Roscoe cops out there to be sure, but at the end of the day your chances of encountering one run somewhere a little better than hitting the Powerball and behind getting struck by lightning.

I encountered armed citizens more times than I can count in the line of duty and I was never in fear- because they did what they were trained to do (inform me and then follow instructions) and I did what I was trained to do. These encounters do occur multiple times daily and nobody dies. I never had anything to fear from armed, law abiding citizens and they had nothing to fear from me.

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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[YoUDeeMan]

I don't think there is an answer to these cases- they're isolated. Even in the 1990s I was subjected to all kinds of psychological screening before I was sworn in. The International Association of Chiefs of Police magazine literally has articles in every issue about how to select officers that weeds out these ding dongs. Whoever can really figure that out will be a rich person.

The media would have us think that this crap happens every day, but it doesn't. There are Roscoe cops out there to be sure, but at the end of the day your chances of encountering one run somewhere a little better than hitting the Powerball and behind getting struck by lightning.

I encountered armed citizens more times than I can count in the line of duty and I was never in fear- because they did what they were trained to do (inform me and then follow instructions) and I did what I was trained to do. These encounters do occur multiple times daily and nobody dies. I never had anything to fear from armed, law abiding citizens and they had nothing to fear from me.

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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Your worries are now solved.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4okNUKMHy1s[/youtube]


Of course, if you come out looking like the person with lighter skin, I will bang you with my love gun.

So, either way, you're fvcked.

[CID1990]

I don't think there is an answer to these cases- they're isolated. Even in the 1990s I was subjected to all kinds of psychological screening before I was sworn in. The International Association of Chiefs of Police magazine literally has articles in every issue about how to select officers that weeds out these ding dongs. Whoever can really figure that out will be a rich person.

The media would have us think that this crap happens every day, but it doesn't. There are Roscoe cops out there to be sure, but at the end of the day your chances of encountering one run somewhere a little better than hitting the Powerball and behind getting struck by lightning.

I encountered armed citizens more times than I can count in the line of duty and I was never in fear- because they did what they were trained to do (inform me and then follow instructions) and I did what I was trained to do. These encounters do occur multiple times daily and nobody dies. I never had anything to fear from armed, law abiding citizens and they had nothing to fear from me.

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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I hear you.

One good thing that may come out of all this attention is that officers will feel more empowered to call out the bad eggs- whether it is the guy who seems a little too eager to kick somebody's ass, or the guy who cuts corners, or the officer who consistently uses bad judgment on and off the job-

Officers being ostracized for not speaking out is NOT a universal thing (but as with other things the media sure would like us to think so) but it does happen. As police executives and administrators find their job security going into the shitter they will foster an environment that encourages officers to not tolerate the mickey mouse BS.

[CID1990]

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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Your worries are now solved.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4okNUKMHy1s[/youtube]


Of course, if you come out looking like the person with lighter skin, I will bang you with my love gun.

So, either way, you're fvcked.

I was seriously about to link to the SNL skit with Eddie Murphy pretending to be a white dude to get the bank to loan him money.

[DSUrocks07]

I can understand that, and I agree with you, it really is a "once in a blue moon" deal when you look at statistics, but there is always that chance tho...and honestly that has become a scary thought to me. Even when those two NY cops were harassing the off duty police chief, that just showed that it's basically a crapshoot to which officer you interact with, no matter what your status in life may be.

I don't know man...even now these situation are eerie for the fact that I can't help but to think that I could find myself in a situation like that one day.



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Your worries are now solved.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4okNUKMHy1s[/youtube]


Of course, if you come out looking like the person with lighter skin, I will bang you with my love gun.

So, either way, you're fvcked.

I make sure my children don't have to worry about this sort of thing the traditional way





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[YoUDeeMan]

I make sure my children don't have to worry about this sort of thing the traditional way





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Are you going to make the next Sambo's crab feast? It would be good to meet you.






















Of course, I'll leave my wife at home.

[DSUrocks07]

I make sure my children don't have to worry about this sort of thing the traditional way





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Are you going to make the next Sambo's crab feast? It would be good to meet you.






















Of course, I'll leave my wife at home.

Absolutely

Still feel bad about missing the last one

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[Ibanez]

Honestly, no bullshit, how much longer will the God-worshiping of police in this country continue? The idea that carrying a badge makes you infallible and ALWAYS garner the benefit of the doubt.

Is it training procedures? Is it education? Is it the fact that a large majority of police officers in this country are not well equipped to deal with the public at large.

After awhile it needs to be acknowledged that there's a common denominator in all of this.

I can't help but to think of the night I got pulled over in Gaylord after midnight two years ago driving back to Lewiston from work.

If you can get shot by police for COMPLYING with them...even for reaching for your license and insurance. I guess I should be thankful that I wasn't a licensed concealed carrier back then...

It doesn't surprise me that Fox News, and some of the black conservatives that I follow, is focusing more on the Clinton story on its Facebook page, even THEY know what sort of comments are going to come of this.

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I think the fact that there's are thousands of police counters each day that do not end in a black man dying proves that, as tragic as these situations are, s vast majority of police officers conduct themselves appropriately.

Then again, the media never asks how the deceased contributed to his own demise.

[Ibanez]

The shooter obviously know he **** up majorly by his reactions during the whole video. He going to be in a world of hurt.

Yeah once you're trying to plead with an eyewitness at the scene that they didn't see or hear what they saw or heard, you know you're wrong.

True. From what I read, this guy overreacted just like the SC trooper that shot a man for complying with officer instructions to produce documents.


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[YoUDeeMan]

Maybe there is another video that has more information?

I didn't see what precipitated the shooting.

Did the officer ask them for ID, and then the guy says he has a gun while reaching for his ID?

If so, then maybe the cop thought the passenger was reaching for his gun? In that case, maybe I could see the cop shooting the guy because he thought the guy was reaching for a weapon. Not good...without seeing a weapon, but if a guy says he has a weapon and starts reaching for something, then I'd be awfully nervous.

If the guy, before anything was said, told the cop that he had a gun, then the officer asked him to get out his ID, and then the officer shot the guy while he was reaching for his ID...then that is fvcked up.

We'll see how this case proceeds.

[houndawg]

Yep. It looks really bad for the police on this one. I'm certainly not blaming the victim, but what we didn't see was how he informed the cop he was carrying a weapon. If he said he had a firearm and then reached for his wallet then the cop doesn't know what the guy was doing.

I don't buy that one at all.

Nobody who is planning to do bad things is going to tell you he has a gun. In fact because they are afraid of you lighting them up, that will be the first thing a CWP holder will tell you.

This guy needs to be gone.

The problem is that absent the video footage he walks. The word needs to out from within that executions aren't part of the job.

[houndawg]

The shooter obviously know he **** up majorly by his reactions during the whole video. He going to be in a world of hurt.

But he'll still be alive.