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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Saw this.... and it sounded like JSO's alter ego :lol:
Hillary Clinton is SICK. Seriously. I can prove it, and the American people need to know about it...
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his Breitbart article has a good summary of her health problems, as well as a neurologist discussing these very issues. It’s long but worth a read: Breitbart...
I can't help mentioning that this article cites Breitbart while I cited Psychology Today.

Maybe Hillary is impaired in some ways. But she at least acts like a grown up. I did provide one a while back but, really, we don't need an article in Psychology Today to tell us that Trump does not. It's pretty darned obvious that the guy has issues.
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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Whassamatta, John? You worried that there might actually be something to that "email crap"? Something that might blow Queen Hildacvnt's campaign out of the water? :lol:
I do think that, more probably than not, she is going to skate. But yes I am worried in the sense that there is some reasonable chance that she could actually get charged. And if that is going to happen the earlier it happens the better. As long as they have time to adjust to the situation I think that just about any decent candidate the Democrats field would beat Trump. In fact it could be a lot worse for Trump because they will have the opportunity to field someone without the baggage and the high negative rating.

Meanwhile I think if they finish up and do not charge her...we get news saying the investigation is over and HIllary is in the clear...she will get a bump in the polls and be in a stronger position than she is now.

But for Pete's sake get it done one way or another. There's an unusual time sensitive aspect of this thing and I think they should be cognizant of that. Whatever they decide to do the longer they wait to decide it the more it improves the odds of an absolute disaster for this country (i.e., a totally unqualified asshole with the emotional maturity of a middle school kid being President of the United States).
I disagree. I think the FBI should delay its report until Halloween to maximize the effect of the "October surprise" and blow the crooked old bitch to Kingdom Come. :lol:

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Even if Hillary is indicted she will stay in the race and she will still win.


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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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Interesting poll result came out. I heard Trump say that a poll came out yesterday showing him essentially even so I checked Realclearpolitics and saw that a Gravis poll had it Clinton by 2 (51-49%). I checked out the details.

When I did I saw that the 51-49% was for a question where there were apparently only two alternatives (Democrat or Republican). But there was another question where there were three choices: Democrat, Republican, or Other. Adding a third alternative increased Clinton's margin from 2 to 5. "Democrat" only dropped by 1 percentage point to 50 while "Republican" dropped by 4 to 45.

http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and- ... l-polling/

Otherwise: The Gravis poll is rated kind of mediocre by 538 (B-) and has historically, on average, been off by 1.1 percentage points in Republicans' favor. In other words it had tended to over estimate how well the Republican candidate is doing.
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Whassamatta, John? You worried that there might actually be something to that "email crap"? Something that might blow Queen Hildacvnt's campaign out of the water? :lol:
I do think that, more probably than not, she is going to skate. But yes I am worried in the sense that there is some reasonable chance that she could actually get charged. And if that is going to happen the earlier it happens the better. As long as they have time to adjust to the situation I think that just about any decent candidate the Democrats field would beat Trump. In fact it could be a lot worse for Trump because they will have the opportunity to field someone without the baggage and the high negative rating.

Meanwhile I think if they finish up and do not charge her...we get news saying the investigation is over and HIllary is in the clear...she will get a bump in the polls and be in a stronger position than she is now.

But for Pete's sake get it done one way or another. There's an unusual time sensitive aspect of this thing and I think they should be cognizant of that. Whatever they decide to do the longer they wait to decide it the more it improves the odds of an absolute disaster for this country (i.e., a totally unqualified asshole with the emotional maturity of a middle school kid being President of the United States).
They could do that right now. :coffee:

And probably would have if the conks could find somebody to run that wasn't such a loser that they can't even compete against a professional buffoon. :ohno:

Donks set this up because Trump is the only clown in the nation that Hillary has a chance against. :lol:
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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JohnStOnge wrote:Interesting poll result came out. I heard Trump say that a poll came out yesterday showing him essentially even so I checked Realclearpolitics and saw that a Gravis poll had it Clinton by 2 (51-49%). I checked out the details.

When I did I saw that the 51-49% was for a question where there were apparently only two alternatives (Democrat or Republican). But there was another question where there were three choices: Democrat, Republican, or Other. Adding a third alternative increased Clinton's margin from 2 to 5. "Democrat" only dropped by 1 percentage point to 50 while "Republican" dropped by 4 to 45.

http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and- ... l-polling/

Otherwise: The Gravis poll is rated kind of mediocre by 538 (B-) and has historically, on average, been off by 1.1 percentage points in Republicans' favor. In other words it had tended to over estimate how well the Republican candidate is doing.
Perfect for the electronic voting machines. :thumb:
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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More on the Gravis poll thing because I find the thing about the people who would choose "Other" if given a choice interesting.

Only about 5 percent of the 2,197 polled indicated they would move away from either Trump or Clinton if "Other" is presented as an option. But about 80% of that 5 percent were people who said they'd move away from Trump.

That is, in the jargon everyone surely loves, "statistically significant." People in that sample who moved away from the candidate they chose when only two alternatives were available after the "other" option was presented moved away from Trump more frequently than they moved away from Clinton to a "VERY highly significant" degree.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lover.html

I already posted some of this, but there's some more details coming out about HRC.
The Rose Law Firm was once the preeminent firm in Little Rock before the arrival of Hillary Clinton.
During the Whitewater investigation, one of the old-timer partners was asked for his opinion on Hillary.
'That b**** is going to ruin my firm', he answered.
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Hillary was heard calling mentally challenged children 'f*****g ree-tards' and caught on record blurting out the terms 'stupid k**e and 'f***ing Jew b*****d', while Bill called the Reverend Jesse Jackson a 'G**damned n****r'.
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Ibanez wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lover.html

I already posted some of this, but there's some more details coming out about HRC.
The Rose Law Firm was once the preeminent firm in Little Rock before the arrival of Hillary Clinton.
During the Whitewater investigation, one of the old-timer partners was asked for his opinion on Hillary.
'That b**** is going to ruin my firm', he answered.
:lol:
Hillary was heard calling mentally challenged children 'f*****g ree-tards' and caught on record blurting out the terms 'stupid k**e and 'f***ing Jew b*****d', while Bill called the Reverend Jesse Jackson a 'G**damned n****r'.
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She's ALWAYS stood with us. :rofl:

JSO - supporting a racist, bigoted, vengeful...but well groomed...bitch who would call his deaf son names. :nod:

dback and Trip will, of course, say that they think Hillary is an angel who supports their peeps and lifestyles. :rofl:
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Cluck U wrote:
Ibanez wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lover.html

I already posted some of this, but there's some more details coming out about HRC.

:lol:

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
She's ALWAYS stood with us. :rofl:

JSO - supporting a racist, bigoted, vengeful...but well groomed...bitch who would call his deaf son names. :nod:

dback and Trip will, of course, say that they think Hillary is an angel who supports their peeps and lifestyles. :rofl:
Now, I know there are 2 sides to every story. However, the same stories and reports have been coming out since the 70s (and the story doesn't ever change). So, at a certain point you have to believe that all the smoke is indicative of a fire, right?


Her lack of character or any moral fibers aside, what about her health?

1) Persistent cough - Goiter? That'd explain the cough and high collars. I would accept the argument that it has to do with her constant speaking (valid argument) if other candidates were also afflicted by it. But, we haven't seen that problem with other candidates. Note, i'm not saying other candidates don't cough or get dry mouth, but not at the frequency of Clinton.

2) The blood clots. It happens. However, how has it/continues to affect her? Heavy travelling, sitting for long periods of time are not good for someone prone to blood clots. We know, according to other doctors, that she is prone to blood clots (hence the use of blood thinners). When she had the last one, she was out for a month and required special glasses for the double vision and suffered from memory lapse, lack of coordination and concentration. This is a legitimate concern. Will she be able to govern effectively if she's suffering from the pain and discomfort of a blood clot, the associating fainting spells and double vision?

2) Hypothyroidism. This isn't anything to disqualify her.
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Donald J. Trump is parting ways with his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, a move that comes as the presumptive Republican nominee faces challenges as he moves toward the general election.
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Ibanez wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Donald J. Trump is parting ways with his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, a move that comes as the presumptive Republican nominee faces challenges as he moves toward the general election.
Positive?
Negative?

He did get him to this point, but now I'm sure that since Trump wants to project more of a mainstream vibe, he'll get a major player to be his campaign manager.

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DSUrocks07 wrote:
Positive?
Negative?

He did get him to this point, but now I'm sure that since Trump wants to project more of a mainstream vibe, he'll get a major player to be his campaign manager.

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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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More good news, at least for the time being:

Monmouth's A+ rated poll puts Hillary up by an estimated 8 percentage points among "likely voters" based on responses collected entirely after the Orlando event (June 15 - 19):

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 6e76bd.pdf

The headline says Clinton up by 7, but that alludes to another positive thing. The +7 is among "registered voters." In the same sample the margin ticked up slightly among "likely voters" to +8. That is the opposite of what usually happens. Usually, "likely voters" looks better for the Republican than "registered voters" does.

Another plus:
Importantly, Clinton holds a 47% to 39% lead in the all-important swing states – ten states where the winning margin in the 2012 election was less than seven points.
Sure, things can change. But I like it a lot better like this than the other way around right now.

Now if the FBI can just get off the pot and get THAT thing out of the way.

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JohnStOnge wrote:More good news, at least for the time being:

Monmouth's A+ rated poll puts Hillary up by an estimated 8 percentage points among "likely voters" based on responses collected entirely after the Orlando event (June 15 - 19):

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 6e76bd.pdf

The headline says Clinton up by 7, but that alludes to another positive thing. The +7 is among "registered voters." In the same sample the margin ticked up slightly among "likely voters" to +8. That is the opposite of what usually happens. Usually, "likely voters" looks better for the Republican than "registered voters" does.

Another plus:
Importantly, Clinton holds a 47% to 39% lead in the all-important swing states – ten states where the winning margin in the 2012 election was less than seven points.
Sure, things can change. But I like it a lot better like this than the other way around right now.

Now if the FBI can just get off the pot and get THAT thing out of the way.

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With a margin of error, that's not a commanding lead (or it's a very good lead). Were these +/- 3.5?
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JohnStOnge wrote:More good news, at least for the time being:

Monmouth's A+ rated poll puts Hillary up by an estimated 8 percentage points among "likely voters" based on responses collected entirely after the Orlando event (June 15 - 19):

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 6e76bd.pdf

The headline says Clinton up by 7, but that alludes to another positive thing. The +7 is among "registered voters." In the same sample the margin ticked up slightly among "likely voters" to +8. That is the opposite of what usually happens. Usually, "likely voters" looks better for the Republican than "registered voters" does.

Another plus:
Importantly, Clinton holds a 47% to 39% lead in the all-important swing states – ten states where the winning margin in the 2012 election was less than seven points.
Sure, things can change. But I like it a lot better like this than the other way around right now.

Now if the FBI can just get off the pot and get THAT thing out of the way.

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Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:More good news, at least for the time being:

Monmouth's A+ rated poll puts Hillary up by an estimated 8 percentage points among "likely voters" based on responses collected entirely after the Orlando event (June 15 - 19):

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 6e76bd.pdf

The headline says Clinton up by 7, but that alludes to another positive thing. The +7 is among "registered voters." In the same sample the margin ticked up slightly among "likely voters" to +8. That is the opposite of what usually happens. Usually, "likely voters" looks better for the Republican than "registered voters" does.

Another plus:



Sure, things can change. But I like it a lot better like this than the other way around right now.

Now if the FBI can just get off the pot and get THAT thing out of the way.

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Wonder what the progdonks think of this? Are they really going to vote for Hilldog? :lol:

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Pwns wrote:Wonder what the progdonks think of this? Are they really going to vote for Hilldog? :lol:

http://fortune.com/2016/06/20/wall-stre ... th-warren/
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Best campaign ever. Commercials should be epic! Too bad I don't watch TV. Only 4+ months to go. :thumb:
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His poll numbers are sinking. His TV blitz is nowhere to be seen. Big donors aren’t flocking to him.

And if Donald Trump needed more tangible evidence of problems in his campaign, it’s in reports filed Monday at the Federal Election Commission.

As of the end of May, Trump’s campaign account held just $1.3 million compared to Clinton’s $42 million. Ben Carson, whose bid for the GOP nomination ended in early March, had $1.8 million in his campaign fund. Many Republican senators facing tough re-election fights this fall have considerably more money on hand than their party’s presumptive nominee for president.
Clinton’s campaign is capitalizing on the financial disparity. Her campaign now has hundreds of field staffers across the country who are busy organizing voters while Trump’s organization has yet to crack 100 paid employees.
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482853356 ... d-clintons

And he paid $35,000 in advertising to a mystery firm called “Draper Sterling,” which might ring a bell for Mad Men fans and which may or may not actually exist.
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Donald Trump’s presidency would “significantly” weaken the country, driving the U.S. into a “lengthy recession” with nearly 3.5 million job losses and a 7 percent unemployment rate, according to a Moody’s Analytics analysis released Monday.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/t ... sis-224535
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Ivytalk wrote:As if you voted for Edwin Edwards over David Duke. :coffee: :roll:
I was living in Georgia. Didn't vote in that election.
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