Example of the way Trump lies

[Ivytalk]

Courtesy of our friends at Reason.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/trump ... ts-make-cl

[BDKJMU]

Courtesy of our friends at Reason.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/trump ... ts-make-cl

What, no mention by Reason that the judge in the case is a pro illegal immigrant member of La Raza or of the fact that yesterday he ordered documents unsealed (ostensibly in an effort to smear Trump) and then turned around and said that was a mistake, and ordered the documents resealed..You can't "re seal" documents that have already been re leased to the public and are in possession of news organizations. Kangeroo court..

[HI54UNI]

Courtesy of our friends at Reason.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/trump ... ts-make-cl

Anybody dumb enough to enroll in something called Trump University deserves to be parted from their money. Plus if they hadn't wasted it by enrolling they probably would've lost it at Trump Casino or by buying magic beans.

[catbooster]

Courtesy of our friends at Reason.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/trump ... ts-make-cl

Does anyone know to what level Drumpf is/was involved with Trump University? Did he simply let them use his name and record an advertisement (assumed for a large fee), or was he involved in setting it up and managing it? I suspect something in between? In what I've heard so far, I haven't heard exactly what his involvement is.

I'm not trying to defend him. Either way, this is a major negative for him as far as I'm concerned. Although my opinion of him is already low enough that it can't drop too much - but still not quite as low as my opinion of Hillary.

[JohnStOnge]

Update on what our friends at Politifact have right now in terms of fact checking Trump and Hillary:

Trump

Statements rated true or mostly true: 8% (12 of 152)
Statements rated as mostly false, false, or pants on fire: 76% (116 of 152)

Hillary:

Statements rated as true or mostly true: 50% (101 of 202)
Statements rated as mostly false, false, or pants on fire: 29% (59 of 202)

Stuff like that is why I had to shake my head when I heard the audio of this "Hispanics for Trump" video thing Sean Hannity played yesterday. In it some guy says, "he tells us the truth."

No, you idiot. He doesn't. He lies to you on a VERY routine basis.

[Ivytalk]

Courtesy of our friends at Reason.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/trump ... ts-make-cl

What, no mention by Reason that the judge in the case is a pro illegal immigrant member of La Raza or of the fact that yesterday he ordered documents unsealed (ostensibly in an effort to smear Trump) and then turned around and said that was a mistake, and ordered the documents resealed..You can't "re seal" documents that have already been re leased to the public and are in possession of news organizations. Kangeroo court..

Looks like you've drunk the American Spectator Kool-Aid. Based on what I saw of the "confidential" information that was unsealed, it shouldn't have been sealed in the first place. I'm confident that a Delaware court would have permitted a public filing. Just because information about a litigant is harmful doesn't mean that it must be kept out of public view. And if Trump's lawyers are convinced that their client can't get a fair trial with this judge at the helm, they have options.

[JohnStOnge]

What, no mention by Reason that the judge in the case is a pro illegal immigrant member of La Raza or of the fact that yesterday he ordered documents unsealed (ostensibly in an effort to smear Trump) and then turned around and said that was a mistake, and ordered the documents resealed..

If that's stuff you got from Trump and/or his campaign we have no way of knowing if it's true. In fact a good bet would be to bet that it's not because Trump and his campaign lie and or distort as a routine matter.

I wish I could remember the specific thing Trump had said but I can remember seeing that Katrina Pierson woman lie to Alisyn Camerota of CNN. It was something Trump had said and that Person woman said he didn't. Camerota calmly said she had the transcript and read from it so she had Pierson pinned down. Pierson didn't even change her expression but instead immediately moved to some other technique of trying to explain it away.

That was in the morning. Then that very afternoon I saw Pierson on some other news show and she told the same lie again. She'd been caught lying earlier THAT day and had to try to weasel around it but it didn't top her from bald face lying AGAIN when the subject came up. It was amazing. Pretty much nixed the possibility that she didn't know she was lying because she'd been called on it and forced to take another angle earlier that day.

[JohnStOnge]

Ok I looked it up and...shocker...someone is misleading by saying the Judge is a member of La Raza. Actually, I would say they are lying. And I think it's a pretty good bet that the lie originated with the Trump campaign. Lying repeatedly is what it does.

"La Raza" is commonly used to refer to the National Council on La Raza. The Judge is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association. The first hint I got that the two are not the same is in the article at http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/judge ... ers-group/. It's this language:

The National La Raza Council is the largest Hispanic advocacy group in the nation and has taken a strong stance against Trump. They previously called Saturday Night Live a platform for “hate” for inviting on the New York businessman. La Raza translates to “the race” in English.

Though La Raza Lawyers of San Diego is not a local chapter of the national organization and take offense to the literal translation of the organization. “Translating our name as ‘the race’ is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. ‘Hispanic’ is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races,” the group writes on its website.

That looks to say it's not the same. And I confirmed that by looking at language in the article at http://www.vox.com/2016/5/31/11818964/t ... ty-mexican:

Trump and his campaign aren't letting up. Trump spent part of his Memorial Day continuing the attack. And during a CNN interview Monday, campaign spokesperson Katrina Pierson pointed out that Curiel is a member of a group of Latino lawyers in California called the La Raza Lawyers Association.

"This is an organization that has been out there organizing anti-Trump protesters with the Mexican flags," Pierson said (apparently confusing the La Raza Lawyers Association with the National Council on La Raza, which is a different group).

Only thing is Ms. Pierson wasn't confused. She knew damned well she was misleading people. It's what she and the rest of that campaign does on a constant basis.

[JohnStOnge]

Just saw Trump suck up Kayleigh McEnany on CNN saying that Trump did not say he wanted to ban all Muslims from entering the United States. Let's see:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo_nYQ6ItWM[/youtube]

So..."a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States." These people are shameless. He says crap on friggin' TV where it's captured for posterity then later him and his people say he didn't say it.

[JohnStOnge]

Now I'm seeing CNN's Jeffrey Toobin say Trump "apparently confused" the organization the Judge is in with the National La Raza Council. No, Jeffrey. He didn't confuse it. He's intentionally misleading people. It's called being dishonest. Actually, it's lying because he's using the term "La Raza" knowing it will call to mind a different organization. He lies all the time and you need to understand that it's his modus operandi.

[93henfan]

Now I'm seeing CNN's Jeffrey Toobin say Trump "apparently confused" the organization the Judge is in with the National La Raza Council. No, Jeffrey. He didn't confuse it. He's intentionally misleading people. It's called being dishonest. Actually, it's lying because he's using the term "La Raza" knowing it will call to mind a different organization. He lies all the time and you need to understand that it's his modus operandi.

I don't believe anything you say. In fact, I looked you up on Politifact:

StOnge

Statements rated true or mostly true: 7% (10 of 152)
Statements rated as mostly false, false, or pants on fire: 77% (117 of 152)

[BDKJMU]

"La Raza" is commonly used to refer to the National Council on La Raza. The Judge is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association.

So a judge who is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association is ok as long as that organization, that shares the name with the earlier founded, racist Council of La Raza, claims to have nothing to do with the racist Council of La Raza. Got it.

So a judge who was a member of a KKK Lawyers Association would be ok as long as that organization, that shared the name with the earlier founded, racist KKK, claimed to have nothing to do with the racist KKK. Got it.

[JohnStOnge]

You guys are demonstrating the phenomenon I've been describing since early on in this process. Trump supporters have suspended their critical thinking skills. When they see something that calls Trump into question they simply rationalize their way around it. They're not interested in the truth.They are interested in supporting Trump. The "why" of that is still a mystery to me. But the existence of that phenomenon is undeniable.

Saying that the subject lawyers association is part of the National La Raza Council because its name includes the term "La Raza" is like saying something like the Hispanic Lawyer Association is part of the National Hispanic Communist Association because both names have the term "Hispanic" in it. "La Raza" simply refers to ethnicity.

Oh...didn't get to this part of the misinformation campaign yesterday: All that happened with the "re seal" of documents by the judge is that some of the documents were supposed to be redacted to remove personally identifiable information such as home addresses and such (http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the ... led-223783). That is standard. Federal law requires that. You can criticize the Judge or maybe his staff for not doing that as every Federal employee is supposed to know to do that. They get training on how they're not supposed to release documents with personally identifiable information on it without redacting that information. Somebody screwed up and failed to redact the personally identifiable information from those documents. But it's not a big deal in terms of the contents.
And all other things aside it is absolutely certain that Trump was lying when he made the video saying he "hand picked" the instructors (http://gawker.com/donald-trump-admits-i ... 1762982331 or many other sources you can get by Googling it). He was scamming people. If you won't admit that to yourself you are in denial.

So, as I suspected, both aspects of the argument (Judge is member of La Raza and Judge resealed documents) are misinformation efforts. Both are also ad hominem attacks that are irrelevant to the substance of the issue. That's also an approach that has characterized Trump and his campaign from the beginning of Trump's announcement that he is running. Make false statements and engage in ad hominem argument that has no bearing on the substance. That's pretty much the Trump SOP.

[JohnStOnge]

So a judge who is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association is ok as long as that organization, that shares the name with the earlier founded, racist Council of La Raza, claims to have nothing to do with the racist Council of La Raza. Got it.

So a judge who was a member of a KKK Lawyers Association would be ok as long as that organization, that shared the name with the earlier founded, racist KKK, claimed to have nothing to do with the racist KKK. Got it.

As I said in my previous post "La Raza" refers to ethnicity. Assuming that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is part of the National La Raza council because both have "La Raza" in their names is like assuming that the National Black Republican Association is afflilated with the Black Panther Party because they both have "Black" in their name.

The Trump campaign is lying. Again. I don't understand what it is with Trump that causes people to go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting to the truth of what he and his campaign are. They are constantly lying to your face and you keep trying to find excuses for not admitting that they're doing it when you ought to be pissed off that they're lying to you. But maybe at some point you as an individual at least will quit doing that.

[kalm]

So a judge who is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association is ok as long as that organization, that shares the name with the earlier founded, racist Council of La Raza, claims to have nothing to do with the racist Council of La Raza. Got it.

So a judge who was a member of a KKK Lawyers Association would be ok as long as that organization, that shared the name with the earlier founded, racist KKK, claimed to have nothing to do with the racist KKK. Got it.{/quote]

As I said in my previous post "La Raza" refers to ethnicity. Assuming that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is part of the National La Raza council because both have "La Raza" in their names is like assuming that the National Black Republican Association is afflilated with the Black Panther Party because they both have "Black" in their name.

The Trump campaign is lying. Again. I don't understand what it is with Trump that causes people to go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting to the truth of what he and his campaign are. They are constantly lying to your face and you keep trying to find excuses for not admitting that they're doing it when you ought to be pissed off that they're lying to you. But maybe at some point you as an individual at least will quit doing that.

I had to look up La Raza to see how evil they were as my left wing hate group radar has been down lately.

Is the National La Raza council a Mexican KKK or something?

[JohnStOnge]

Why on earth would anybody believe Donald Trump when he says the Judge has not been fair to him? One of the most amazing things going on right now is that there are a lot of people who actually BELIEVE this guy when he makes a claim.

From FactCheck.org:

Businessman Donald Trump has made false and misleading claims in response to attacks on “Trump University,” a now defunct program that offered tips on real estate to paying customers.

You can read the details at http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps ... niversity/. What a shocker. Trump is making false and misleading claims. WHO would expect that from somebody who has set new standards for frequency of false statements since such things have been monitored by Politifact? WHO would expect that from someone who repeatedly lies about stuff he's been friggin' documented on video saying"

Oh, and you might also be interested in reading about the "positive reviews" Trump keeps throwing out as evidence that he's being treated unfairly by the Judge:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/11/trump ... e-reviews/

[JohnStOnge]

Trump given four Pinocchios for his claims on the Judge being unfair to him in the Trump University case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... g-the-law/

What? He's LYING! What a shock. It's not like he lies all the time. Oh that's right: He does lie all the time.

[JohnStOnge]

Politifact update (as of this morning:

Trump

Statements rated as False or Pants on Fire: 60%
Statements rated as True or Mostly True: 9%


Clinton

Statements rated as False or Pants on Fire: 13%
Statements rated as True or Mostly True: 50%

[JohnStOnge]

Here we go again. Below is a video of Trump saying it would've been good if someone in the Pulse nightclub had had a gun. Apparently he figured out it didn't help him. So now he and his surrogates are saying he was saying clubs should have security guards who have guns. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-additio/ Do you buy that crap?

The guy is SO full of shit.

Oh...BTW...Pulse did have a security guard with a gun and he tried to engage the killer.

SO full of shit. Yeah right. He was talking about having security guards with guns. "Some of those great people" meant "security guards." What a load of bullshit.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEiBPdH-LDM[/youtube]

[CID1990]

Here we go again. Below is a video of Trump saying it would've been good if someone in the Pulse nightclub had had a gun. Apparently he figured out it didn't help him. So now he and his surrogates are saying he was saying clubs should have security guards who have guns. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-additio/ Do you buy that crap?

The guy is SO full of ****.

Oh...BTW...Pulse did have a security guard with a gun and he tried to engage the killer.

SO full of ****. Yeah right. He was talking about having security guards with guns. "Some of those great people" meant "security guards." What a load of bullshit.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEiBPdH-LDM[/youtube]

Trump is full of crap but you and your new friends in the media are being misleading.

Pulse did not have an armed security guard. There was an off duty OPD officer working the security detail, and he was not inside the club. He responded to a call of shots fired (which any cop can tell you means that he was sitting in his car somewhere else) and then he got into a shootout with the bad guy at the front of the club, which caused the bad guy to retreat further inside and barricade himself with hostages.

The whole story isn't out yet but I'm willing to go in 80% already that this off duty OPD officer did not arrive and engage the shooter until most of the 49 we already dead or dying. I've worked a million of those details if I've worked one, and that officer was just the first responder- he wasn't in any position to surprise the shooter.

[YoUDeeMan]

Here we go again. Below is a video of Trump saying it would've been good if someone in the Pulse nightclub had had a gun. Apparently he figured out it didn't help him. So now he and his surrogates are saying he was saying clubs should have security guards who have guns. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-additio/ Do you buy that crap?

The guy is SO full of ****.

Oh...BTW...Pulse did have a security guard with a gun and he tried to engage the killer.

SO full of ****. Yeah right. He was talking about having security guards with guns. "Some of those great people" meant "security guards." What a load of bullshit.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEiBPdH-LDM[/youtube]

Trump is full of crap but you and your new friends in the media are being misleading.

Pulse did not have an armed security guard. There was an off duty OPD officer working the security detail, and he was not inside the club. He responded to a call of shots fired (which any cop can tell you means that he was sitting in his car somewhere else) and then he got into a shootout with the bad guy at the front of the club, which caused the bad guy to retreat further inside and barricade himself with hostages.

The whole story isn't out yet but I'm willing to go in 80% already that this off duty OPD officer did not arrive and engage the shooter until most of the 49 we already dead or dying. I've worked a million of those details if I've worked one, and that officer was just the first responder- he wasn't in any position to surprise the shooter.

JSO trying make a case out of nothing.

And let's not forget...some people go to clubs and do not drink much...or don't drink at all.

What if 5 or 10 of them had guns and had a clear shot at the perp early in the event?

Instead, a whole bunch of folks make the assumption that the people carrying guns would have been drunk off their ass, incapable of holding their liquor, and shooting bullets everywhere. What a load of bigoted crap.

[Pwns]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of- ... re_twitter

Trump doesn't even have enough money to run a modern congressional campaign, let alone a presidential campaign, and a lot of his money is going to his businesses. WAFJ. Dump this idiot no matter brazen you have to be in changing the convention rules.

[Ivytalk]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of- ... re_twitter

Trump doesn't even have enough money to run a modern congressional campaign, let alone a presidential campaign, and a lot of his money is going to his businesses. WAFJ. Dump this idiot no matter brazen you have to be in changing the convention rules.

We have to give Pwns a "most electable poster" nomination for some state somewhere.

[Skjellyfetti]

Pulse did not have an armed security guard. There was an off duty OPD officer working the security detail, and he was not inside the club. He responded to a call of shots fired (which any cop can tell you means that he was sitting in his car somewhere else) and then he got into a shootout with the bad guy at the front of the club, which caused the bad guy to retreat further inside and barricade himself with hostages.

The whole story isn't out yet but I'm willing to go in 80% already that this off duty OPD officer did not arrive and engage the shooter until most of the 49 we already dead or dying. I've worked a million of those details if I've worked one, and that officer was just the first responder- he wasn't in any position to surprise the shooter.

The off duty police officer was steps from the entrance dealing with a fake ID perp when the shots began. And he tried to engage the shooter almost immediately before realizing he was outgunned and calling for backup.

He wasn't sitting in his cop car eating donuts (though, "any cop can tell you" that )

[CID1990]

Pulse did not have an armed security guard. There was an off duty OPD officer working the security detail, and he was not inside the club. He responded to a call of shots fired (which any cop can tell you means that he was sitting in his car somewhere else) and then he got into a shootout with the bad guy at the front of the club, which caused the bad guy to retreat further inside and barricade himself with hostages.

The whole story isn't out yet but I'm willing to go in 80% already that this off duty OPD officer did not arrive and engage the shooter until most of the 49 we already dead or dying. I've worked a million of those details if I've worked one, and that officer was just the first responder- he wasn't in any position to surprise the shooter.

The off duty police officer was steps from the entrance dealing with a fake ID perp when the shots began. And he tried to engage the shooter almost immediately before realizing he was outgunned and calling for backup.

He wasn't sitting in his cop car eating donuts (though, "any cop can tell you" that )

We'll see- since the first reports were verbatim that he "responded to a report of shots fired...."

That's not consistent at all with your description- but Im sure we'll get a detailed graphic soon from CNN -

showing how many of those 49 were already dead or dying before Roscoe Right Outside The Door engaged him



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