Sell-Out

[Skjellyfetti]

I agree that anyone with any sense would have known that if he didn't win he'd favor HIllary over Trump. But I don't think he's ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

Exactly.

He's consistently said that he would vote for the Democratic nominee for over a year now. This is only a surprise to someone not paying attention.

May 3, 2015:

STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you lose in this nomination fight, will you support the Democratic nominee?

SANDERS: Yes. I have in the past.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not going to run as an independent.

SANDERS: No, absolutely not. I've been very clear about that.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-tra ... d=30757510

[HI54UNI]

Happy Birthday Ivy and Chizzang.

[Ivytalk]

Happy Birthday Ivy and Chizzang.

Thanks, HI5!

[Baldy]

Anyone with any sense knew Burney would be a pussy and eventually grovel up to and bow at the altar of The Hildabeast.

I guess it's now official.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... nbc_native

I'm pretty sure he's been saying all along that there is no way the country can allow Donald Trump to become President. I agree that anyone with any sense would have known that if he didn't win he'd favor HIllary over Trump. But I don't think he's ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

His big argument has been that Trump is just totally unacceptable and he represents a better chance of keeping Trump out of the White House. But I think it's always been obvious that the big thing was "Never Trump."

What? Did you think he was going to endorse Trump after he repeatedly said there's no way Trump can be allowed to win?

He has also said that The Hildabeast wasn't qualified to be President either. The point is that if he had any character whatsoever and if he had any principles, he would take this crusade of his to the Donk Convention before he started to lick her boots. The problem with you and the other idiots of the "Never Trump" crowd is that they fail to realize that anyone...anything...the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning would be a better choice for President than The Hildabeast. THE most corrupt, THE most flawed candidate to EVER seek the Presidency, much less be actually nominated by a major political party.

[HI54UNI]

I'm pretty sure he's been saying all along that there is no way the country can allow Donald Trump to become President. I agree that anyone with any sense would have known that if he didn't win he'd favor HIllary over Trump. But I don't think he's ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

His big argument has been that Trump is just totally unacceptable and he represents a better chance of keeping Trump out of the White House. But I think it's always been obvious that the big thing was "Never Trump."

What? Did you think he was going to endorse Trump after he repeatedly said there's no way Trump can be allowed to win?

He has also said that The Hildabeast wasn't qualified to be President either. The point is that if he had any character whatsoever and if he had any principles, he would take this crusade of his to the Donk Convention before he started to lick her boots. The problem with you and the other idiots of the "Never Trump" crowd is that they fail to realize that anyone...anything...the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning would be a better choice for President than The Hildabeast. THE most corrupt, THE most flawed candidate to EVER seek the Presidency, much less be actually nominated by a major political party.

But, but, but, but Trump lies! Fact check says so! (hey JSO I just saved you typing 50 posts with the same ass boring shit!)

[JohnStOnge]

The problem with you and the other idiots of the "Never Trump" crowd is that they fail to realize that anyone...anything...the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning would be a better choice for President than The Hildabeast.

I disagree. I think Trump being elected President would be worse for the long term future of this country than Hillary being elected President would be. And part of it has to do with maintaining the integrity of the one thing that represents resistance to the long term influence of the Democratic Party. That's the Republican Party. The Republican Party cannot be allowed to put forth a nominee like that and win with it. If it does there is a danger that there will be no acceptable alternative.

Plus I really do think Trump is mentally ill in a dangerous way.

[JohnStOnge]

But, but, but, but Trump lies! Fact check says so! (hey JSO I just saved you typing 50 posts with the same ass boring ****!)

I'm sorry that the truth bores you. But it's kind of important in this case. We're in danger of having a person who is a whole hell of a lot more dishonest than even Hillary is becoming President. A whole lot more mentally ill too.

[BDKJMU]

The problem with you and the other idiots of the "Never Trump" crowd is that they fail to realize that anyone...anything...the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning would be a better choice for President than The Hildabeast.

I disagree. I think Trump being elected President would be worse for the long term future of this country than Hillary being elected President would be. And part of it has to do with maintaining the integrity of the one thing that represents resistance to the long term influence of the Democratic Party. That's the Republican Party. The Republican Party cannot be allowed to put forth a nominee like that and win with it. If it does there is a danger that there will be no acceptable alternative.

Plus I really do think Trump is mentally ill in a dangerous way.

What you fail to realize is one of the most important things, if not the most important thing, that the next POTUS will be doing is nominating judges. Hillary is going to nominate far more liberal judges than Trump (Trump has already given us a list of judges). But you are too dense to realize that.

[kalm]

I agree that anyone with any sense would have known that if he didn't win he'd favor HIllary over Trump. But I don't think he's ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

Exactly.

He's consistently said that he would vote for the Democratic nominee for over a year now. This is only a surprise to someone not paying attention.

May 3, 2015:

STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you lose in this nomination fight, will you support the Democratic nominee?

SANDERS: Yes. I have in the past.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not going to run as an independent.

SANDERS: No, absolutely not. I've been very clear about that.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-tra ... d=30757510

Much ado about nothing.

This is the reason I would not have voted for Bernie even in a close race.

But it's not as if he's endorsed her. He was merely answering a question honestly.

[kalm]

I'm leaving for Sardinia tomorrow
I'll return on July 7th

Looks like a big alligator with moss on it. Rorschach tip of the day!

Have fun, Cleets.

Oh...and Happy Birthday to a pair of my favorite peeps! I'm afraid I won't be doing anything as extravagant as eating shellfish in Delmarva or frolicking in the waters off Sardinia but I might take the wife on a road trip to go see Harvard...just in your honor...

Spoiler: show

[Ivytalk]

Looks like a big alligator with moss on it. Rorschach tip of the day!

Have fun, Cleets.

Oh...and Happy Birthday to a pair of my favorite peeps! I'm afraid I won't be doing anything as extravagant as eating shellfish in Delmarva or frolicking in the waters off Sardinia but I might take the wife on a road trip to go see Harvard...just in your honor...

Spoiler: show

Where's Yale?

[kalm]

Oh...and Happy Birthday to a pair of my favorite peeps! I'm afraid I won't be doing anything as extravagant as eating shellfish in Delmarva or frolicking in the waters off Sardinia but I might take the wife on a road trip to go see Harvard...just in your honor...

Spoiler: show

Where's Yale?

Along the scenic Lewis River on the way to Cougar of course!

[Baldy]

The problem with you and the other idiots of the "Never Trump" crowd is that they fail to realize that anyone...anything...the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning would be a better choice for President than The Hildabeast.

I disagree. I think Trump being elected President would be worse for the long term future of this country than Hillary being elected President would be. And part of it has to do with maintaining the integrity of the one thing that represents resistance to the long term influence of the Democratic Party. That's the Republican Party. The Republican Party cannot be allowed to put forth a nominee like that and win with it. If it does there is a danger that there will be no acceptable alternative.

Plus I really do think Trump is mentally ill in a dangerous way.

Please stop, you're not very good at it.

With the limited power The Hildabeast has been given in the past, we have seen what stupid things she has done and what horrible decisions she has made. Now you're wanting to hand the keys to the most powerful nation on earth over to one of the most pathological, manic, and corrupt political figures in this country's history? She will look directly into a camera lens...look directly into your eyes and tell you things that you know are boldfaced lies and not flinch. Trump is a hyperbolic wildcard, no doubt, but he is controllable. There is no controlling The Hildabeast. She doesn't think the rules apply to her, but you're going to vote for her anyway?

Jesus Tittyfucking Christ you're nuts.

[houndawg]

Anyone with any sense knew Burney would be a pussy and eventually grovel up to and bow at the altar of The Hildabeast.

I guess it's now official.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... nbc_native

Be nice to the old phart. He hasn't had a boner since the Eisenhower Administration.

Oh, I already said that? Oh, well, I turned 62 today. As long as I don't put my car keys in the fridge, I.m OK.

You don't sound a day under 120.

[houndawg]

Be nice to the old phart. He hasn't had a boner since the Eisenhower Administration.

Oh, I already said that? Oh, well, I turned 62 today. As long as I don't put my car keys in the fridge, I.m OK.

I turn 52 tomorrow...

You're a nice young man. You should make the UWC next year.

[houndawg]

I'm leaving for Sardinia tomorrow
I'll return on July 7th

I'll be 62 when you return

[Ivytalk]

Be nice to the old phart. He hasn't had a boner since the Eisenhower Administration.

Oh, I already said that? Oh, well, I turned 62 today. As long as I don't put my car keys in the fridge, I.m OK.

You don't sound a day under 120.

I'll take that as a compliment. I guess.

[JohnStOnge]

What you fail to realize is one of the most important things, if not the most important thing, that the next POTUS will be doing is nominating judges. Hillary is going to nominate far more liberal judges than Trump (Trump has already given us a list of judges). But you are too dense to realize that.

I am well aware of the situation with the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, Republican primary voters have nominated someone that is SO unacceptable that even that consideration isn't sufficient to justify supporting him.

When I'm talking about the long term I'm talking about the very long term. We have sadly gotten into a situation where Hillary being elected would be better for that very long term because she is the only viable alternative to Trump being elected. Even the Supreme Court consideration is, in this situation, a relatively short term issue.

This country simply cannot set the precedent of having a Republican nominee who has employed the tactics Trump has employed, acted as Trump has acted, and repeatedly lied the way Trump has repeatedly lied succeed in winning the Presidency.

If he wins, from this point forward, there will be no "good guys" or even any "not so bad guys" contending for power. It will be two completely unacceptable alternatives.

That's why you see stuff like George Will leaving the Republican Party. The Republican Party has ceased being an acceptable alternative to the Democratic Party with its acceptance of an emotionally immature, thoroughly dishonest demagogue as its nominee.

[Ivytalk]

What you fail to realize is one of the most important things, if not the most important thing, that the next POTUS will be doing is nominating judges. Hillary is going to nominate far more liberal judges than Trump (Trump has already given us a list of judges). But you are too dense to realize that.

I am well aware of the situation with the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, Republican primary voters have nominated someone that is SO unacceptable that even that consideration isn't sufficient to justify supporting him.

When I'm talking about the long term I'm talking about the very long term. We have sadly gotten into a situation where Hillary being elected would be better for that very long term because she is the only viable alternative to Trump being elected. Even the Supreme Court consideration is, in this situation, a relatively short term issue.

This country simply cannot set the precedent of having a Republican nominee who has employed the tactics Trump has employed, acted as Trump has acted, and repeatedly lied the way Trump has repeatedly lied succeed in winning the Presidency.

If he wins, from this point forward, there will be no "good guys" or even any "not so bad guys" contending for power. It will be two completely unacceptable alternatives.

That's why you see stuff like George Will leaving the Republican Party. The Republican Party has ceased being an acceptable alternative to the Democratic Party with its acceptance of an emotionally immature, thoroughly dishonest demagogue as its nominee.

John, I could go to sleep like Rip van Winkle, wake up, and type in your typical Trump post from memory! The only question for me is why you keep doing this on a college football message board. Do you have other outlets, like Daily Kos?

[JohnStOnge]

He has also said that The Hildabeast wasn't qualified to be President either.

I'm guessing you recall that he pretty quickly took that back:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem ... -qualified

"Here's the truth, I've known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I respect Hillary Clinton, we were colleagues in the Senate, and on her worst day she would be an infinitely better president than either of the Republican candidates," Sanders said.

"She's qualified?" co-host Savannah Guthrie asked.

"Of course," Sanders responded.

[Baldy]

He has also said that The Hildabeast wasn't qualified to be President either.

I'm guessing you recall that he pretty quickly took that back:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem ... -qualified

"Here's the truth, I've known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I respect Hillary Clinton, we were colleagues in the Senate, and on her worst day she would be an infinitely better president than either of the Republican candidates," Sanders said.

"She's qualified?" co-host Savannah Guthrie asked.

"Of course," Sanders responded.

Of course he took it back. Like you, Guthrie is a die hard Clintonite. By the look on her face when he said it, she was very offended that Burney would say something so vile. She looked at him like he had two heads sitting on top of his shoulders. Her and Charlie Rose made sure Sanders stayed in place and toed the line.

[JohnStOnge]

Like you, Guthrie is a die hard Clintonite.

I am obviously not a die hard Clintonite. I voted against Bill Clinton both times and could not stand the fact that he was in office. Beyond that, as you know because I've stated it many times, I think the Democratic Party has done tremendous damage to our nation. I went into this election cycle feeling pretty darned optimistic because Hillary is not a strong candidate and she has all sorts of baggage.

Then the Trump phenomenon emerged. Now I am forced to hope Hillary wins. Going in I never in my wildest dreams would've thought that could happen. But it did. Republican primary voters somehow picked a true turd. A turd bad enough to create a situation in which Hillary winning is the preferred scenario.

If Hillary wins I will be counting the days until the next election when, hopefully, the Republican primary voters will have made a more rational choice. That will be more likely if Trump is destroyed in this election so that they will not be tempted to do something this stupid again. So that's what I'm hoping for. Hoping for something along the lines of what happened to Goldwater against Johnson.

[HI54UNI]

Like you, Guthrie is a die hard Clintonite.

I am obviously not a die hard Clintonite. I voted against Bill Clinton both times and could not stand the fact that he was in office. Beyond that, as you know because I've stated it many times, I think the Democratic Party has done tremendous damage to our nation. I went into this election cycle feeling pretty darned optimistic because Hillary is not a strong candidate and she has all sorts of baggage.

Then the Trump phenomenon emerged. Now I am forced to hope Hillary wins. Going in I never in my wildest dreams would've thought that could happen. But it did. Republican primary voters somehow picked a true turd. A turd bad enough to create a situation in which Hillary winning is the preferred scenario.

If Hillary wins I will be counting the days until the next election when, hopefully, the Republican primary voters will have made a more rational choice. That will be more likely if Trump is destroyed in this election so that they will not be tempted to do something this stupid again. So that's what I'm hoping for. Hoping for something along the lines of what happened to Goldwater against Johnson.

What color is the sky in your world? You've taken over the role of board crazy from Spanos.

[JohnStOnge]

What color is the sky in your world?

Right now it is grey with storm clouds because Republican Primary voters have left us with a situation where there is no potential for a decent outcome. If they had picked ANY of the other people that ran I would be all in for the Republican candidate for President. But they picked the ONE turd I can't support.

[JohnStOnge]

John, I could go to sleep like Rip van Winkle, wake up, and type in your typical Trump post from memory! The only question for me is why you keep doing this on a college football message board. Do you have other outlets, like Daily Kos?

The main point is that I as well as most other "conservatives" who reject Trump are very much aware of the situation with the Supreme Court and the significance of the question of who is going to make the next set of appointments. Is there anybody who doubts, for instance, that George Will is aware of that situation?

This is a standard line of Trump supporters. They saddled us with a total abomination as the only alternative to Hillary and now they say that if we don't get in line and vote for him we're going to put HILLARY into the White House. HILLARY is going to make the appointment to replace Scalia and any other Supreme Court appointments.

Well, Trump supporters, you should have thought of that before you facilitated a situation in which a number of very good Republican candidates were available but the Party ended up with a totally unacceptable nominee. Even if all you cared about was winning it was clear from the very beginning that Trump was not anywhere close to the best choice for maximizing the probability of that. If you were worried about the Supreme Court you should have been supporting somebody like Rubio or even Kasich.

You shouldn't expect all the principled "conservatives" to fall in line and support someone who is not a conservative, who is even more dishonest than Hillary, completely unqualified for the job, is a complete ass, and who comes off as an emotionally unstable 70 year with the maturity of a 10 year old. You should have known better.